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U.N. Weapons Inspectors In U.S.?  
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

Could it be possible that sometime in the future that the U.N. could send weapons inspectors to the U.S?

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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1063 times:


Well, if the United Nations were to pass a resolution, sure, you bet.....
All the United Nations would have to do if come up with just cause. If that resolution were to ever pass, we would have 10 years to hide everything under the carpet....



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User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1006 times:

If the U.N. thought they had a hard time in Iraq, they are probably going to have a really hard time in the U.S. Not because of uncooperative government (the U.S. is probably more willing to cooperate than Iraq was), but because of the size of the country and how well things like "secret weapons" can be hidden.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 993 times:

Considering the fact that the U.S. can veto any such action, it isn't likely. Besides, I'd love to know who would enforce such resolutions.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 979 times:

All the US has are Nuclear Weapons, the Russians under treaty were allowed to witness first hand the US destroy the Chemical and Biological stockpiles. And the US was allowed to do the same in Russia, to quote President Reagan "trust but verify".

If the US were to gas it's own people, invade Canada and gas them, invade Mexico, and lobe ballistic missisles at Guatemala, and Tegucigalapa Hondurus, then lose a war to a "allied coalition", then maybe




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Besides, I'd love to know who would enforce such resolutions.

I'm sure Roy would love to try.  Big grin


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 970 times:

But to seriously answer your question, yes weapons inspectors have already been in the US.

Although not from the UN, rather from the former Soviet Union and the current Russian Goverment sent inspectors to the US to monitor the US's comitment to various arms control treaties we signed with them over the years, the Russians witnessed first hand the US destroy deserts full of B-52s, MX missisles, land based Nuclear Cruise Missisles, chemical, bilological weapons.

And we did the same in Russia.

So the answer to your question, the US has already gone through the process, and the Soviets/Russians were satisfied with our efforts and the results. As we were with the Soviets, however the Iraqis never made a full effort.



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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 960 times:

All the US has are Nuclear Weapons, the Russians under treaty were allowed to witness first hand the US destroy the Chemical and Biological stockpiles. And the US was allowed to do the same in Russia, to quote President Reagan "trust but verify".

I thought we discussed whether or not the US manufactures chemical and bilogical agents. If I remember correctly someone several companies and a list of what the US had in their inventory. Can anyone shed some light on this?

I think we all know that the US would never be subject to this sort of thing. As mentioned, a resolution would never make it out of the UN, and it would be damn near impossible to complete inspections. Would the US allow access to Area 51 for instance? Or George Bush's basement?

I bet they would insist that government officials accompany all inspectors and witness any conversations too.

But let's just forget all that because we know that the US has WMDs already, and the technology to make all sorts of mass killing devices. I'm just glad there are several layers of government that Baghdad Bush has to peel back before he can start shooting....


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Would Napalm be considered a chemical weapon (probably a dumb question)?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 950 times:

No but we can't destory that stuff from vietnam that we stockpiled in the desert.

Some endangered species of mouse discovered the crates make good homes so if we destory them we are destroying their homes.



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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 944 times:

In recent years, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq...sorry...America, so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused. All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. George Bush and his slutty daughters must leave Iraq...oops...America within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals -- including journalists and inspectors -- should leave Iraq...damn...America immediately. And yes, this include FoxNews, particularly as their reports aren't worth jack anyway.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Thats a good question Charleslp. I assume it is not much different than any other fire bomb that uses gasoline. I've heard that it has negative toxilogical effects to handlers. It kills weeds too. But I don't think it's suited for killing by exposure. And it's not in the same category as nerve gasses.

I'm no expert in Napalm though, but I bet there are a few here at A.net that are!



User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 937 times:

I think Napalm is used to keep an area burning for a while, kind of like gasoline but more lethal.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 931 times:

Charleslp

Napalm is just gasoline that has been gelled so it is thick, makes it more sticky and less likely to flow off a target.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 923 times:

And the US doesn't use Napalm anymore, hasn't in years. What the military has is surplus Vietnam era and can't be disposed of very easily due to enviromental concerns.


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Inspecting for what? It's not like we hide the fact that we have enough nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons to destroy the world many times over. My own state has enough nerve agent to kill the planet. At least it did a few years ago, they may have moved/destroyed it by now, I don't pay attention.


