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Why Don't They Shoot The Looters!  
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

The U.S. has really dropped the ball on this looting issue. If the order had been given early on to shoot any looters, the U.S. standing would be much higher. Even the other Arab countries would not have said a word against it - it is standard procedure in times like this, everywhere in the world, for centuries. 2 or 3 looters get themselves shot, and everybody else quickly calms down.

Now that the U.S. forces have allowed this to go on for 2 whole days, the Iraqis have probably lost all respect for the Americans, both looters and non-looters alike. Respect for the U.S. by other Arabs (however grudgingly given) has also been damaged by the refusal to stomp out this looting early.

That said, I am shocked at the incredible behaviour of the Iraqis. Looting a hospital, and whatever they could not carry off, they burned! Their own f&cking hospital!!! They need it!



Charles



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

I agree, BUT, what to you think the outcry would be if the Soldiers started popping looters? I can't even imagine the backlash.....

User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

"the Iraqis have probably lost all respect for the Americans, both looters and non-looters alike."
The Iraqis ARE the looters. This doesn't surprise me one bit. My experience with Arabs is that many of them will steal anything that isn't bolted down. Watch the news, many are taking equipment from hospitals, when they haven't the slightest clue what it is. But maybe they can trade or sell it to someone else. Now, I'm against generalizations, but theft is FAR more common, and accepted as part of daily life by the Arabs I have known.
As for the Americans, they are fighting a war! They can't stop and turn into policemen all of a sudden. Their own security, and the military aims they have set out to accomplish are far more important than stopping the Iraqis from stealing from one another.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

So the Iraqi's have poor behavior and it's the Americans fault?

I can see it now, Al-Jazeera showing pictures of U.S. soldiers killing Iraqi civilians as they carry a T.V.





"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

This doesn't surprise me one bit. My experience with Arabs is that many of them will steal anything that isn't bolted down

Yeah, just like stupid black people. But hey, they make good athletes, the monkey-boys.

 Insane


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

They have done! 5 people killed for robbing a bank:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=564&e=17&u=/nm/20030411/ts_nm/iraq_basra_robbers_dc_3

DC-10


User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

It is important to note that they were not policing looters, but rather the looters fired on the British first. As the article states, the Americans have no plans to police the Iraqis.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

KROC,

Like I said, I don't think they would complain. Looting is commonplace whenever there is a disruption of civil services, and an order to shoot looters is the only time-proven way to stop it.

At first, the looting was probably limited, but as soon as they saw that the Americans were not interested in doing anything about it, they "went to town". Had themessage been conveyed early that looting would not be tolerated, the damage would have been very limited, and nobody would have complained.

Avt007,

Only some Iraqis are the looters. According to reports, most people are staying in their homes to make sure that they don't get looted.

Clipper,

The looters have reached depths of bad behaviour rarely before reached. I mean, looting and burning their own hospitals and schools, which they will need! So most of the blame goes to them, but the Americans have not acted appropriately, as required of them by the Geneva Conventions, to keep order and prevent pillage.

Charles


User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

So how many troops are going to be needed to patrol and police a city of 5 million people? And how many of those would have to speak Arabic? It is not a practical consideration right now, there is still fighting going on.

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Perhaps we can get some patriots in a pickup truck to douse water on them to the tune of "I'm proud to be an American". That's what we do to the "lawbreakers" stateside.

User currently offlineAtenara From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1504 times:


Let them loot the city! kill saddam! kill uday! kill qusay! kill everyone!
ordinary impovorished iraqis should thresher this moment forever!


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

I have to say that I agree to some extent with Charles' post.
The Saddam regime was tyrannical and brutal but maintained order in Iraq; now it has collapsed absolutely and the country is under total anarchy, there is no police, nothing to prevent widespread looting, vendettas, etc.

And apart than criticising the incredible behaviour of the Iraqis, think for moment what would happen if the NYPD, National Guard and all the order corps disappeared suddenly, like it just happened in Bagdad, don't you think you would see the same stuff in Wall Street and Park Avenue???


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

"And apart than criticising the incredible behaviour of the Iraqis, think for moment what would happen if the NYPD, National Guard and all the order corps disappeared suddenly, like it just happened in Bagdad, don't you think you would see the same stuff in Wall Street and Park Avenue???"

They have:

Los Angeles riots and looting after the Rodney King trial.

And the looting in Florida after hurricane Andrew.

About the topic:

I heard on CNN that the Pentagon was asking other countries to donate police forces to restore order in Iraq. Do they mean other Arab countries or anybody? If it's the latter I think Canada should step in, we're good at peacekeeping.

Kris
YYC



Word
User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Chretien has mentioned the possibility of the RCMP going to Iraq.

