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User currently offlineMCO-ATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Many of us are well aware of Israel selling AMERICAN military equipment to China and possibly to North Korea.

http://www.foreignwire.com/phalcon.html

Now if the United States cut all ties with Israel the next few questions would erupt:

1. Would Israel be able to survive since the US gives Israel more foreign that any country.

2. Would more of the Arab/Muslim world turn more Pro-American?

3. Would Arial Sharon start nuking everyone?

4. Would it make the middle east more stable?

If it is comfirmed that Israel is selling our technology to China and other nations I strongly am for cutting Israel off.

***This topic is for discussion and is NOT intended to cause an uprising.***

MCO-ATL

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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

The Jewish lobbies and their threats are strong enough to prevent this from happening.

Why are they selling to our enemies? Some friends they are. Hell, UK won't sell airbuses to Iran.

1. Would Israel be able to survive since the US gives Israel more foreign that any country.

Yes but their economy would be in shambles.

2. Would more of the Arab/Muslim world turn more Pro-American?

Oh YES

3. Would Arial Sharon start nuking everyone?

He will be too afraid to come out from under his rock.

4. Would it make the middle east more stable?

Not really



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

>>If it is comfirmed that Israel is selling our technology to China and other nations<<

Boeing and TRW has also sold missile technology to China.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

If the US cut aid to Israel, it would have to cut aid to Egypt as well....which at $2B is very substantial.

If Israel was cut off, it ironically could emerge stronger. When the West cut of South Africa from military & economic aid, they had to develop their own arms industry which went on to become a big export earner.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

They have shown us time and time again that they deserve neither pity nor money. Take out the trash, I say!


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

"Many of us are well aware of Israel selling AMERICAN military equipment to China and possibly to North Korea"

How about you point out where in the article it says that. At the very best you'll find rumours, about the transfer of technology from joint projects. The only equipment that is known to have been sold is Israeli developed.

LY744.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
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The US would do itself a MASSIVE favour if it cut links with Israel, that way, you don't give the islamic fanatics an excuse for their crusade, and yes, the arab would definitely turn pro-american. Support for Israel is *THE* reason why arabs are always pissed with the US.
But somehow i don't see this happening.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

Support for Israel is *THE* reason why arabs are always pissed with the US.

Not true. It is certainly a contributijng factor, but not the only one. If the US cut off support of Israel, the Arab world would remain upset with the US and the West in general. The Arab world has basically fallen behind much of the world in terms of economic & social development & they are very jealous & resentful of Western economic & military progress. Anti-Western hatred & resentment would remain the Arab world, albeit without the convenient excuse of Israeli support.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

The Arab world has basically fallen behind much of the world in terms of economic & social development & they are very jealous & resentful of Western economic & military progress. Anti-Western hatred & resentment would remain the Arab world, albeit without the convenient excuse of Israeli support.


Except that the Israelis would start to hate the US too....

I find it remarkable that you can make these very sweeping assumptions of what goes through the average Arab mind YYZ. Resentful? Jealous? What evidence of this do you have? Or is it conjecture?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Face it, USA needs Israeli war technology. As if USA stopped relations tomorrow, I think those who are hostile will still stay hostile to the USA. After all it´s part of their identity to hate the USA....


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

1. Would Israel be able to survive since the US gives Israel more foreign that any country.
Yes. The US didn’t support Israel from day 1 but we made it. The US is not the only country in the world that sells weapon and Israel has what to suggest too (The arrow for example).
On the not military level, it will be more difficult but we will survive. I country doesn’t disappear quickly.

2. Would more of the Arab/Muslim world turn more Pro-American?
Absolutely NOT.

3. Would Arial Sharon start nuking everyone?
No.

4. Would it make the middle east more stable?
I liked David B answer  Smile. It says everything.

Israel is not as weak as some people here may think. More than that, if the USA will “cut off” Israel, they will lose the only country they can count on in the Middle East (they thought they can count on Turkey and they were wrong!). This is not a US interest and it has nothing to do with the Jew lobby.

By the way, I don’t think Israel is selling anything to North Korea.




Long live the B747
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Where does Russia rank in terms of US aid?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

Except that the Israelis would start to hate the US too....

Oh really Airplay?

I find it remarkable that you can make these very sweeping assumptions of what goes through the average Israeli mind Airplay. Resentful? Jealous? What evidence of this do you have? Or is it conjecture?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineTodareisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

Jealous?


Well...this is an element playing a major role in the whole ME problem...but not in the direction you're suggesting here...really not.



* * * * * * *



2. Would more of the Arab/Muslim world turn more Pro-American?

Maybe...for a little time...But that wouldn't yet be enough, don't be too optimistic...





