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Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04  
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Love him or hate him Karl Rove is one of the best political advisors ever.

I have worked on Democratic Campaigns before in CLE, and you have to admit this a huge wall in front of the Democrats.



Even though Mr. Bush will not begin his formal campaign until after the convention, his political team is preparing to begin broadcasting television advertisements as early as next spring. By that point, the White House expects the Democratic candidate to be settled, but battered and sapped of money from the primaries, and thus unable to counter a Republican advertising assault.
- New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/22/politics/22BUSH.html?ex=1051588800&en=bf22a50f14a07b86&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE


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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

But remember, most Democrats are willing to put up just about any amount to beat Bush. After 2000, it became personal for a lot of people. Expect this election to drain both parties.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

Why do Americans get heavy with campaingning and advertising over a year before the election? Why can't they limit the debates and the advertising to the last few weeks before the elections, like most other countries? You might find that it will free up a lot of time for other, more important activities.

Charles


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

200 million bucks .... Well it looks like big biz likes what they put in the white house .....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

I'm willing to bet the $200 million is gonna be paid in Iraqi oil Big grin

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

9V-SVE,

Such statements are uninformed, unproductive, and simply idiotic.

Charles


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

He's right, 9V-SVE, we all know the money is going to be paid in blood.  Laugh out loud

By the way, Charles, you forgot "unpatriotic" and "anti-American".

[Edited 2003-04-22 08:28:01]


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Nuts,

I did not say those things because I don't believe them.

But there is no question that people who a) use patently false statements such as 9V-SVE's above, or b) try to wedge people apart using accusations and counter-accusations of "unpatriotic" and "anti-American", such as you, Nuts, contribute absolutely ZERO to the material debate, and in fact work actively to make matters worse.

Charles


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Conservatives also say...Can't you take a joke?

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Bush lost 1 election, now make him lose the next one so clearly that even and his and his Daddy's "friends" in Florida and the supreme court can't help him.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Nutsy,
the Anti-American thing won't work since -SVE is from Singapore. Of course, it hasn't stopped people from using it before  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Well, Bush raised some unGodly amount of money in 2000, and it won him the election only on the electoral side-he won enough of the big states to take the election.

Read an "unscientific" poll on AOL yesterday-but about 100,000 people had responded, and it asked what was Bush's #1 priority now that the war is all but over. The three choices were 1. Fighting Terrorism; 2. Fixing the economy, and 3. Rebuilding Iraq. Fixing the economy was, by far, #1 on the list.

I'm still convinced Bush will suffer his dad's fate if this economy is still a mess a year from now.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

All Bush had to do was win the electoral college. Popular vote does not count no matter how much the lefties might want it to.

[Edited 2003-04-22 15:36:02]


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Popular vote does count not matter how much the lefties might want it to.

No, what the majority of people think doesn't matter at all does it B757300?

Land of the free eh?


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Its amazing how the way a president is elected, that has gone on for over 200 years...based on electoral votes, and people are STILL crying about the 2000 election. People, get over it. What is done is done, AND Bush was elected fairly according to the constitution. I you do not like that, start pressing your Senators for change. Oh, and those outside the U.S. who like to chime in on this topic, like it matters what you will say....you won't be able to participate in the last part. Sorry about that.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

B757300, you really don't have an original thought, do you? Everything, in your whole existence is "left vs. right", and nothing more. This isn't about that, it is just a comment that the man DID NOT win the popular vote, but still won the election. That's a hard concept for many to understand, so don't vilify everyone who thinks it unfair.

I'm no fan of Bush, but under our system, Bush DID win the election fairly and sqarely. Every recount of Florida confirms that. But a president that did not win the popular vote does have something to prove in the next election. And, like I said, if the economy is still in the shitter a year from now, he very well could suffer his father's fate.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Hey Cfalk, it's called a sense of humor, see if you can't find one.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

I agree with KROC's statement.

