Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 23 Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
in passing DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). Gov. Perry still has to sign it, but that is a foregone conclusion. This act defines a marriage as a union between a man and a woman. It protects the state from the scenario of a couple of gay guys leaving the state to go to, say, Vermont to get a civil union approved, then returning to Texas as "married". Without DOMA, such a couple could conceivably (poor word choice?) receive the rights and benefits usually reserved for a more typical couple consisting of a man and a woman.
Nice effort by Christians to stave off the homosexual lobby and all inroads they wanted to make in rotting our society.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3223 times:
This is totally unconstitutional and unfair. You so-called "Christians" think discrimination and bigotry are such wonderful things? You ought to read your own good book more often, and leave the rest of us alone to live our lives in peace.
I've signed a petition lobbying Congress NOT to pass such an amendment pushed forward by the hypocritical, hateful Christian right. If there is any good left in this world, it will not pass.
Sleekjet, the only rot in this country is people like you and your mindset.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3186 times:
I thought that the only way you could "save" marriage was to ban divorces or make it really tough for horny straight people to go around cheating on each other. Therefore:
1. Behead those spouses who cheat (Henry VIII will be cheering in his grave)
2. Make every horny straight couple go through 2 years of marriage counseling before they marry. This includes watching "Leave it to Beaver" and memorizing all the cheezy lines.
3. Make all couples seeking a divorce spend time in a bootcamp run by Woody Allen and Mia Farrow in which both whine non-stop about each other.
Punish those straight folk who are out their defiling the insititution of marriage.
How can you "save" a marriage by banning it for gays? Gay people don't even have the right to marry? Talk about an idiotic misnomer by stupid people who have nothing better to do with their time but to bash gay people who actually want to start families. I've been with my partner for five years now, considerably longer than most straight people have with their spouses. Whether some dumb bigot recognizes it or not, is really not a big worry for me. I've ensured every single legal right for him that I can under current law.
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3174 times:
Jaysit, I agree with your post but disagree with what should be done. The only holy thing that I see could be done to save a bad marriage is "stone" the women. I agree with the rightwings on this one. Women are the 2nd biggest cause of problems in the world for men.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
I often wonder what scares some people so much about same-sex legal unions. Face it, bible thumpers, homosexuals are not trying to take over the world; so there's no need to keep trying to make laws designed to prevent them from doing so. Ten percent have been gay throughout human history, same with animals. End of story.
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 37 Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3114 times:
They forget that the leading cause of divorce is marriage! Who cares who the partners are. Are they devoted to each other and love each other and remain true to each other? If yes, then they are a married couple - gay or straight! Why even have the differentiation of "gay" or "straight"? Why not just plain "married couple"? Grow up, Texas and show us some of that "renown" Texas heart! Give these people a break and maybe society won't be so damn uptight about everything else! (But that's just my opinion - I could be wrong! )
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.
DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4969 posts, RR: 46 Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
In my country, Belgium, gay people are legally allowed to get married. Evern though I am straight, I am damn proud of that fact, and the fact that my country was one of the first in the world (the second, after the Netherlands) to get rid of this discrimination.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8478 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
Sleekjet, I think that the DOMA makes sense.
I've heard it said that for Christians, there's only one sole Biblical reason why you should get married. If you and your spouse can serve God better together than single, then that's the reason why you should be wed.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8478 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
You will also notice, that as a slightly general rule, you don't exactly go around seeing Christians say stuff like A crock of right-wing shit. Although Alpha 1 says he's a Christian...
Anyway, I have nothing against homosexuals. I have no doubt that if Jesus came back today he'd probably be more likely to appear in San Francisco than in a First Baptist Church like my home church. I simply feel that marriage is meant to allow for birth, education, and well-being of children, to protect women who have historically been slightly less capable of fending for themselves than men, and to allow the unique strengths of men and women to be combined into a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts. 2 men who aren't man enough to love a woman...married? Why? Because you think help legitimize being queer? I truly feel sorry for gays, male and female, and I don't wish to make their lives any harder than they already are.
Heavymetal, the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) cover only 3 years of Jesus life here on earth (excepting his birth). Even those are not very complete. We have no clue what all He said, but to say that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality is probably not true. Being gay was soundly condemned by the Greeks at the time of the NT, despite what historical revisionists would have you believe. Obviously, however, God didn't feel that it was a pressing enough issue to include it in the Bible.
777YC, no matter how many times gay activists spout the 10% theory doesn't make it true. Even today it's only about 1-2% of the population or so.
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
Perhaps the most ironic thing about this is that in Europe, many countries give gays the legal right to marry or have a civil union, one or two even accord the exact same priviledges, including adoption, but this doesn't seem to have any effect on society at all. Straight people don't feel threatened, you don't see gay men and women walking hand in hand and flirting their new found marital status on the streets (even though they have the legal right to), you don't see anyone complaining, it's as if the right to gay marriage didn't even exist.