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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1083 times:
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Those who deny that if the US stopped supporting Israel that nothing would happen are simply in denial mode. The constant US support of Israel is the main reason why the arabs hate the US. Bin laden constantly mentions israel in his videotapes. Walk into the streets of Damascus, Riyadh and Beirut and ask them what they hate about US policy in the ME and they will most likely say it's the support of Israel. You can deny it all you want but that is the reality in that part of the world.

Still, i can't the US ever dropping it's support for the Israeli's, no US government would want to upset the important jewish voters.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Walk into the streets of Damascus, Riyadh and Beirut and ask them who is beyond the 9/11 attacks they will most likely say it was Israel...


Long live the B747
User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Oh, of course when the US drops support for Israel opinion will improve.

After all, the minute the US backs out is when all the Arab countries will unite and run over Israel.




thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1042 times:

After all, the minute the US backs out is when all the Arab countries will unite and run over Israel.

I think this is a myth perpetrated by the jews to keep America in line. I think the only thing that will happen is that the Isrealis will need to learn to play nice with the neighbours and will have to think twice before throwing their weight about.

and if i'm wrong .. well there is always the UN, they were good enough to use when the Israelis wanted a country, they should be good enough now.




ADG


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

To be honest I don't think it is a case of the US supporting Israel per se that antagonises Arabs, but rather a perceived support for Zionist expansionism, which probably matters little to the average Israeli citizen but seems to be a driving force behind the right-wingers. Your average Israeli wants peace much more than a couple km squared of arab lands but the Orthodoxy doesn't see it this way.

There is nothing wrong with supporting Israel as long as justice is given to the Palestinians. Give the Palestinians a state and the US can support Israel all it wants. It should also support the new founded Palestinian state to ensure fairness.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

Wow even ADG is now picking up on secret Jewish conspiracies.

User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1018 times:











User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

After all, the minute the US backs out is when all the Arab countries will unite and run over Israel.

No. Arab countries are very quarrelsome with one another. Israel is a convenient, common unifier. If Israel disappears, the intra-Arab spats will rear up in the Arab world.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 980 times:

"The US would do itself a MASSIVE favour if it cut links with Israel, that way, you don't give the islamic fanatics an excuse for their crusade, and yes, the arab would definitely turn pro-american. "

Yeah, sure... Insane


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 977 times:

For sure the Jewish lobby in the US is mega-powerful, and a driving force behind American support for Israel. But it's NOTHING compared to the fundamentalist Christian lobby - and apparently 30% of American Christians believe that Jesus will return when the Jews are back in the Holy Land (which has happened) and the Jews convert to Christianity (still to happen). It's a weird one I grant you but a true phenomenon. Most opposition to a Palestinian state in the US comes from Christian lobby groups nowadays.

(Although it's blatantly anti-Semitic, as one Israeli pointed out: "We're grateful for the support but it's like a five act play where the Jews disappear at the end of the fourth act.")



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Most opposition to a Palestinian state in the US comes from Christian lobby groups nowadays.

Stop exaggerating. Not all of those Christians oppose a Palestinian state. Most of the opposition comes from Israeli's as it is THEIR country.



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25 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Yeah, sure... What do you mean "yeah, sure"? Why do you think 9/11 happened, why so much arab anger towards the US and Israel? Do they hate us because
26 Post contains images ADG : Every time I see this thread I wonder what part of Israel the US should cut off ... after all, they're already missing a bit ..... ADG
27 Boeing4ever : 2. Would more of the Arab/Muslim world turn more Pro-American? No. I highly doubt this. The Arab/Muslim world has other reasons to hate the US. Iraq f
28 BA : 1. Would Israel be able to survive since the US gives Israel more foreign that any country. Yes, but it's economy would start to weaken greatly and wo
29 LY744 : "strong militaries except for Switzerland" Whoa, whoa, those guys didn't stay out of conflict for so many years and through so much turmoil in Europe
30 BA : Whoa, whoa, those guys didn't stay out of conflict for so many years and through so much turmoil in Europe by having a weak military. 500 years withou
31 LY744 : "Switzerland maintains a tiny military. If you're neutral, you can't have a large military." I would by no means call it tiny, it is in good proportio
32 Ts-ior : Of course !!! This is the aim !!! But what if Israel,i.e.the Jews,cut off the U.S.A ? In my opinion G.W.Bush wouldn't have invaded Iraq if there were
33 AC320 : That's right, we also discovered an immortality potion and refuse to share its secret with the rest of the world.
34 LY744 : The Iraqi threat to Israel, eh? The one that at best would only have a slight chance of materializing, and only in the case of an all out war with Ira
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