MaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5562 times:
I'm a mature 17 year old who knows the dangers of motorcycles to start out with....
I want a 750cc Honda Shadow or similar bike (no sport bikes please) and I told my parents I was going to take a New York State motorcycle safety class however they are totally against me riding a motorcycle. They said that they want to buy me a nice car (Right now I drive an Envoy and they want me to keep it!), however I said I didn't want a car because college is in a year and a half and a car won't be necessary in New York City. So even if I don't get a motorcycle a car that nice for a 17 year old is totally unnecessary, but I'm very grateful they would let me have an Envoy.
The point is I'm turning 18 in November and they told me until then I couldn't get one. I question their logic because a few more months won't make me more mature. I've been a volunteer at the fire department for more then 4 years, have held a steady job since age 15....
I need some help in trying to convince them to let me get one. I would use it when the weather is nice only, and drive it locally (I don't live in a big village and there a lot of back roads and a lot of bike riders around where I live).
Can you guys help me make suggestions? Buying a bike to use it for the last few months I'm living home is pointless, however getting one now would be ideal because of I have two summers left of riding plus early fall and this spring.
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
One word: DONORCYCLE.
Being an organ donor on your driver's license is one thing. Intentionally becoming an organ donor is not as honorable.
Sorry to seem harsh, but just this afternoon I saw the result of a flat tire on a motorcycle. I've never seen someone fly through the air like that before. If I had seen it from farther back I would have stopped to help (if the person could even use help after that.) Unfortunately I was nearly astride him at the time and before I truly realized what had happened I was far beyond the point of return.
DeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5475 times:
All of my uncles rode Cycles at one point in thier lives including my dad. They all loved riding their bikes yet my father won't let me get a bike either. I don't really want one now because of what he told me and partly cause I have som common sense. My uncle was nearly killed in a Biking accident where a car pulled out RIGHT in front of him and he slammed right into the car. He was thrown off the bike into the sholder of the road. He was lucky he lived to tell about it. My father agrees that biking is a great thrill, especially riding along the Blue Ridge Parkway(Paved two lane road that runs along the tops of the Appalacian Mountains).
Riding is a lot of fun but it is extremely dangerous, even with a helmet on! Helmets protect your skull and only your skull. They don't keep you from becoming a paralized vegitable in a bed for the rest of your life.
Don't risk 1.5 years of enjoyment for the rest of your life. Most people never have a major accident riding bikes but then there are those who do. And it only takes a little accident to ruin the rest of your life. Hell, take the Envoy and go! If you are going to go to college in NYC then either get a Moped, for convenience and low costs, or take the Envoy for the ladies. Not a Bike...
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5461 times:
I worked as a firefighter/medic for a year and 1/2...most of the motorcycle accidents i ran on were attributed to stupidity. Also...kids with nice cars arent that uncommon...i see a bunch of rich kids driving around Phoenix in new Beamers and Lexii.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3231 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5418 times:
You are a mature 17 year old now (chuckle), but what happens in 2 or 3 years when you want to impress your girlfriend or your friends. You start drinking a bit, and then a bit more, and then a bit more still. Besides, you do not have to drink a lot to get drunk. At some stage or another your friends will want to see your drunk and spike your drinks with a double vodka.
Now before you start telling me, "my friends would not do that", they will do just that! Believe me, I have been in that position a few times.
When that happens you will want to impress people, and usually that does not mean you are doing anything smart.
There goes maturity. And when you are unlucky a whole lot more.
I can know, I was a mature 17 year old just 4 years ago. Now I know how to drink, and do stupid things! I may not have a motorbike or a car, but I have done a few stupd things I never thought I would do just 4 years ago.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5385 times:
A girl I worked with at a station in Dallas was killed last Thursday night just riding with her friends. She was a safe, competent rider.....she just hit a pothole the wrong way on an S curve. Into the concrete wall. D-O-A.
Mid twenties, great career, had just finished getting a degree. It's not your abilities or maturity that make motorcycles so dangerous, Panam....like aviation, it's the unknown variables. The unplanned.
I'd pass on the bike, at least until you're older and wiser, and age has determined the possibilities of some of those unknowns.
MaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5385 times:
that they have a program where anyone who's 14 or higher can respond on all calls however we can only be a level one. All calls medic and fire. For medic calls you have to be a CFR.
I've seen my share of bike accidents, however moreso car accidents.
NormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
Oh, I thought you were talking about my kind of bike, i.e. a mountain bike (bicycle), and I was going to say that it was very sad that you would be deprived of that pleasure. But you are talking about motorcylces, and If I were your parent, I wouldn't let you have one either. Having seen some of the moronic stunts being pulled by local motorists, I wouldn't want anyone of my relation out there with zero protection.
