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Top 10 Reasons Canada Did Not Join Iraqi War  
User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

10. We had no way of getting there.

09. We're too busy at home with both the curling and maple syrup seasons
in full swing.

08. Iraqis don't drink Labatts Blue.

07. No Tim Hortons in Iraq.

06. There is only limited potential for sales of Canadian bacon in post war
Iraq.

05. Our Sea King helicopter was damaged and is at Mr. Muffler for repairs.

05A. Comedienne Luba Goy refused to act as a human sheild for the
troops.

04. Celine Dion can't sing to the troops due to her long term contract in
Las Vegas. Plus, we didn't have the heart to ask her to do "chin-ups"
with the troops to help boost morale as it's long enough.

04A. Nellie Furtado expressed great interest in singing to the troops, however
Canadian officials feared an outbreak of mass vomiting once the
Canuck boys were subjected to her singing.

03. The Tigris river is too shallow for our Canadian Tire war canoes.

02. Our army is needed at home in the event of another severe snow storm
in Toronto.

01. Hello! Hockey playoffs are starting!

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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Excellent work, my lad! Canadian through and through!

User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Aah! Merci, Monsieur, eh!

User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

11, large part of Canada speaks french!

I know it is an old one, but this is the non_av forum, so I hope you'll appreciate it anyway! Big grin



Attamottamotta!
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

11 - they've already deployed their only weapon of mass destruction against the US. shania continues to despoil the musical landscape....

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

I thought Alannis was the Canadian WMD?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

This is not a joke but something interesting I read in the Globe yesterday. In a recent poll to see if US citizens would boycott Canadian goods because of their stance on war 47% them said they thought they were helping in Iraq.

User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

I like that a good sense of humor,not like another Canadian on these posts.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Take this!


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

The reasons stated are pretty good but
hockey isn’t the only pastime that most of
us Canadians participate in. I enjoy hockey
mainly in the winter, but when summer comes,
pretty much any sport draws me in! It’s
especially fun to go swimming but even
racing my kid on a bike down the street is fun.

Is hockey the only sport we are known for? Are
sporting events in Canada restricted to winter?

Americans typically assume it. But why did we say
no to war?

Americans have always been our friends. We
sometimes disagree but we have learned to
sacrifice a little to accommodate them and maintain our
happy and prolonged relationship. I hope that
our country’s decision to stay out of the Iraqi
liberation won’t harm this relationship that is the
envy of the rest of the world!


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

LOL. Nice post, my friend. Nice post.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Great post, lmao. If only Canada had an Army of Don Cherry's!  Big grin

User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

"I like that a good sense of humor,not like another Canadian on these posts."

Hmmm, now I wonder just WHO you would be referring to?? LOL.


User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Is hockey the only sport we are known for?

Basically it is the only sport played on an international level which the Canadians actually have a chance at winning.  Laugh out loud

And please, don't insult true sportsmen and women around the world by insisting that curling is a sport.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

04B:

Avril Lavigne is really too busy with her "skater punk" life. In other words, there's reason to "Let Go".

(gotAirbus?)



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User currently offlineL'Espace180 From France, joined Sep 2000, 938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

12- Canadians are full of sense
:-P


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Going over to a serious note.

The reason why Canada is no longer able to form a combat capable unit for real world war.

There is reason why I say that. Is that although Canada has had a long tradition of being able to conduct peacekeeping in the world, that capability has been eroded over the past 30 years, and even more so since Cretian has been in power.

It is so bad now that the Forces Canada is forced to rely on purchases of used equipment, equipment that although new manufactured are based on designs being retired by other militaries, and equipment ordered as cheaper alternatives for reserve forces but taken over by the regular army units, and old equipment that is kept in service despite a desperate need for updated machinery.

Example of the gear I am talking about is.

The 105mm C1 howitzer:

Was introduced by the US army in 1940 as the M101. My granddaddy shot those during WWII. Canadian production began in 1955 because the older British 25lb cannon the Canadians where using where wholly inadequate for the job they where asked to do. Most armies only retain 105mm howiters for airborne or light units today, opting instead for 155mm ordance. Currently being rebarreled rather then replaced, although there is interest in a Giat howitzer as a replacement, although that is more of a replacement for the 105 mm light gun which has developed the habit of shedding muzzle brakes while firing

grizzly, Husky and Cougar.

