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Germany Candidate For Olympia 2012  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 987 times:

Today the decision is taken which German city will run for Olympia 2012.

What do you think, which city has the best chances, and which city is best-known world-wide?

The candidates are:

Düsseldurf/Rhein-Ruhr region
Frankfurt
Hamburg
Leipzig
Stuttgart

I'd say the best-known city is Hamburg, and the least-known city is Leipzig.


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 963 times:

Funny thought that Leipzig is becoming our official candidate! Big grin

I spend several months in Leipzig during the work on my thesis, and I can attest that it is one of the most vibrant and beautiful cities in Germany. People there are really, really nice and welcoming despite their rather funny accent. Big grin
A friend of mine is working for Leipzigs urban planning department and he told me that Leipzig's Olympia application team was really minimal, so it is even greater that they have succeded!

One the other hand -
from an internation standpoint, I guess it would have made more sense to choose Hamburg, because who really knows Leipzig outside of - well - Germany?

But then, who knew Sapporo, Lake Placid, Albertville or Lillehammer? Seems like Olympic games in smaller cities often have much more atmosphere than in the large urban areas.

So despite living in a competing area - Duesseldorf Rhein-Ruhr was also applying for the games, - I keep my fingers crossed for Leipzig. The city and their people certainly deserve to succeed.

 Smile


[Edited 2003-04-12 18:28:52]


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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 957 times:

All the cities you mentioned got winter games, and for winter sports fan these places are well-known.

Now we are just wasting our money on a candidate without any chance. Paris, London, New York ....Leipzig? Come on. There are easier ways tp throw money out of the window. But well, Aufbau Ost, who cares about the 60.000.000 in the west...


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Hmm, like I said, from an international point of view, Hamburg would have been the better choice.

Don't be so bitter, Racko, we all know that the decision about Olympic cities is based on a lot more factors than just the international profile. We can still spend some money on the inevitable bribes for the members of the Olympic Comittee. Our "Aufbau Ost" money at work... Big grin

Oh wait, now I am sounding bitter!  Big grin



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16368 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 947 times:

What about Berlin?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7443 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 942 times:
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Please let it be Dusseldorf (vested interest...know someone living/working in the city!).

David


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 939 times:

 Crying  Crying  Crying
I hope this thread will still be alive tomorrow, because right now I am just too much of a wreck.

It seems like a bad joke, Rostock and Leipzig ...beautiful cities no doubt, but certainly not a league with Hamburg or Düsseldorf let alone New York, Toronto, etc.

This was a political descision and an unfortunate one. After 14 years of "Aufbau Ost" even more money will flow uncontrolled into the east...

...didn´t I say I was gonna comment tomorrow?

Stratofish



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 926 times:

Berlin didn't run for Olympia, they ran for the 2000 games and seemed like the sure winner just 2 years after the reunification, however their proposal was horrible and Sidney got the games.

Leipzig and Rostock...I still can't believe it.


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 926 times:

@ Racko & Stratofish

neither Hamburg nor Dusseldorf are in a league with NYC, Toronto or Madrid. They might think they are, but this is certainly not the case. Can you tell me why a saturated city like Dusseldorf or Hamburg needs Olympia? As a nice diversion for the people who spend their money in the 1000€+ stores with the golden-frames-windows @ the Kö or the Aussenalster? Those two regions belong to the richest metropolitan areas in Europe - so why do they need it? To recite Wolfgang Tiefensee, mayor of Leipzig: if one sees the change Leipzig went through between 1989 and 2003, one can only be amazed about the idea what is possible until 2012.

And if you, Racko, would put off your pink glasses for just a minute, you would recognize that the economical situation still is in such a different shape in the East and West, that a continued Aufbau Ost ist very much needed. Merging the need for Aufbau Ost with the need to invest into Olympia is a great chance. Ahh right, the money would be spent much better to enable Hamburg to build a completely new quarter, right? Concluding: Your bad mood might be an explanation, but it ain't an excuse for sounding like a 70-year old (no matter if east or west, those are the people with the largest prejustices) And yes, we also pay the Solidaritätsbeitrag.

@Yyz717

Berlin was an embarassing candidate for Olympia 2000, additionally the city is bankrupt, not the best conditions for a candidature.

And about the international name recognition - this is about Sport, right? Not about the largest Airport or something like that. Fact is that until 1991 (when it was merged into the University) Leipzig had the DHFK, one of the most important sports academy's worldwide. Thousands of athletics studied there. Two of these former athletics are the current president of the FIVB (?), the world Volleyball Federation or the president of the nat'l Olympic comitee of South Africa (those are just 2 examples) - both have already expressed the full support of their organisations for Leipzig.

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 924 times:

@ Racko

Can you please tell me what is so much better or more known about Luebeck or Kiel compared to Rostock?


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 899 times:

Well nobody says that "Laibzsch" is in the same league as NY or Madrid, but that's not the point. First of all, the members of IOC are all pretty educated people (most of them corrupt a$$holes of the first order but educated nonetheless), so they should remember what Leipzig did: The complety non-violent downfall of the GDR originated there and this still is a historic event of the very highest importance in world policy of the last 50 years.
Furthermore the Leipzigers supported their city like crazy in this run, and I remember just too well the way Berlin did it for the 2000 games...it was so embarrassing that I denied to be a Berliner for quite some time.
Hamburg and Duesseldorf I believe disqualified themselves because of the ongoing quarrels about behind closed-door deals. Stuttgart and Frankfurt are indeed too small to really succeed, though I have to admit, no other city has such a great track record organising big sports events as Stuttgart (Athletics European and World Championships etc).



