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Let's Not Forget Israel....  
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

With all this attention on Iraq, Israel seems to be enjoying being out of the spotlight as they continue to terrorize and murder Palestinians.

Yesterday, they opened fire on a cemetary in Palestininan territory in search of (they say) criminals. A peace activist got shot in the head while shielding some children from the bullets.

Of course I couldn't find a link on CNN. It might be there but I couldn't find it. Not exactly front page news I guess. I read it in the local paper. And I did find it at BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/manchester/2941885.stm

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

With all this attention on Iraq, Israel seems to be enjoying being out of the spotlight as they continue to terrorize and murder Palestinians.

I agree, I heard and later also saw it in the news. It is unbelievable that someone died in a shooting while he was protecting children from the bullets but we saw it often enough, when there is any doubt that some innocent people were killed the Israeli regime always told the press that they were terrorists, even when they killed children.

Patrick


User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1612 times:


Everybody is taking the opportunity...

Look at Fidel Castro jailing some more opposition leaders.

War was very convenient


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Cubans executed some guys that hi-jacked a ferry some days ago. Israel is definitly happy with that the Palestinians banker is gone in Iraq.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Israel is a peace-loving democracy in a sea of dictators and tyranny. Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorists and terrorist supporters.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

It was always inevitable that seeing as things didnt go the way that the arab lovers / America haters wanted things to go, that they now have to bring Israel back into the picture. Remember that Every single one of the 1.2 million arabs that live in Israel can vote, can work and can live comfortably with more rights than they would have in any of the arab countries in the middle east. Israel is surrounded by 22 military dictatorships... all opressive.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Exactly!

Israel is doing nothing that any other Western nation wouldn't do if it was surrounded by enemies bent on its destruction & outnumbered about 50-1.

Israeli human rights are the strongest in the Middle East.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

With all this attention on Iraq, Israel seems to be enjoying being out of the spotlight as they continue to terrorize and murder Palestinians.

And, of course, no mention from you about the Palestinians terrorizing and murdering Israelis.

Ruin the image you wanted out there, Airplay? Or, is it OK by you that Israeli's are dying at the hands of these scumbags?


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

It's people like Airplay who's blind hate for a certain thing, Israel in his case, makes them look at only one side of the coin.

Airplay,

How exactly are the Israelis terrorizing the Palestinians? It seems to me that they are defending themselves against Palestinian suicide bombers to me.

Like I said before, Israel is basically in an unofficial war with the Palestinian terrorists. You complain about the Israelis killing civilians, but you forget that they don't target civilians, they target terrorists. No matter what, in a conflict like this, civilian deaths will be caused by both sides. But you are forgeting the ones who actually TARGET civilians, and use terrorism as their political weapons.

It's simply incredible how one-sided you are on this issue.

Also, Artysman brought up a good point. A few months ago, about 70% of all NA topics were about Israel/Palestine. There were so many discussions and arguments.

Now, we are in the middle of a war with Iraq, and suddenly you guys bring this issue back? Why is that? Is it because you cannot accept the success we've had in Iraq or what?



-NWA742


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Israel is a peace-loving democracy in a sea of dictators and tyranny. Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorists and terrorist supporters.

What a load of crap.


It's people like Airplay who's blind hate for a certain thing, Israel in his case, makes them look at only one side of the coin.

NWA742, once again you have proven yourself to be unbelievably short-sighted. When someone points out an obvious flaw in the Bush presidency, it's "blind hatred". You know that is bullshit as much as I do. Israel is a mean little nation who only has Western support because it suits our needs. They terrorize their neighbors as much as Iraq ever did, if not more. And if our president really had the interests of freedom in mind, he would deal with all of these nations equally. Why do you refuse to see something so obvious??



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1541 times:


Actually, Israelis are occupying illegally the territory of the Palestinians.

They took the land of Palestine, the one that was taken from the Palestinians and handed over to the state of Israel

Then they took over the land that was not supposed to be theirs, but they took it anyway.

They started creating villages in the land that they should not have

Even in the occupied territories Israelis deny basic things as water for the Palestinians to grow food, because the water is needed for the swimming pools of rich American and European origin Jews.

The argument is: We need swimming pools because we are not used to this temperatures in the places were we come from.