6 Wheel APC's based on the LAV design. Was intended as a lower cost purchase for reserve units in lieu of the LAV or Bison design. Many have been pressed into service for regular army units because of lack of alternatives in RA service.

Iltis.

A copy of a Volkswagen design, Bombardier picked up the rights after production ended in Germany in 81 and manufactured them for the Forces Canada between 83 and 86. Critisied for being under powered, It will be replaced by the Mercedes Benz G-wagon which was designed by MB to replace the Iltis in German service 20 years ago. Unless you are a reserves, then you will probably get Chevy CUCV III's which are a later model of the military CUCV that both Canada and US used, and got rid of rather quickly after Desert Storm because of their fragility on the battlefield.

LSVW.

Based on the 40.10 by Iveco and built by western star. This truck is considered top heavy and underpowered. Two faults that doom it to the failed projects pile.

MLVW

Or what the US military has called a Duce and a Half for better of 50 years (we had a 1953 build unit in my US Army unit in 1992) now. The trucks of this type that Canada uses where built in the early to mid 1980's with only a single tire on the rear wheels (reduceds flotation in mud, IMHO) and a modern diesel engine. But the chassis and cab are true to the original Eisenhower administration REO design.

The EH101

Intended as a replacement for the Labador and Sea King Helicopters. Canceled by Cretian at a cost of 1/2 billion dollars. Labador since replaced by the EH-101 Cormant design. Sea Kings comming up on their 40th birthday and still chugging around.

I have to run off to class but there are some other things that would point out and back my belief that Canada is not interested in having a viable military. Those submarines that where bought from Britain that needed major retrofit work because current safety standards would have condemned them. Not having any way to deploy troops and equipment overseas, which was painfully shown two years ago when 1/10 of the armor in Forces Canada was held hostage by a freight who refused to dock until they got paid.

The fact the government has allowed those forces to degrade that badly is a tragedy when compared to the Canadian peacekeeping tradition.






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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

#12. Wat in Irak? Ey did not know about any war in Irak. Nobody told me about a war in Irak. Dis is dah furst time I am earing about a war in Irak... From you, sir...

User currently offlineKRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
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...although Canada has had a long tradition of being able to conduct peacekeeping in the world, that capability has been eroded over the past 30 years, and even more so since Cretian has been in power.

Being American, I value our strong military, and tend to be a hawk when it comes defense spending, BUT...if I were a Canadian taxpayer, maybe I would feel differently. Top-flight military hardware ain't cheap. And I suppose the need for a powerful (and expensive) Canadian military can be argued.
Canada is among the most progressive, widely respected, and well-liked countries in the world, they don't stick their nose in everyone else's business. And let's face it: If push ever came to shove in terms of a military conflict, they have a close friend just to the south who, despite their differences, wouldn't think twice about making life quite unpleasant for anyone foolish enough to start screwing with the Canucks. That all probably sounds quite simplistic and juvenile, but I do think it reflects much the current reality.

I think there are good reasons for Canada to maintain an effective military/defensive capability, but if I was the one footing the bill, I would certainly take the above into consideration before cutting the checks.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

I agree that Canada's military capability has eroded over the years, but it's not an easy sell to the taxpayers or to the US government in the past.

Our tradition of getting "used" second rate equipment started in the 50s when our government was "urged" to scrap development of the Avro Arrow, the most capable military jet of the time, in favour of the Boeing Bomarc missle system. We got stuck with an inferior piece of junk and lost the vast majority of our aerospace engineers to outfits like Northrop and General Dynamics. It's no coincidence that the F-16 has a FBW system that mimics the Arrow's.

As far as our navy goes, we have pretty reasonable subs and destroyers. They are not leading edge, but formidable enough for our UN obligations. The helicopters are a fiasco that I blame squarly on Chretien. He misinformed voters when he promised to cancel the original order of EH-101s. Now there is a alot of backpedalling to get them operating by 2006.

Anyway, over the years our military has assumed a role of peace keeper, and police. We don't have a major combat capability nor do we have any hi-tech bombs. As pointed out though...I guess we don't really need them.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Airplay. I think that the Canadian navy is actually one of the bright spots despite the glaring lack of amphibious or transport capablity

To be honest the rebuilds that where done of the Iriqois class destroyers that where done in the late 1980's where my one example of a good rebuild on a existant platfrom and the homebuilt Halifax class frigates are well balanced ships for Canada's needs. And where desperately needed to replace the 1960's built ships that where about to rot out.

