Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
Imagine if it was an Aussie instead of a Brit - the marine would have been mince meat.
Our Aussie forces are renowned for their abilities.
My grandfather was a commando in Timor (he was also a Barnardo's boy from the first world war) and would love to comment on this. My uncle also served in Vietnam and contest to the yanks trigger happy attitudes. I have so many slides and pictures (remember nam night with slides?) from the Vietnam war that don't pain a nice picture.
I think the difference in our forces are the fact that Aussies / Brits are a hell of a lot more tacticle and tacile rather than in your face.
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3329 times:
When my grandfather died he surprised all his sons by leaving all his war medals and memorabilia to *myself*. (considering 5 children and hordes of grandchildren I felt privelaged)
Not against his wished but against his principles (he hated the RSL) I have left them in trust with Parra RSL. They are on display along with others. No point keeping them with anyone else.
I march for him and have marched with him, proud that a member of my family did such duty but it took a lot of maturing on my behalf to be able to do that.
*Lest we forget*
My uncle who went off to war in Vietnam suffered greatly, he returned to a public that reviled them rather than rejoice and was the *a typical* aussie who suffered so much from the war. He used to sleep outside rather than inside for months - and as a tiny kid I loved his camoflague hideout in the back yard amongst the banana trees in suburban Sydney - not knowing the real reason for it.
Did you ever go out to the training camps at Holsworthy and trudge through bunkers and tunnels in the wet / mud and ride in a tank? I remember these things from a kid.
I've got a slide of Aussies running for cover when a yankee chopper thought they saw khmer and fired on the campsite when it was simply a local in the compound.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 75 Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
ADG, Imagine if it was an Aussie instead of a Brit - the marine would have been mince meat
This thread is one big *eye roll* as well as the above comment. I mean what, you think the Marine just stood there and let some Brit pilot drop the hammer on him allthe while having some "expression" on his grill? I'm sure he didn't fight back or anything. Not like Marines are known to be fanatical or anything.
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Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
The Australian SAS is based on the British SAS model, and the Brit SAS are the ones who pretty much invented the Special Ops game in WWII. World class all the way. I don't know if the Aussie SAS has actually seen combat though. Has it?
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
I was goint to say - since when has the Aussie SAS been renowned as better than the British one? Maybe they are better at cricket, but you can't go around saying they are the 'Best of the Best' without evidence. I am sure they are very capable indeed, but just because they are Aussies doesn't automatically make them the best ADG
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
ADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3282 times:
oooh ... the pride comes out.
The label "best of the best" comes from a variety of places most notable being the American military leader in Afghanistan as well as George W Bush who specfically requested them for their role in Iraq which placed them miles in front of the US troops for most of the war.
You don't hear about them because they're good, very good. Unlike some of their foreign counterparts they have the ability to differentiate between coalition and iraqi military forces and have not added any friendlies to their death toll.
Indeed, the feedback from the Russian Ambassedor is very positive as well, having encountered the diggers after their little "run in" with the trigger happy coalition forces as they left Baghdad. The Aussies stopped & searched, treated their wounded and escorted them on their way .. all without firing a shot at them.
Not only that ... they kick arse during war games. You want to try sitting in the boozer with the fn's after playing games with our SAS ... puts a whole new meaning into "shock and awe". They make some other troops we've played with look like elephant trackers.
Buckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
This thread is one big *eye roll* as well as the above comment. I mean what, you think the Marine just stood there and let some Brit pilot drop the hammer on him allthe while having some "expression" on his grill?
If he was really that dumb to shoot at a Chinook, he probably would have just stood there to take the blows...
Buckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 21 Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
No, by my logic, if he was that dumb to shoot at a friendly in such a situation, he'd probably be dumb enough not to know how to retalitate properly anyway.
Or perhaps that's all he knew how to do is retaliate. Friendly fire incidents, while most just put it down to simple 'oh well it happens', are all derived from errors. Some of these errors are due perhaps to overcomplication of technology, some are perhaps due to a lack of information, and some of which are just due to simple 'oh well I didn't think' situations.
The Marines are a big organization. But I'm sure not all of them are smart and tough. Not by a longshot...
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
Well, get your joys in life where you can, I suppose. If the thought of a Marine getting punched makes you titter with glee, more power to you. I guess the US got its well-deserved comeuppance, after all.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
KaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1586 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3164 times:
Ohhh how cool... are armed force members can beat your armed force members up! God damn the things people get their nuts off to! I am sure some Aussies can kick the shit out of some Americans and some Americans can beat the tar out of the Aussies. In the end it all comes out in a wash! Stop acting like 8 year olds arguing over their favourite wrestlers!
Galaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
Um yeah, Im sure the pilot of the shithook just got shot at, stopped what he was doing while getting shot at, landed infront of the guys that were shooting at him, then just lept out of the helo (engines running and all ) Identified the one of many marines there while flying and being shot at (im sure he recognized the face and all). And proceeded to fight a marine. Yeah that sounds factual to me, the pilot just stopped what he was doing and fought with a single marine in the middle of combat. Sounds really professional.
"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3239 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3136 times:
Sounds really professional
Sounds just as professional as shooting on a frinedly that is flying in a very large American build helicopter in a country were all flights of the last few weeks (if not months) were friendly.
By the way, UK television channel C4 mentioned 2 weeks ago that (at that time) the US had killed ** UK soldiers (I forgot the number). If the UK had the same amount of mistakes as the US has, then 5000 US soldiers would have been killed by UK friendly fire. That was 2 weeks ago, god knows how the numbers are now.
At the moment ALL friendly fire has been American.
Galaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
Friendly fire is a tragic thing but it doesnt reflect professionalism its an accident, Stopping your mission, getting out of a helo and fighting someone who you think is wrong is no where near being professional military, if you cant differentiate between the two then you need to stay out of the military and professional world. You make it sound like the marines ID the British helo as a british helo and decided to open fire on it just for fun. Also i question the credibility of the article and of course the initial poster, they both sound like BS to me.
"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3099 times:
Petertenthije: By the way, UK television channel C4 mentioned 2 weeks ago that (at that time) the US had killed ** UK soldiers (I forgot the number). If the UK had the same amount of mistakes as the US has, then 5000 US soldiers would have been killed by UK friendly fire. That was 2 weeks ago, god knows how the numbers are now.
Since there are only 35,000 Britts and 2,000 Aussie compared to 200,000 U.S. troops,what do you suppose the odds on there being more U.S. friendly fire accidents?
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3239 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3091 times:
Sorry Thumper, I read your post after posting my previous post. I am not ignoring you!
Yes there is a larger chance that Americans hit a frienly because there are more. On the other hand, the same math tells me that in that case the Brits should find it easy to put friendly fire on the Americans since they are everyone. Still the Brits have had no case of friendly fire. If they have, I have not heard from it.
All I know from deaths caused by the Brits is that 2 Royal Navy helicopters collided mid-air killing all aboard. No friendly fire incidents.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:
Yet another outstanding post by ADG. Anything to show the U.S. or U.S. forces in bad lighting! Firing at a friendly helicopter is stupid but can happen in the "Fog of War". That being said, landing your helicopter, getting out and then starting a fight in the middle of a war zone isn't extremely professional.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
25 ADG: I've got a slide of Aussies running for cover when a yankee chopper thought they saw khmer and fired on the campsite when it was simply a local in the
26 QANTASFOREVER: I'm still waiting for the answers to two questions: 1) If the US soldiers are so bloody great, why did they fire on The Palestine Hotel (full of jouna
27 ADG: Blake, Your questions need to be asked of the strategists/planners rather than the soldiers on the ground. A more important question would by why so m
28 Airplay: I've touched on this in another thread ADG. It's unfathomable how there is such a lack of skill and discipline in the US armed forces. You would think
29 Yyz717: I've touched on this in another thread ADG. It's unfathomable how there is such a lack of skill and discipline in the US armed forces. This is nonsens
30 CX747: ADG: Good to hear from you. It is remarkable how you only find news clippings showing the U.S. military messing up in some way or another. The friendl
31 Airplay: YYZ717, In accordance with forum rules, please refer to me with embellishing my name with your derogatory bullshit. In the mean time, answer me this.
32 KAUSpilot: Why is the tally so lop-sided? duh, look at the sheer number of US troops compared to others. You don't need a PhD in statistics to figure this one ou
33 Vafi88: CX747, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't understand how you can look at this so closedminded. Marines fired upon the hotel as they w
34 Airplay: duh, look at the sheer number of US troops compared to others. You don't need a PhD in statistics to figure this one out...... Then wouldn't you think
35 Thumper: In the mean time, answer me this. Look at Desert Storm, the war in Afghanistan, Kosovo and the recent occupation of Iraq. Now tell me how many of the
36 L-188: QANTASFOREVER: Today the Army had to go room to room through that Hotel looking for snipers and spotters. The thing that surprises me is that the Mari
37 CX747: I don't think that it was Marines that fired on the journalist building and I also don't think it took placed at night. Confusion etc happens in warfa
38 Yyz717: It's funny YYZ717, how in many old threads you were accused of being anti-American Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I u
39 Airplay: Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I used to live in the US & may well go b
40 Yyz717: Are you breathing too much of that smog over there in YYZ? That smog is from a booming economy that has to support economic back-waters like Winnipeg.
41 KAUSpilot: Exactly, if for no other reason than simply because US soldiers outnumber the rest of the coalition by at least 10:1, it's is proportionally more like
42 Airplay: That smog is from a booming economy that has to support economic back-waters like Winnipeg. You'd be poverty-stricken without hard-working Ontario & A
43 Yyz717: How about reports of shooting at targets before positively identifying them? Isn't this case of firing at a Chinook seem kind of crazy? Wouldn't you l
44 Airplay: economic back-waters like Winnipeg Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I used to live in the US & may well go back (like s
45 Yyz717: I don't loathe Manitoba. I lived there as a little kid. They just have no incentive to improve their fiscal record as long as big brother ON and AB ke
46 Airplay: Being socialist, anti-Western, anti-democratic, anti-American is very un-Canadian. Shame! Who are you shaming? I'm none of these. This is just your wa
47 PPGMD: Some how I doubt this story it true, it hasn't been carried in any major paper that I know of, and since the British have proven to be jokers I am sur
48 ADG: The reason I posted this was because it was funny. The reason I didn't post a similar article about another country is because I haven't seen one and
49 Mx5_boy: ADG, The whole anti-american thing is bollocks. If they (some) can run as much anti-anyone crap that they do, then we can post what can be perceived a
50 ADG: Good point .. the "we hate french/german/syrians/iraqis/north koreans" etc etc etc (ad nauseum) stay here without complaint but show a single thing th
51 Ual777contrail: Lucky they didn't open fire on. What a tough guy. ual 777 contrail
52 Continental: I still would of kept shootin' at that Brit! co
53 Hartsfieldboy: I love all the Armchair Generals in this thread. Every single one of you would be dead on day one if you all were fighting in a war. Are we soon going
54 Continental: Hartsfieldboy: Who are you to speak for? No shit we would be dead because almost all of us don't know how to fire a fricken gun. I do though.... co
55 Heavymetal: "This Bud's for you!" - Apache helicopter pilot as he fired the Hellfire missile that seconds later exploded against a Bradley fighting vehicle, killi