Suicide bombers are a demonstration of desperation.

I will never forget a story I've heard about the Ghetto of Warsaw.

There was an uprising there against the Nazis. The Jews decided to fight. It was better to fight than to die.

Reports from the Germans said, many Jews got bags with hand grenades, and in absolute despair have exploded themselves against the German troops.

They have done that after 3 years of despair in a Ghetto.

The Palestinians are living in ghettos for more than 50 years.

Draw your own conclusions.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

"How exactly are the Israelis terrorizing the Palestinians?"

Here you go.

" It seems to me that they are defending themselves against Palestinian suicide bombers to me."

They rightfully defend themselves and I agree that hard measures have to taken, but they should do anything to prevent civilian casualties, as these cause just more terrorism.

"Now, we are in the middle of a war with Iraq, and suddenly you guys bring this issue back? Why is that? Is it because you cannot accept the success we've had in Iraq or what?"

"Guys, we just won a war, who cares about the rest of the world?"


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Even in the occupied territories Israelis deny basic things as water for the Palestinians to grow food, because the water is needed for the swimming pools of rich American and European origin Jews.

The argument is: We need swimming pools because we are not used to this temperatures in the places were we come from.


This is very close to being a racist statement. Israel is a remarkably integrated society with Ashkenazi (white) and Sephardic (Middle Eastern) Jews living together.

What a load of crap.

Oh....excellent retort!  Yeah sure







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Israel is a peace-loving democracy in a sea of dictators and tyranny. Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorists and terrorist supporters.

hehe...


Israel is doing nothing that any other Western nation wouldn't do if it was surrounded by enemies bent on its destruction & outnumbered about 50-1.

Hahahahaa....

Israeli human rights are the strongest in the Middle East.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Stop it YYZ717. I can't laugh anymore. You really should be a standup comic....I bet that British guy who was shielding women and children when an Israeli sniper shot him in the head is laughing his head right off. Funny. I thought those snipers were precision shooters.....maybe he was. Can't he tell the difference between a palestinian kid and a British man?


Now, we are in the middle of a war with Iraq, and suddenly you guys bring this issue back? Why is that? Is it because you cannot accept the success we've had in Iraq or what?

NWA742, read the topic.....it's pretty much self explanatory. The issue isn't being brought back. It never left. Just got overshadowed by all this nasty Iraq business. By the way "we" are not in the middle of a war. You are. So don't tell me what I should or shouldn't talk about. And feel free to not participate....


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

So tell me Airplay,
which Middle East countries are democracies then (besides Israel)?

and which ME countries have a stronger human rights record than Israel?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

This is very close to being a racist statement. Israel is a remarkably integrated society with Ashkenazi (white) and Sephardic (Middle Eastern) Jews living together.

Yes. That sounds very integrated. Two (count them...two) cultures that essentially are joined by religion are "remarkably integrated". Well at least it's better than some neighborhoods in the US and Canada where people of color are segregated (unofficially of course). Whoopsie. Sorry for that last "racist" and "anti-American" and "anti-Canadian" remark.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/israel.html

Looks like Saddam wasn't even killing at this rate. Democracy? Can Palestinians vote in Israel?


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

which Middle East countries are democracies then (besides Israel)?

So we just support anyone who calls themsleves a democracy?


and which ME countries have a stronger human rights record than Israel?

Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, UAE....



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

So we just support anyone who calls themsleves a democracy?

Yes.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Israel is doing nothing that any other Western nation wouldn't do if it was surrounded by enemies bent on its destruction & outnumbered about 50-1.

Apart from occupying terroritories not theirs to occupy, breaching 68 United Nations resolutions and randomly killing all and sundry.

I can't speak for Canada, but Australia doesn't partake in that type of behaviour.





ADG


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

This country is no better then their neighbors. They are no better then Iran or Syria. Why do we give such country 3 billion dollars a year? What a waste of money.

Thank You for bring this up airplay. Arab haters don't want top hear it but it is all true.

[Edited 2003-04-13 04:49:29]


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

So in terms of the U.N., Israel is kind of like a "Rouge State?"

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Yes.

That is a horrifying thought, dear friend.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

What a load of crap.

Careful, while the Israeli government engages in shady doings, I'm sure the PEOPLE do like peace, just like the Palestinian PEOPLE.