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

The German police has helping training and equipping post-war polices in Macedonia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, and donated them old equipment. I think if we can help the Iraqi people now, we should take action. On the other hand, Bush probably doesn't want us there.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

"Why Don't They Shoot The Looters!"

Because the people doing the looting are not all criminals, the looting started at Government buildings and houses belonging to BATH party members.

The people doing the looting are average Iraqi civilians who started looting to express their relief and joy of their Freedom and their anger and frustration of the at the Former regime.

However the looting has now reached the point where it has become criminal, so the US should address this as soon as possible.

Problem is that the US is still getting resistance from pockets of fighters most of which are outsiders (Syrians, Palestinians, Pakistanis) that have no place to go, so they are fighting to the death.

When the British took Basra there was wide spread looting, it took a couple days but they got it under control.

People it's only been two DAYS!

Give them a chance!

If the looting is still rampant by Tuesday or Wednesday then they are neglicting them, but right now the most important thing is to wipe out the last of the fighters.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1428 times:

I would imagine that most U.S. soldiers lack the police-style training needed to stop civil disobedieance. Sure, they could open fire on the looters, but that would be a public relations disaster.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Rather than arguing about what is going on, why not discuss why this wasn't planned for. After all, they knew it was going to happen.

Or they should have.



ADG


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

It's not the US military's role to stop looting per se.

Although looting of course does not reflect well on Iraqi societal values, given the sheer scale of it.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

PROSA.

Generally speaking only the National Guard gets any sort of riot training. This is because of their use by the governers of various states as an emergency augmentation to the police.

As far as shooting the looters.

Al Jazeera and the other reporters of fiction would have a field day bashing the US if that where to start happening.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

It`s ironic that many people didn`t care if the Iraqis killed each other, but looting? That's just going too far!  Big grin

User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

I have finished watching both CNN and BBC World and I have never seen such biased reporting.They kept on going for the need of security unitl the cows and they blaming the coalition for it.They never mentioned that there are still pockets of resistence and a threat from suicide bombers.Also they are building it up to seem that the coalition has lost total control of the stituation-and its only been about 3 days since Baghdad has fallen!All they seem to do is build the coalition up(before the war),bring it down(when they ran into stiff resistance),bring them up again when Baghdad fell and now bring them down because impoverished Iraqis are looting.

Just a few minutes ago,BBC World conducted an interview with an MP from the UK Parlimentary Human Rights Comittee, an Oxfam Spokesman,a US CENTCOM spokeman and a UN aid spokeswoman(she was french,more on that later). So anyway the presenter asked the UN person about what they aimed to do in terms of aid when security was restored and instead what did she do?She started going on about how bad the security was without even mentioneing the aid.The the presenter had to stop her and told her to stop going on about the politics involved and just answer the question,but she still went on about how bad the security was.

Same with the oxfam person.When asked what oxfam was going to do,he went on like the UN aid rep about how bad the security is and even said this and I quote "Its harder to distribute water than to liberate Iraq".

Thankfully the UK MP gave a decent response.She said that the coalition still needed time given the current situation and that the Iraqi people whom after years of surpression would take their fustration out on government buildings,but she said the looting of hospitals was worrying though.Finally she was asked about who would pay for the Iraqi reconstruction and she said the usual about the IMF and the World Bank etc...and I quote again.."It woud be nice if France,Russia and Germany could cancel the debt that Iraq owes them.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Sure looters been shot by allied troops, mostly for driving like crazy. The allies
first priority is safety, property of Iraq isn´t important at all.
Still a war going on, the show down in Tikrit will be the end of the Tikrit mobsters era...


User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 714 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

I know it is not right wha they do. But that one guy who nikked a bus and towed a speedboat behind it without a trailer made me piss myself.


"You should have gone to specsavers"
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

The Iraqis ARE the looters. This doesn't surprise me one bit. My experience with Arabs is that many of them will steal anything that isn't bolted down. Watch the news, many are taking equipment from hospitals, when they haven't the slightest clue what it is. But maybe they can trade or sell it to someone else. Now, I'm against generalizations, but theft is FAR more common, and accepted as part of daily life by the Arabs I have known.
As for the Americans, they are fighting a war! They can't stop and turn into policemen all of a sudden. Their own security, and the military aims they have set out to accomplish are far more important than stopping the Iraqis from stealing from one another.


Please explain...........does this apply to kikes, nigger and spicks too?



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
25 Airplay : It's not the US military's role to stop looting per se. That's like saying a mother and father isn't responsible for raising a child. We must all deal
26 Yyz717 : That's like saying a mother and father isn't responsible for raising a child. Iraqi adults are grown men & women responsible for their own actions. If
27 Airplay : Iraqi adults are grown men & women responsible for their own actions. If they choose willingly to loot, that's their call. There are no police. There
28 Yyz717 : There was an existing police force in Iraq. Where is it now? Probably looting also.
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