Somehow the Europeans managed to get rid of their fears, and the result after legalizing gay marriage was decidedly disappointing, absolutely nothing happened. No social decay, no gay flaunting, men and women are still getting married, children are still being born, life continues as always.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
Anyway, I have nothing against homosexuals.
Sure you do, and that's why you support this crock of shit called DOMA. It doesn't protect marriage in ANY WAY. Heterosexuals have done enough to screw up the institution of marriage, but the right-wing nuts, with their usual need to blame someone, blames gays for the problems of wedlock, which, as I stated us a crock of crap. What has ruined marriage is the fact that so many straights get divorced, not because gays want to marry.
to protect women who have historically been slightly less capable of fending for themselves than men..
ROTFL. Yes, and they should walk two step in back of, and to the left of their all-knowing man, right?
These laws were concocted by extremists on the right, not to "protect" the institution of marriage, but to further try to keep gays "in their place" by making them feel inferior. That's all it's meant to do.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
"Nice effort by Christians to stave off the homosexual lobby and all inroads they wanted to make in rotting our society"
I don't understand how a self-defined Christian can say such a thing about homosexuality. To make things even worse, your profile says you are a teacher. Your religious thoughts about homosexuality are from the Middle Ages. It always supprises me how it is posible Christians in a modern and open country as the US, still maintain the same thoughts and ideas on homosexuality as those common a few centuries ago.
Over here in Europe many countries do give the right to homosexual couples to get married and to have all the rights and obligations two sexes married couples have. There isn't a single problem with it, birth-rates aren't going down and our societies are far from 'rotting'. Sure, many religious groups in Europe don't agree with that either, but none of them would go as far and low as saying they 'rot our society'.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4969 posts, RR: 46 Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3071 times:
but none of them would go as far and low as saying they 'rot our society'.
Actually, some would. But here in Europe, they are ignored and disregarded by 98% of the population, and rightfully so. In some parts of the US, it seems they actually help determine the policies, which is frightening indeed.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
Your religious thoughts about homosexuality are from the Middle Ages.
Schoe, fundamentalist Christianity, like Fundamentalists Islam or Judiasm, is stright out of the Middle Ages. It's an intolerant, vengeful brand of Christianity that is so out of touch with what Christ was like, that He, I swear, must roll His eyes sometime and wonder about these people.
Jesus said "Do unto others, as you would them do to you." But with these right wing fantatics, it's more like "treat those that you don't like in a way that you yourself would be outraged over."
They aren't Christian, in my view, in the true sense of the word. They hide behind their faith to promote a worldy, political agenda. I have no use for them.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3050 times:
"I've heard it said that for Christians, there's only one sole Biblical reason why you should get married. If you and your spouse can serve God better together than single, then that's the reason why you should be wed."
Now I've heard it all. So when Baptist Brad and Brittany are doing the happy 69 together they're serving God? So thats why people say "Oh God, oh God, oh God, oh God, oh God" as they're having an orgasm ! Thats their way of serving the Lord - together.
But I guess if they're not serving the Lord, then all those Christians who marry because they think their potential spouse is hotter than a George Forman Grill should be stripped of their marital rights. And as far as heathens and pagans and atheists are concerned, well, no marriage for them either.
Now that would truly "save" marriage. Or at least your warped definition of it.
Mbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2577 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
To quote Mae West: "Marriage is an institution and I don't want to live in an institution."
Sometimes I wonder what all the controversy is about. Is it about the word "marriage"? Is it the notion that gays are mocking straights by having ceremonies?
Sleekjet, you mention gays obtaining "rights and benefits" that you don't think they should have. What, specifically, do you mean by that?
Are we talking about health care? Tax breaks? Power of attorney? Health proxy? Inheritance rights?
Sleekjet, are you aware that if I found out that my partner had been hit by a car and was dying in I.C.U., that I would not be able to see him without having power of attorney documentation on my person?
My partner and I have paid thousands of dollars to lawyers to establish power of attorney documents, health care proxies, wills, trusts, etc. to protect us from a legal system that not only ignores our status, but would financially wipe out the surviving partner should one of us die.
You know, my partner and I earn healthy incomes and we pay lots of taxes. Taxes that in part go to programs that will never benefit us personally - schools, child welfare programs, tax benefits to married couples.
Is it possible for us to look at this issue in a reasonable and fair way?
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
MD90, most people don't get married to "Serve God". I got married because I happen to love the woman I got married to. I happen to think she's a great mother of our children, and I greatly enjoy our sex life.
If I serve God, it's not because I got married. It's because I live a decent and honest existence. That's the best way for me to serve God-by being that way. My marriage was consecrated on an Alter before God, but I don't see where it's serving God. And even if it does, who the hell are you, or Rick Santorum, or the Texas Legislature, or anyone else, to tell ANYONE what they can or cannot do in the privacy of their lives.