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Well, whoever gets it, let's just hope it's not the USA. They have it too often. The IOC has never alotted a city in africa or the middle-east to host the games. I say it's about time the underdog has the games rather than the US...AGAIN.

QANTASFOREVER

P.S: Of course if no one can decide, Sydney would be glad to host the olympics again Big grin


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Racko, I agree with you.
It's a total waste of money to support Leipzig now, as they'll not have the slightest chance in Singapore 2005.
New York, Paris, London, Moscow, Madrid, Rio, Leipzig.
Yeah great, the money could be needed elsewhere ( for example in our economy)


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 876 times:

Hamburg is nice, but I always consider Frankfurt to be synonimous (sp?) with Germany (probably because of IAH-FRA on LH). But I'm guessing alot of the German cities will have a piece of the Olympic pie, in terms of events.

Can anyone enlighten me on the negatives for Frankfurt? I'm guessing it's the leading business center in Germany...



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User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 869 times:

@ Andreas

"Hamburg and Duesseldorf I believe disqualified themselves because of the ongoing quarrels about behind closed-door deals."

I guess that fact is a big reason why LE won. While Leipzig was always the first, I guess nobody of the Dusseldorf supporters gave their votes to Hamburg in the final ballot.

@ Homer71

"Can anyone enlighten me on the negatives for Frankfurt?"

well, not the best concept, a weak presentation exceeding the time limit (imho very unprofessional), an airport that is already now @ it's limits, and finally a lot of (some even militant) groups against olympics in Frankfurt.

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 869 times:

Leipzig won because they played the "Mauerfall" (Fall of the Berlin wall) card very well. Their presentation showed the pictures of the beginning of the Montag protests in Leipzig to that very famous night when the people climbed on the wall and started to tear it down. These pictures move everybody in Germany, including me, and make everybody very proud about what was achieved. But those pictures won't help in the international decision, hardly anybody outside the world knows where the end of the GDR started. And even if they knew, it doesn't really have anything to do with sport. For them, Leipzig is just some small 500.000 inhabitants city competing with the likes of New York, Moscow, Paris, London, Rome, Madrid and so on. Sure, Atlanta might have even less inhabitants, but it's famous due to its airport.

Frankfurt's problem is that isn't as high regarded in Germany as it is in the world. What in hell prevented them to vote for Hamburg is beyond me, it's one of the most beautiful cities in Germany and it's world-wide known.

"Can you please tell me what is so much better or more known about Luebeck or Kiel compared to Rostock?"

Ever heard about the Kieler Woche? Dazeflight, I have no doubts that the Aufbau Ost is needed and I support it. But with the Olympia candidate, I want to get Olympia in this country, nothing else. Sure, Hamburg might be a rich city, but that usually is a condition for a city to be famous.

To all the non-German members on here: Have you ever heard about a city called "Leipzig"?


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 847 times:

hehe:



User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 840 times:

@ Racko:

"For them, Leipzig is just some small 500.000 inhabitants city competing with the likes of New York, Moscow, Paris, London, Rome, Madrid and so on. Sure, Atlanta might have even less inhabitants, but it's famous due to its airport."

Well, you shouldn't forget that thousands of functionarys, trainers, athletes and so on have studied @ the DHfK in Leipzig, one of the best-regarded sport-universitys worldwide. 15 of 126 (?) members of the IOC board have studied here, much more had contact with the DHfK over the years. Additionally, I have read a few weeks ago that in Japan, Leipzig is the thirdmost known german city, I guess due to Bach, Goethe, Schiller or Mendelsson.

What I am against are those quick opinions that pop out everwhere that nobody outside germany knows Leipzig, and that it has no weight sportwise - just because we haven't been in an UEFA Cup final since 1987. If just the 2nd worldwar had been prevented - maybe LE still would be Germany's second or third city.

"Frankfurt's problem is that isn't as high regarded in Germany as it is in the world."

while Frankfurt is a very international city, I guess Olympia there would be like in a can of sardines. If you just look @ how near to capacity the infrastructure is...

"What in hell prevented them to vote for Hamburg is beyond me, it's one of the most beautiful cities in Germany and it's world-wide known. "

like I said above, I believe the "Scharmützel" with Dusseldorf did cost a lot of sympathy and votes.

"Ever heard about the Kieler Woche?"

Ever heard about the HanseSail? While I understand your opinion about LE to a certain extent, I definitely do not understand what your problem with Rostock is. It is the more beautiful and larger city, it also has experience with large sailing competitions, it has an airport useable for jets etc. etc.

"Dazeflight, I have no doubts that the Aufbau Ost is needed and I support it.

I'm sorry then, but your earlier posts sounded different. I guess I have misunderstood you.

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7443 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 831 times:
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It doesn't matter about the sporting prowess of Leipzig. It's how many 5 star hotels, how many theatres + other cultural building, how many "big name" stores and having an "international" airport. Just quoting what the heard of the IOC said about Manchester's attempt to re-enter into the race for the right to be the British bid for the 2008 Olympics but they want the laughable bid from London. Therefore, the IOC will hold it against Germany for not choosing Frankfurt no matter if it's not the most suitable candidate!

David


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