BTW, how on earth is a joker like Howard Dean going to raise $20m, let alone anything near $200m? Maybe he should call up Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins ("Don't think meat, just throw!").



Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

KROC:

You have to understand that the Electoral College is NOT the real issue. The real issue is that Bush won and they lost. Period. Not the least of it was the tantalizingly narrow margin by which they lost. When asked about why, if they didn't agree with the system and the rules, didn't they change them BEFORE the election (which were agreed to by both sides), you will fall on deaf ears. They will say "But Gore got more votes". You know and I know that had the exact same circumstances led to a Gore victory, they'd be saying "But it's the Electoral College that decides the winner, not how many votes were cast".

So you see, it's all about winning and losing. Not the rules of play.



User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

The Dems have a lot of high-dollar backers, so I'm sure they'll get the cash they need to put up a fight for the White House. But like Alpha 1 said, the economy will pretty much determine what happens. As for the 2000 election, the irony is that all the pundits had predicted Bush would win the popular vote and Gore the electoral. They knew it was that close. Bottom line is our system is our system.

No, what the majority of people think doesn't matter at all does it B757300?

Land of the free eh?


777236ER, yes we are free, and we are a Republic. The majority popular vote by state matters, not collectively as a country. Do you understand now?



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Like the saying goes: it's not important what you say/do but how you say/do it.

Let the TV propaganda war start. Sigh

/Frederic


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Such statements are uninformed, unproductive, and simply idiotic.

Why, Charles? Because they're an angry, oversimplified manifestation of some smidgeon of truth?

You're a smart enough man to know how much money Bechtel has supplied the Republican party in the past 5 years. You're a smart enough man to know the ties Halliburton has not just to this Administration, but directly into the most pro-Iraq War heart of this Administration. You're a smart enough man to know the single biggest cash cow of the President's home state, and how much those closest to him and his family stand to profit off our strategic rearraingement in the Mideast.

You're smart enough to know why Saddam got bounced by 3rd Armor, and Kim Jong Il gets a hearty "hopeful signs" from this President.

You are, I'm quite sure, smart enough to know that the river is in Egypt, not Iraq. What you don't seem to grasp is how deeply you're sitting in it.

As to the post, hell, keep the bombs comin, 9V.....if that what it takes to crack through all that pre-stressed mental concrete, then target away.


User currently offlineHole_courtney From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

I think it's funny how a lot of people on this forum try to compare the United States to Europe. I think one of the many advantages this country has is that it's NOT Europe.

We do things differently over here, for better or worse. Americans revolted against British rule because they had grievances. We were isolationist, politically, for so long because we didn't want to become embroiled in European problems (i.e. World War I.) I should come as no surprise that the American political system is different from the Europeans', or even the Australians'.

live forever and stay beautiful,
hole_courtney



"[He] knew everything about literature, except how to enjoy it." - Yossarian, Catch 22
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Heavy, you're a pretty bright dude and I enjoy reading your posts even though I may disagree with them at times, but I can't believe how much blab time you're STILL giving this oil angle. As far as importance in the whole equation, I'd give it a 2 at best on the crux-factor scale, but you are one of the few holdouts who continually put it in the 8-10 range. You don't miss much, brother, but in this case, I'm afraid you're chasing your tail.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

The plurality have the right to their opinion all they want but when it comes to how the President is elected it does not matter. What matters is who wins the most electoral votes not who wins the popular vote.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
25 Post contains links and images Heavymetal : I 'preciate the props, Jet, but I think my argument will only become stronger with time. It got some unlikely support from Senator Richard Lugar, the
26 We're Nuts : Heavymetal '04?
27 777YYC : Howard Dean had better be able to raise enough money to put on a good campaign. He's free America's only hope.
28 777236ER : I have a feeling B757300 wouldn't have soo much trust and faith in the system if Gore had won the electoral vote, not the popular vote.
29 Hartsfieldboy : A: $200 million Q: How much money does it take to fool the American people that Dubya is a good President?
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