The problem with this conflict lies with BOTH sides. Israeli tanks storm a village, and a Palestinian suicide bomber blows up a coffee shop. It's a cycle of violence and the only reason these acts are carried out is for revenge for the last act.

The US gives too much money and support to one side...Israel. This needs to be stopped and a balanced approach is needed.

Personally, I favor a HARD stance on ALL ME countries, from Israel, to Egypt, to Saudi Arabia.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Why do we give such country 3 billion dollars a year? What a waste of money.

Egypt gets $2B per year. It's more balanced than you think.

ADG....all your personal freedoms as a citizen and a woman would be safeguarded if you lived in Israel.....very few would be in any Arab country.

The West is Israel. They are us, and we are them.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 We're Nuts : The West is Israel. They are us, and we are them. No, I don't think so. The East is East, the West is West, and never the twain shall meet.
26 Post contains images Radarbeam : Airplay, Would you be by any chances the same Airplay that will be part of the Belle Province Can Av with other pilots from a select aviator board? Ra
27 David B. : Giving any country 2-3 bil a year is way to much. The West is Israel. They are us, and we are them. Bull.........The west does not steal land or shoot
28 Yyz717 : Israel is a democracy. The only Arabs in the ME that can vote are Israeli Arabs. All the occupied land was taken when Israel was attacked FIRST. Israe
29 David B. : I side with those countries who pretend to be part of the west.
30 ADG : ADG....all your personal freedoms as a citizen and a woman would be safeguarded if you lived in Israel.....very few would be in any Arab country I fai
31 Yyz717 : Is is however, clearly documented that the problems in this region are the direct result of the UN making a decision it had no right to do. I agree wi
32 PPGMD : I have said this before have another palistian blow them selves up and see how long it will take before they get their state. In order IDF raids to st
33 Tbar220 : Wow, you guys never tire of beating a dead horse.
34 PPGMD : ADG I thought Syria was going to be used as ME Disney's car park.
35 Post contains images TWAL1011 : I agree with that. The UN had no right to put the Jewish homeland where it is. The Jewish homeland should have been given a slice of Germany. But what
36 EA CO AS : While I think the Palestinian people in general need to "build a bridge and get over it," the Israelis' actions of building settlements in "contested"
37 Jwenting : >Actually, Israelis are occupying illegally the territory of the Palestinians. No they don't. Before those lands were released to Israel by the UN in
38 Bravo45 : With the Iraq war making headlines for some time now, I was sure that Israel is making the best use of the opportunity.
39 ADG : But what's done is done. Israel is where it is now & it's not moving. Actually it is, and that's the problem. It's moving out. The jewish people deser
40 Alessandro : The arabs actually pushed the Jews to Israel, Iraq hanged jews during the 1950ies this made them leave the country. Both Iraq and the Palestinians hav
41 Avi : First of all, Israel didn’t take advantage of the war in Iraq to do things in the WB and GS it didn’t do before. Israel didn’t do anything to Ar
42 Airplay : ADG, Here here! Excellent post.
43 Yyz717 : The Arab countries could have taken the displaced Palenstinians in as refugees, but they did not. Shame on them. Why should they? The Palestinians hav
44 Us330 : Many people do not realize the scale of how much territory Israel has, which is actually a miniscule amount. It is not widely known or discussed that
45 Artsyman : Many people do not realize the scale of how much territory Israel has, which is actually a miniscule amount ********************** Never mind the fact
46 Post contains images Erj190 : AVI. Unlike what you may think, people understand what is going on there. Distance, makes us look at things in a different perspective though. If I wa
47 Vafi88 : Hmmmmmm.....Israeli's just took the land right??? Land that was Palestine's? And what do you all think that land was??? I'll tell you...the land was a
48 We're Nuts : The murder of Jews does not give Jews the right to murder.
49 Post contains images Tbar220 : And through all this I'm reading, nobody even cares to mention the nearly 1000 Israeli's killed in the last two years. Of course, they dont count do t
50 Manni : Artsyman, Why do you associate Arab lovers (whatever that might be) with America haters (anyone who does not agree with what your governement trys to
51 Alpha 1 : Manni, you always seem to crawl out of the woodwork every now and again. Too bad, really.