I imagine the next "logical" step by these Holy Rollers is to lock up any Gay people who dare say they're married, and who dare to have sex together. Far fetched? With these nuts running around? Don't laugh.
25 Aviatsiya: Welcome to America. Land of the free.....but only if you happen to be a white heterosexual Christian male between the ages of 18-65. I really would ex
26 Hepkat: Aviatsiya, indeed. I'm afraid that more and more I'm beginning to see just how incredibly intolerant American society is, to our unending shame. Of al
27 Jaysit: "Sleekjet, are you aware that if I found out that my partner had been hit by a car and was dying in I.C.U., that I would not be able to see him withou
28 TWFirst: 1) I'd like Sleekjet or anyone like him (unfortunately there are others) to articulate just ONE shred of logic that would convincingly illustrate how
29 Yyz717: I'm afraid that more and more I'm beginning to see just how incredibly intolerant American society is, to our unending shame. I'm not sure this is tru
30 Jaysit: "I'm not sure this is true. I'm always amazed how liberal, tolerant & diverse much of the US is." I agree. Of course, fringe elements always exist at
31 777236ER: Isn't religion great? Everyone has their own view of it!
32 Hepkat: I'm not sure this is true. I'm always amazed how liberal, tolerant & diverse much of the US is. The problem is that special interest groups (religious
33 Heavymetal: I have no doubt that if Jesus came back today he'd probably be more likely to appear in San Francisco than in a First Baptist Church like my home chur
34 Go Canada!: the christain right is going to have same explaining to do on judgement day with the way some of them carry on
35 PHX-LJU: Yyz717 wrote: "I'm not sure this is true. I'm always amazed how liberal, tolerant & diverse much of the US is. The problem is that special interest gr
36 Seb146: I and other gays in this country have though about marrying the opposite sex just to get benefits. No love. Just the piece of paper that says we can l
37 MD-90: Jaysit, marriage is more than sex. Alpha 1, I said it's the only Biblical reason, not the only personal reason. Psalm 133:1 How good and pleasant it i
38 Alpha 1: MD90, you do not HAVE A CLUE what God approves of-I don't care what the Bible says. To me, the Bible is a guide. To you, it is Literal. Take ANYTHING
39 AC320: I have G-d on my speed-dial he says he's cool with it.
40 MD-90: And I also don't think you're really saved, Alpha 1, but I don't go around spouting that off, now do I? You say too many mean things to too many peopl
41 Alpha 1: And yes, it is literal. It's called the Word of God. What part of that do you not understand? That is your OPINION, that is not FACT. I do not believe
42 We're Nuts: MD-90, have you ever read "Inherit the Wind"? And by the way, switch around a few words in your post and it could have come straight from Osama.
43 Ilyushin96M: OK, so which version of the bible do Christians take literally? When I was in college at Baylor University (which is Southern Baptist-affiliated), it
44 MD-90: One of my very best friends is a freshman at Baylor right now. She would agree with you about the hypocrisy. And the Bible versions thing is stupid in
45 Sabena 690: It is disgusting how some people can be sooooooo narrow minded. Am I straight? Yes. Am I homo? No. Am I glad that Belgium was one of the first countri
46 MD-90: And We're Nuts, no I haven't. I've never heard of that book/play.
47 Gc: First of all, once again, "Christian" has become a dirty word. Can we please look past Christianity and it's worst examples and have a bit of common s
48 Gc: Just to follow on, watch the People's Front of Judea colliseum scene in "The Life of Brian" where they are having a discussion on a man's right to hav
49 Gc: Sorry, couldn't resist. here's the script from the scene if you don't have the DVD: [Elsewhere on the stands, sit the terrorist organisation the PFJ.
50 Daedaeg: The fact is the vast majority of Americans believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman..not an opinion...a fact. So what is so shocking
51 L-188: Now I am trying to remember. Where they the people's front of Judea or the Judean peoples front?
52 Mbmbos: The fact is the vast majority of Americans believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman..not an opinion...a fact." Actually, it's still o
53 Heavymetal: DOMA is reflecting what most americans feel, protecting the sanctity of marriage. Once again, I ask.....what sanctity? That's the fine Doctor Laura an
54 Jaysit: "Jaysit, marriage is more than sex." I know. I've been with the same person for five years. I don't need lectures from cafetaria Christians on what co
55 Pilot1113: If you don't like the laws in Texas, there's 49 other states that could probably suit your needs. That's what's great about our system of government.
