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Where Are All The Armchair Generals Now?  
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

good article to read here, makes some good points about those doomsayers and doubters.

Freedom’s Bell & Iraq’s Smoking Guns
Naysayers have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

By Mansoor Ijaz



On day one of the campaign to liberate Iraq, armchair generals criticized the Bush administration's war planners for not thundering away with their "Shock and Awe" smart bombing of Baghdad, as originally planned. A week later, there weren't enough ground troops to storm the ancient metropolis, said the Monday-morning quarterbacks, citing the initial technical difficulties Coalition troops encountered in taking over Basra and Umm Qasr.

Then, as the campaign entered week three, the Al Jazeera crowd chimed in, desperately counting on Coalition losses to redeem their wounded pride. They warned that the American-led effort to disarm Iraq and remove Saddam would ignite the fires of Arab nationalism — or worse, violent Islamist extremism — for decades to come. One hundred bin Ladens would be born, warned Egypt's Hosni Mubarak.

Then, Monday morning, April 8, came. Soon, Baghdad would fall more swiftly and with less civilian loss of life than any prognosticator could have imagined. It essentially imploded from within like our military planners said it would. To quote Brian Burridge, commander of U.K. forces, from the British military press briefing on that sunny morning, the execution of the Coalition war plan would be a required case study at war colleges for decades to come and would be noted for "…the dexterity, audacity and sheer brilliance of how the U.S. put its plan into effect…"

George W. Bush's compassionate conservatism is now indelibly imprinted on his war ethic — America has proven it can conduct a politically correct, yet militarily precise war against a foe that by all counts had the mendacity and weaponry to draw Iraq and its citizens into Saddam's final hellfire.

Though there was never any doubt about the ultimate outcome of the war to liberate Iraq, it is worth recounting what has been achieved thus far. The naysayers, including some of America's most decorated military commanders and political leaders, should understand once and for all why this war had to be fought, and how ridding the world of the most dangerous threat mankind has possibly ever faced was necessary to insure he couldn't distribute Iraq's weapons of mass terror through networks of Islamist lunatics willing to martyr themselves.

The evidence of Saddam's maniacal plans becomes clearer by the hour, but a few findings merit discussion now because the naysayers continue to bluster about the rationale behind America's decision to proceed.

1. Weapons-grade plutonium. At the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex, which Mohammed El Baradei's International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors declared free of unsecured nuclear materials late last year, an embedded journalist for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported on Thursday that Marine battalions had detected weapons-grade plutonium. Al Tuwaitha was an Iraqi government-controlled facility run by Saddam's Atomic Energy Commission. A maze of belowground hallways leading to labs and storage facilities underscored the lengths to which Saddam's scientists had gone in order to hide their clandestine activities. And not one or two buildings, but fourteen — count them, 14 — buildings had abnormally high radiation levels, according to the US 1st Marine Division's nuclear and intelligence experts unearthing the secrets. If it is confirmed that weapons-grade plutonium exists at Tuwaitha, those who gave Saddam either the reactor technology and chemicals to reprocess spent uranium or transferred weapons-grade plutonium directly to Iraq will have a lot to answer for.

2. Biological weapons. Fox News' embedded reporter, Rick Leventhal, downloaded incredible video of what may be the first of Saddam's bioweapons labs on wheels. He reported that in a U-Haul-sized truck disguised as a radar facility for mobile surface-to-air missiles, a false panel revealed electronic pulleys, winches, storage bins, and refrigerators which could easily be used to store biological-weapons stashes (refrigeration being the key identifier because you certainly don't need refrigerators to freeze the rocket launcher). Tests will determine definitively whether there are any biological residues or not. But when a truck is found at a construction site hidden amid other trucks and construction equipment, and then tries to high tail it out of camp before it gets found out and then shot out by alert U.S. Marines, it is a sure sign that someone powerful wanted to hide this truck, and maybe its sisters, at all cost.

3. Chemical warheads. The 1st Marine Division with the 101st Airborne reports the seizure of 20 medium-range rockets armed with sarin and mustard gas that were ready to fire — not stored away, not unassembled, but ready to fire. And the amounts of chemicals found in the warheads of the BM-21 missiles left no doubt about their intended use — to kill masses of Coalition troops. These were not trace amounts.

4. Al Qaeda links. In the north, Coalition troops found paperwork early in the campaign after bombing the Sargat camp that indisputably tied the terrorists of Ansar al-Islam, a terrorist outfit funded in part by Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence directorate and in part by Iran's SAVAK intelligence services, to al Qaeda. Sargat was operated by Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a known close associate of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, and was residence to over 700 terrorists, about a fourth of whom trained in bin Laden's Afghani terror camps. Zarqawi and his henchmen are now believed to be hiding in Ansar camps just on the Iranian side of the border.

5. Terror toxins. The paper trail may only be the tip of the iceberg. Mobile-lab tests conducted on boots and running shoes found in the bombed Sargat camp showed meaningful traces of Ricin and botulinum toxins. Similar trace amounts of chemical agents allegedly found in soil samples were used to justify the Clinton administration's August 1998 decision to launch cruise missile attacks on Sudan's al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant. Traces of Ricin, it might be recalled, were found in terrorist hideouts in London and Paris, and then later in Barcelona and Milan, where Algerian terrorists tied to al Qaeda and answering to Zarqawi were readying retaliation strikes against Europe's civilian populations. Ingesting miniscule amounts of Ricin, which induces respiratory failure, can kill within 72 hours. There is no known cure.