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User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 884 times:

I would like to see the U.N. try!


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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 859 times:

I would like to see the U.N. try!

That's what Saddam said. It seems that Americans are not that much different than Iraqis in this respect...

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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Charleslp:

"Could it be possible that sometime in the future that the U.N. could send weapons inspectors to the U.S?"

Maybe not necessarily UN inspectors, but in this light you might be interested to know the following I posted sometime ago on this same board.

In 1993 the US signed the Chemical Weapons Convention, and this was ratitied in 1997. One of the important control-elements of this Convention is that third-party Member Countries can require an inspection to be carried out in another country. The most reliable tool for this are the so called "challenge inspections", which are, like we have seen in the Iraq inspection process, suprise inspections. Needless to say that access should be given without conditions nor delay. This is all very reasonable and thus the US ratified this convention in 1997.

However, the US in 1998, approved a special Law on this issue:

The US "Chemical Weapons Convention Implementation Act of 1998" (Public Law 105-277) says the following:

"SEC. 303. AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT INSPECTIONS.

(a) Prohibition.--No inspection of a plant, plant site, or other facility or location in the United States shall take place under the Convention without the authorization of the United States National Authority in accordance with the requirements of this title."


This means that any request by any State Party of the Convention for a "challenge inspection" can be overruled the United States National Authority.

Furtheron we read:

"2) United states government representatives.--The United States National Authority shall coordinate the designation of employees of the Federal Government to accompany members of an inspection team of the Technical Secretariat and, in doing so, shall ensure that--
(A) a special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as designated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, accompanies each inspection team visit pursuant to paragraph (1);
(B) no employee of the Environmental Protection Agency or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration accompanies any inspection team visit conducted pursuant to paragraph (1); and
(C) the number of duly designated representatives shall be kept to the minimum necessary."


In other words, in case the United States National Authority grants permission for an inspection to be carried out, those inspectors shall always be accompanied by employees of the Federal Government and a Special Agent of the FBI.

Its interesting that no US Environmental Protection Agency or Occupational Safety and Health Administration personnel are allowed at these sites. Makes on wonder...

There's more interesting stuff:

"(3) Content of notice.--

(A) In general.--The notice under paragraph (1) shall include all appropriate information supplied by the Technical Secretariat to the United States National Authority concerning--
(i) the type of inspection;
(ii) the basis for the selection of the plant, plant site, or other facility or location for the type of inspection sought;
(iii) the time and date that the inspection will begin and the period covered by the inspection; and
(iv) the names and titles of the inspectors.
(B) Special rule for challenge inspections.--In the case of a challenge inspection pursuant to Article IX of the Convention, the notice shall also include all appropriate evidence or reasons provided by the requesting state party to the Convention for seeking the inspection."


In plain English, "challenge inspections" in the US must be notified beforehand, and, as normal inspections, must be permitted by the United States National Authority. All other countries which have also signed this Convention without such extreme limitations, can be inspected, for example upon request of the US, without prior notification. When any other member of the Convention wishes to execute the Conventions' right on "challenge inspections" on US soil, the inspectors have to informe beforehand WHEN they will be visiting WHAT sites!!

Since the US states they no longer have such weapons, given the above, one can only guess the validity of such statements.

(Sources: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/publaw/105publ.html & http://www.opcw.org/)



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 831 times:


Let's not say the U.S.because they do not hide their WMD,but Israel does and it must be the first country to accept U.N.inspectors.

Inspectors ? Even journalists and peace activists are not welcome in Israel !


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 823 times:

but Israel, NORTH KOREA, IRAN, LIBYA etc. does and it must all accept U.N.inspectors.....



User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 806 times:


Lybia has WMDs ?

...and why not Malta,Cyprus,Andorra,and the Liechtenstein !!!


User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 788 times:

"That's what Saddam said. It seems that Americans are not that much different than Iraqis in this respect..."

We have 100X the power saddam has. Thats like putting weapon restrictions on the winner of a war. Its always the loser that gets thoes restriction put on them.



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User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Sure, why not inspect everyone TS-IOR, seeing how even countries like Germany France and Belgium feed terrorists like SH...  Insane

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