If you feel that you really truly want a motorcycle, wait until you are 18. But even then I'd still advise against it. That is unless you like the idea of being ER fodder.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5344 times:
Sorry pal, you're preaching to the wrong choir.
Basically there are two types of people who ride motorcycles: Those who have had an accident on one and those who are going to. I've seen too many motorcycle accidents in the ER to recommend it, some of them really bad who come to the ER with the hubris not to wear a helmet.
Take my advice: sell the Envoy and get a different Honda: A Honda Civic.
PS: if you still decide to get the motorcycle, PLEASE have the good sense to wear a helmet!
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
Hartsfieldboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 552 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5303 times:
Your parents probably think that if you are not mature enough to buy your own Envoy, then you are certainly not mature enough for a bike. They're right.
When someone else buys you something, most people don't respect it as much as something they bought themself. Your mindset will be (even if you don't know you're thinking it), "If a mess up this bike, my mommy and daddy will buy me another." If you buy a bike yourself, then you'll be taking better care of it and riding a lot safer.
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5297 times:
I wouldnt give you a motorcycle. In fact, I wouldnt want anyone in my family driving a motorcycle. The question is, "Do you really have a death wish?" Fact is, most motorcyclists are complete dolts and drive like complete a-holes.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5278 times:
Many of the nurses where I work call them "Suicycles".
I have a good friend who was hoping to be a career Marine. He was riding his bike, obeying the traffic rules, when a pickup backed out of a driveway in front of him (the driver "didn't see" him). He hit the side of the truck, landed in the bed, bounced out, and hit the asphault. They were digging asphalt chunks out of his hands. He broke several bones and for a while, they thought he might not live. But he did. The trouble was, he can't stand on his feet for extended periods without experiencing severe pain. Hence, he's not "battle ready", and it was "good-bye Marine career".
My brother in law was riding on a freeway on his bike when a car decided he wanted to take the next exit. My brother-in-law ended up sliding into a (fortunately) grassy area. The bike was pretty beat up, but he was just shaken.
My sister in laws brother was riding on a road, doing the speed limit, entering a slight curve. There was gravel - he hit it, went off the road, and hit a tree. He's a quadraplegic today.
All the safety courses in the world won't protect you from other drivers. Hitting a tree in a car, at least you've got some sheet metal protecting you. On a bike, it's you against the obstacle.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5276 times:
I think you guys are being just a little bit harsh on MaxPowers. From my understanding, it is him that is getting the bike, not his parents buying it for him. If everything he says is true, he seems like a responsible person for his age. However, I think it is also understandable that a parent wouldn't want their kid to have a bike, because they are very dangerous. But if your parents just want you to wait until you're 18, then so be it, that's not such a big deal.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
MaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5271 times:
Thanks for the disscussion guys,
However a few things. I know the dangers of a Motorcycle, there was an accident a few weeks ago where a guy riding a motorcycle hit a guard rail, and his hed got chopped off. However when we arrived on scene (it was a cold nippy but nice night) his blood quaglated very quick and it looked like someone made us jello!
I wasn't asking for a scared straight threat, because it won't work on me as I have seen some pretty shitty stuff in my life.
Is there any normal argumet I can give besides telling my parents that the hospitals need fresh and healthy hearts and lungs?
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5268 times:
At 17 you've got the mindset of "it'll never happen to me". Then it does. A lot of motorcyclists think that they are willing to "accept" the risk. But to them, the "risk" is death. Don't think about that. Think instead of what a bummer life would be if, at 18, you end up paralyzed from the neck down. All because somebody didn't see you and made a left turn in front of you.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5248 times:
The Shadow is a very nice bike! I admit, I once thought it would be really cool to have a motorcycle. I'd be happy with a 500cc bike, just to enjoy the freedom it could provide. However, I also admit I'm scared of something happening. I enjoy driving quickly (albeit responsibly). There are too many risks involved in riding motorcycles that I thought weren't worth it. But yes it is a huge thrill, and I hope you get that bike soon and don't run into some bad luck.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
DC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
Your parents are right, you're 17 and you shouldn't have a bike. I have friends who are 21-22 and they're real immature when they get on their bike, one of them has even had a minor wreck. These guys have been riding for a few years too. Just because you take some 2-day class or read magazines doesn't make you a good rider.
Bikes are very dangerous in the hands of inexperienced riders.
You should be thankful that your parents bought you a $35,000 luxury SUV to toy around with. If you want a bike so bad, go out and earn the money for it and don't bother your parents about it.