6. Salman Pak. Media outlets and U.S. officials who once had responsibility for America's national security have long ridiculed claims that Saddam had any ties to the hijackers of September 11, or that his secular identity could ever commingle with radical Islamists like bin Laden. The paperwork and presence of recipe books to mix Ricin and other toxic nerve agents, as well as traces of the agents themselves, at the Sargat camp in northern Iraq lay to rest the Saddam-bin Laden commingling issue. So did the capture of Sudanese, Egyptian, Yemeni, Syrian, and other Arabs with ties to al Qaeda fighting along Saddam's Fedayeen kamikaze forces. But the hijackers were another matter — until this weekend, when Coalition forces destroyed the Salman Pak terror camp on Sunday morning. They found an airplane shell at the Salman Pak terror camps, just like former CIA Director James Woolsey and ex-Clinton aide Laurie Mylroie had postulated repeatedly since the mid-1990s there was. Interviews conducted by PBS's Frontline in June 2002 of Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi army, indicate that he personally witnessed men of Arab descent, mainly Yemeni, with long beards training in the hull of the 707 aircraft, and on trains and buses in the same fields specifically for hijacking missions using knives and other common utensils.

What else is there? What else matters? The doubters no longer have a shred of evidence to support their case against forcefully removing Saddam Hussein from power.

Democracies exist to encourage vibrant debate about the issues that affect all our lives. But the Islamist threat, with legions of fanatics willing to give their lives at any cost to destroy our way of life, is no ordinary debate. It is one in which the naysayers better get on board fast because those who understand Islam's lunatic fringe, and how its sinister designs could co-opt even a sadomasochist like Saddam, cannot indefinitely carry the weight of those who don't, but still want to enjoy the freedoms our brave men and women are fighting, and dying, to protect.

As we endeavor to win the peace in Iraq and beyond, let's hope the doubters will come up with more constructive arguments to help rather than hinder the course the U.S. has rightly charted for the safety and security of the American people, and for peace-loving people throughout the world




"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

As we endeavor to win the peace in Iraq and beyond, let's hope the doubters will come up with more constructive arguments to help rather than hinder the course the U.S. has rightly charted for the safety and security of the American people, and for peace-loving people throughout the world


A little early in the game for such a declaration don't you think?


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5053 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Some people still don't get it. This is ONLY THE BEGINNING! This was the easy part, the walk in the park. The hard part begins from here on. Keeping the coutry from falling apart, starting and MAINTAINING democracy, and facing the possible retaliation from terrorist organisations.

btw, double post, suggesting deltion:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/375182/

[Edited 2003-04-12 19:12:56]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

I agree with Scorpio. If there's anyone ,besides our own Minister of Disinformation-Indianguy-who didn't think the actual combat would be very one-sided, I haven't met them, be they for or against the war.

Bush's presidency may not hang on the actual combat, but on what happens now, now that the combat is all but over. If, in a years' time, Iraq is still in utter chaos, he's in deep shit, especially if the ecnonmy is stull fumbling as well.

If, however, things are progressing nicely in Iraq-and the country WILL NOT be transformed over night, mind you-then Bush will have some vindication.

This whole thing is LONG from being over.


User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2853 times:


I think the armchair Generals are hiding in some place.

They are in most cases American generals.

They are now saying:

"I don't even know the guys that have written the current plans"

"We are not Americans"

"The plan wasn't even designed by Gen. Franks"

"There is no possibility such an absurd attack and occupation plan could ever come from the head of an American general"

Yesterday, I saw Mr. Rumsfeld (Yuck - knock on wood) in state of complete hysteria, out of control, claiming that we are watching the same vase, being stolen again and again and again. FORGETING THAT FOR EACH VASE ON TV THERE WERE COUNTLESS STOLLEN WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF A TV CAMERA.

claiming that when a country goes from a dictatorship to a democracy, it is normal to see what we are seeing on TV.

I come from a country that lived under a US supported and financed dictatorship for 48 years. In 1974, the Portuguese, decided that too much was too much and the government was overthrown. It Is called a revolution. It was a military operation.

I have not seen anything that could even slightly resemble the sad show the US troops are giving us.

In many places, Mr. Rumsfeld looked like an hysteric lunatic, in other places like my country, he was seen as a common liar.

How could the Generals say something.
America is a country ready for war, but hill prepared to arrange peace.
The generals in this shameful circumstances are irrelevant.
They have not wargamed for this.

It's time to say, America... We told you so!


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Yes Galaxy, fear and anarchy, that's what the people of Iraq always wanted. The fact that oil sources are guarded but hospitals, police stations, stores or museums aren't shows something about the prioritys of your beloved country. Nobody doubted that the USA would win, but just like Scorpio said - this is only the beginning. You can't imagine how much unneeded and evitable hate has been created in North Africa or the ME during the past weeks and sooner or later this will fall back on you...

And yes, what about your goals? Where is Saddam and where are the unconventional weapons?

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

And yes, what about your goals? Where is Saddam and where are the unconventional weapons?
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Well a lot of them can now be found on the front page of cnn, as it is now official that they have found nerve gas on missiles, and apparently are now beeing led to more chemicals by the guy who took them to first haul....

Jeremy


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