To be honest Canada should strive to build a large part of it's own armaments from her own manufactures, generally when given the chance they put out a pretty good product.



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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Is hockey the only sport we are known for?

Aviatsya, the only reason I have added that sentence is for the "I" in "Is"...

 Big grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Well you all haven't been playing up the Montreal Expos in recent years.


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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

"#12. Wat in Irak? Ey did not know about any war in Irak. Nobody told me about a war in Irak. Dis is dah furst time I am earing about a war in Irak... From you, sir..."

LOL Awspicious! Ahhh, and to add to that,

"Dey tell me dey have da pictures of weapons in I-rak on da satellite cam-era. But for me? Da proof is da proof when dey show me da proof, because da proof is always in da proof".

Canadi>nBoy
"Always time for Tim Hortons!"


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

KRIC777 wrote:

"Canada is among the most progressive, widely respected, and well-liked countries in the world, they don't stick their nose in everyone else's business. And let's face it: If push ever came to shove in terms of a military conflict, they have a close friend just to the south who, despite their differences, wouldn't think twice about making life quite unpleasant for anyone foolish enough to start screwing with the Canucks. That all probably sounds quite simplistic and juvenile, but I do think it reflects much the current reality."

That is one of the nicest and most touching things I've heard in a while coming from you loveable Yanks! Thank you for posting that. It was not juvenile in the least. And be rest assured that not only are we Canucks your neighbours, we're also long-standing good friends, and nothing, and no-one will ever change that. One thing that makes me so proud is the fact that the Canadian-U.S. border is the longest undefended border in the world. THAT in and of itself speaks volumes about our relationship. Sure, we tick each other off now and then. And yes, we can have some pretty serious disagreements on occasion, but then again, that's normal between neighbours and friends.

I myself, or rather my family has very strong ties to the United States. My paternal great grandmother was born and raised in Manhattan; a branch of my mothers family emigrated from Ireland to New York City in the late 19th century, where some stayed, and others went on to Louisiana, where they settled and made a fortune in their own business. My siblings and I spent many a great time down in New Orleans (N'Awlans!) during Mardi Gras while growing up, and my crazy zany American 2nd and 3rd cousins are still very much in contact with the family here in Canada. I myself lived in both Boston and San Francisco for brief spell, and loved it, but I got incredibly homesick for the beauty and uniqueness of Canada and all thangs Canadiana. Plus, had to be home for the hockey season playoffs! LOL.

On a more touching note, never was I more moved when in the U.S. when I was in Dallas visiting friends in May, 2002. During that visit, at a fundraising
barbecue, I met up with 3 couples who were among the thousands of Americans who found themselves stranded in Canada on Sept 11, when U.S. airspace was closed down. These 3 couples were stranded in Halifax for 4 days, and they made me so proud (and almost moved me to tears) as they recounted (a couple of them could not contain their tears as they told me) the kindness, generosity, warmth and heart of their Canadian hosts, who more than made them feel as part of their own family for those 4 days. These people still keep in close contact with their Canadian friends, and as I said, just hearing them recount their tales made me so proud to be a Canadian, and also proud of the special friendship and close ties our two wonderful nations share.

"I think there are good reasons for Canada to maintain an effective military/defensive capability, but if I was the one footing the bill, I would certainly take the above into consideration before cutting the checks."

I, along with many many other Canadians, am absolutely appalled and embarassed as to how our Canadian government has allowed our military to deteriorate over the years. Yes, it is very true Canada has always developed and maintained a large and significant peace-keeping role on the world stage, a fact of which we are very proud of; however, that is no excuse to allow our Canadian Armed Forces to work with such outdated and frankly archaic equipment, the Sea King helicopters being but one example. Jean Chretien and his cabinet have a lot to answer for in that respect. And the sad but true reality of the question of Canada joining in the Iraqi conflict is that, simply put boys, we just "aint got the equipment", so to speak. This being aside from all
other reasons why Canada remained on the outfield.

Canadi>nBoy
P.S: Hey you Yanks! Y'all come on up here fer coffee sometime! We'll put a
fresh pot of Tim Hortons brew on fer y'all!






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