Dash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5206 times:
My dad has owned several bikes, still wants one at the age of 50! He too has had accidents, almost killed when a vehicle hit him and he went down a hill. Some people need thrills such as riding a bike like my dad, and sounds like you do to so leave him alone. He sounds like a crazy guy, but a mature, responsible one and that is better then most who get a bike.
25 Fokker Lover: The very simple answer to your question is, there is nothing you can say to your parents to change their minds. It's in their genes. They have an inhe
26 Dash8King: I still can't believe you get a new Envoy! Want to trade for my Scottsdale?
27 Jcs17: Heres a lesson on the safety of motorcycles. A 20 year old SMU student was killed less than a block from my parents house in Dallas on Friday. Apparen
28 Mika: Also...kids with nice cars arent that uncommon...i see a bunch of rich kids driving around Phoenix in new Beamers and Lexii. Correction: You see alot
29 Hartsfieldboy: Mika, there's a saying that goes along with your post, "Having money doesn't make one great, how you earned it determines your greatness"
30 MD-90: Yeah just don't ride your motorcycle at 1:00 AM off into 8-10 feet of water in Eckie's Pond. Of course first you had to practically throw your friend
31 JAL: You might as well wait till your 18 to get your bike. In any case, the Envoy is pretty nice car so why not stick with it.
32 MaxPowers: Guys, I'm looking at the Aprilia RS50 as well. I've ridden a 750cc so I can handle it...(meaning it's not a question of "if" I can ride it). It's goin
33 Goingboeing: You might find this sicker than a decapitation:
34 Hartsfieldboy: I can handle it Famous last words. Sorry, you're only 17. You DON'T know what you can handle and what you can't (especially if you don't know how to b
35 JBirdAV8r: I have to second Hartsfieldboy's comment. Even though I'm only two years older than you, I'm worlds more mature than I was 2 years ago (I know I've st
36 AA61hvy: I used to think like you Max Powers, I am only 19, and I don't think like that anymore. If you look on it from the outside, I think your opinion will
37 Glenn: Well 20 years ago I was in that position myself. When I moved out of home, I never felt the need to get one after all. Having seen what happens to Bik
38 MaxPowers: AA61hvy....did you read anything I've posted at all? Yes, I drive down the highway in my Envoy at 110 miles per hour. I hit the speed limiter and I al
39 Captaingomes: I alluded to this, and finally everybody got their answer. Max in fact wants to purchase the bike with his OWN money, but wants to get his parent's co
40 JBirdAV8r: Max, Seems to me like writing sarcastic, inflammatory responses like that underscores your immaturity.
41 MaxPowers: JBird, Maturity? Nice to know your innocent..."You're probably one of those asshole kids that goes rip-and-roar down the freeway at 110 miles an hour
42 JBirdAV8r: That I did. Did I write anything sarcastically? Negative. Did I write something inflammatory? Maybe that's up for discussion, but you've brought it on
43 Goingboeing: Christopher Reeve was brought into it because you are thinking that you might die or break a leg. Simply pointing out that even an "experienced" perso
44 MaxPowers: Goboeing... I don't know how to respond to that just because Reeve was riding a horse when when he got hurt. Getting hurt can happen a lot of ways, ri
45 Goingboeing: I would venture to guess that there are far more paralyuzing injuries suffered by motorcycle riders than horse riders. Just remember - if you're "luck
46 Captaingomes: I'm amazed by the negativity in this thread. This is an aviation website, not an Amish website where we shun down on some of the more adventurous aspe
47 Mas a330: Use a bicycle! How about a pink one with a nice little bow, a basket and a bell.
48 MaxPowers: I use my bike to go mtn. biking. Plus I got hit by a car (very minor accident) and I need to buy a new rim...had a few gashes across my thigh and leg
49 Mas a330: Heh heh... Well, i rode my bike down hill, and of all the times that the brakes could fail, it HAD to fail at this very moment and bam! I rode straigh
50 MaxPowers: I was lucky with mine, I was crossing the parking lot exit and a guy in a tow truck came out of the parking lot at a wreckless speed and he nipped my
51 Captaingomes: The worst that happened to me while riding my bicycle was years ago, when a roller blader cut me off. He was a huge guy, and I ran into him at a good
52 Srbmod: Maybe you ought to get something with a little less power, say something in the 200cc range; maybe the fact that the bike you want is such a powerful
53 MaxPowers: Srbmod, You might have missed it with all the death and how I'm an alcoholic chat... but I've been looking at an Aprilia RS50...its perfect for what I
54 Dash8King: LOL! Don't get a scooter! They are not the chick magnets that bikes are.
55 MaxPowers: I'm not getting a bike for anyone but myself. It's what I need and want. Plus it's very fun to ride as I found out on the test ride! Even though you d