52 Erj190 : I repeat!!! ============ I am sure I wouldn't like a lot of foreigners in my country taking over and telling me there was some book they had, saying
53 Tbar220 : Jews believe in the law of Talion, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Really? I've never heard that one before. Care to elaborate?
54 Post contains links Erj190 : What do you want elaborated? The law of Talion? It is a basic principle, basis for the existence in some countries of Death Penalty. And it is also th
55 AC320 : Nobody has the right to take the land that belongs to others So by that logic the Palestinians shouldn't be there in the first place since the Arabs
56 Tbar220 : You're applying something from the Old Testament Israel to something that's happening today? That's a pretty weak argument.
57 Alpha 1 : Tbar220, it's a weak argumetn to you, but to many Israeli's, it's a valid arguement, since many do believe they have been bequeathed that land from Go
58 Tbar220 : Alpha1, I was talking about Erj's argument of the system of law that was used in the Old Testament. Maybe I should have clarified that.
59 Alpha 1 : Ah, ok. Appreciate the clarification. Thanks.
60 Alessandro : We´re nuts, right whats that got to do with the building of nations? War is one method how borders are set and nations are founded. Kaliningrad why s
61 Airplay : I'll tell you...the land was a deserted piece of shit and swamps and deserts with almost nobody living in this part. Are you calling Jerusalem a "piec
62 Yyz717 : And the occupied territory and Gaza strip are even more insignificant. So why can't Israel hand them over? Israel offered to, in return for peace. It
63 Erj190 : AC320, we therefore will have to assume that, reversing your argumentation, it will be legal for any country to invade another? Human race has evolved
64 Todareisinger : Erj190 is freely speading lies and false accusations.....really weird A few examples: Even the Gaza strip was Egyptian, the Egyptians decided to donat
65 Avi : Erj190: ... and If I lived in fear ... I don’t live in fear if you ask. I didn’t stop doing anything I did before September 2000. There are few fa
66 Airplay : Toda, What are your thoughts on the tragic death of the peace activist? (the topic of this thread) Was it an accident or are Israeli snipers bad shots
67 Erj190 : I do not recognize you the right to call me a liar. You can post your arguments, they can contradict mine. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO START INSU
68 Avi : What are your thoughts on the tragic death of the peace activist? He is NOT dead!!! Beyond that, every death of civilian is tragedy but the PA terrori
69 Lehpron : Yyz717:"Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorists and terrorist supporters. " So are peace activists and their children 'terrorist support
70 Erj190 : On this issue I think it is important to say the following: I think suicide bombers are scum. I think the Palestinian Authority is not democratic. I
71 Airplay : He is NOT dead!!! I just checked into it, and you're right! The newspaper I orginally read the story in stated that he was declared "brain dead" follo
72 Avi : Erj190, You are funny. You just made Toda and my points stronger!!! YOU SAID: 1947: By the partition plan of the UN the territory of Gaza is projected
73 Erj190 : Again, please read the posts correctly I have posted part of an article posted somewhere by an American University. I have not posted my opinion. I p
74 Post contains images Avi : No problem Erj190 (by the way, who was deserve your “big words” on that post?). In one of your early posts you said (and it was you, you didn’t
75 Advancedkid : One thing to say the least; Isreal does not deserve to get any aid, neither from the US nor from any other place. Let's see things go this way and let
76 Tbar220 : Erj, You want me to give you a bigger shovel? I dont think you're digging quickly or deep enough.
77 Post contains images Todareisinger : ...Avi has already answered for me... * * * Even the Gaza strip was Egyptian, the Egyptians decided to donate it to a Palestine authority That's what
78 Ts-ior : Do not forget that oil and terrorism were only the announced reasons for the war on Iraq.In the sionic program of the "State of Israel",Tel-Aviv is p
79 AC320 : You need to get out more and stop listening to nutjobs.
80 Tbar220 : Tel-Aviv is planning to annex all the lands between Sinai and the rivers of Tigre and Euphrates. Most interesting, care to provide a source for this?
81 Ts-ior : As if the Jews do not want that ? The problem is that every one knows the truth but wants to use it according to its interests whether they were mora
82 AC320 : Ts-ior telling Jews what they believe in? The only truth you are spewing is your own warped, brainwashed one.
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