56 Ilyushin96M: Oh, yeah, that's the answer, Neil. If you don't like something in the state you live in, move. You would have everyone who doesn't like something relo
57 Heavymetal: You know, Neil, you're right. And in a way, those who live in less Talibanesque places ought to in a way be grateful for the fine bigots of Texas. Bec
58 Turbolet: What tolerance indeed! I'm sure many of you can understand why I so often wish I were straight. I'm gay, so what does that imply? No way I can legally
59 Gc: "I'm young. I'm gay. And eventually, I want to settle with someone with whom I'll have a strong, reciprocal bond of love. And I'd also like to share s
60 MD-90: Oh please. God wired their chemistry? God does not make anyone gay.
61 Heavymetal: God does not make anyone gay. That's not the message I got. But to each his own. As long as you don't attempt to force that opinion on me legally, we'
62 Ilyushin96M: MD-90: "Oh please. God wired their chemistry? God does not make anyone gay." So, when did God tell you this? What a presumptuous, uninformed thing to
63 Hepkat: God does not make anyone gay. Well just when I thought I'd heard it all. MD-90, what a presumptious statement you've made! As Illyushin96M has pointed
64 Pilot1113: >>Oh, yeah, that's the answer, Neil. If you don't like something in the state you live in, move.
65 Jaysit: Its not a question of "moving" because you dont like the State you're in. We are a UNION of States, not just a rag tag group of States like the politi
66 Turbolet: God does not make anyone gay. You just summed up why I can't believe in the Christian idea of God. He created us all, and chose the way we should be.
67 777236ER: MD-90 once again sums up why religion deserves to be confined to the past. He says "God doesn't make anyone gay" when he MEANT to say "In my opinion,
68 MD-90: I think homosexuality is a worldly perversion, and it's unfortunate that the people who are gay feel that way. Unfortunately, it's probably going to g
69 Hepkat: ...and boys growing up often don't have a father, and even if they do the man of the house may not be doing his job. I'm not a girl, so I can't really
70 Jaysit: "I think homosexuality is a worldly perversion, and it's unfortunate that the people who are gay feel that way. Unfortunately, it's probably going to
71 Ilyushin96M: MD-90, thanks once again for making a statement that shows how catastrophically and irreversibly ignorant you are. I am constantly amazed how the igno
72 Ual747: MD-90, Do a search for a thread I did called, "A Letter To My Therapist" a few months ago. Read it. BTW, has anyone noticed that sleekjet has failed t
73 Hartsfieldboy: MD-90: Being gay or straight doesn't matter. So why do you keep going on about how being a homo is wrong!!?? You say being gay doesn't matter, yet it
74 Hepkat: I'm straight, but I 100% believe in the philosophy that as long as someone doesn't deny another person their rights, they can do whatever they want. W
75 B757300: Anyone can go to Heaven, even if you are gay. You just have to accept Jesus' gift. Being gay or straight doesn't matter. Sorry MD-90 but on that I hav
76 Johnboy: Fundie Xtians....yucko! Thank God (haha, a pun!), they spout off so much, so that when The Day comes, we'll all know exactly where they are........(no
77 Ilyushin96M: Congrats, B757300. You get to be in the same disgusting, hypocritical un-Christian category as MD-90. You win the big prize. And I'm sure there's no p
78 Jaysit: "Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idol
79 MD-90: Ual747, yes I read your letter. B757300, yes I am quite aware of that. And finally, I believe that gay men are still boys who haven't grown up yet and
80 Ilyushin96M: MD-90, you could serve God and Jesus by resisting the temptation to post more of your fundie religious crap. Hell, that would serve all of us, as well
81 B757300: So using Viagra so a husband and wife can enjoy a perfectly normal part of marriage makes one a pervert? Please. Sex is supposed to be something for a
82 MD-90: Ilyushin, someone's getting a little defensive, eh?
83 Jaysit: "So using Viagra so a husband and wife can enjoy a perfectly normal part of marriage makes one a pervert? " No, and neither does reading the word sati
84 MD-90: And more venom from Jaysit. What else is new?
85 Ilyushin96M: Please continue on your self-righteous trip, MD-90. I'm sure your god is watching and keeping tabs.
86 Superfly: [spoken with a strong Texas accent] .......and them Gawd damn liberals from up north keep tryin' to tell us the arth (earth) is round. The arth is fla
87 MD-90: The Creator and Maker of everything is always watching.
88 Jaysit: More garbage from MD-90 of the "think after you type" variety. More selectively enforced religious edicts culled from one interpretation of the Bible.
89 Heavymetal: The Creator and Maker of everything is always watching. The 'Creator & Maker of everything' huh? HIT REWIND BUTTON BACK TO REPLY 60 God does not make
90 We're Nuts: And We're Nuts, no I haven't. I've never heard of that book/play. Fair enough, but I urge you to look it up sometime. It's quite famous, and I think y
91 777236ER: This has no correlation whatsoever to Islamic hijackers who think there'll be 77 virgins or whatever awaiting them in their heaven if they blow up inf
92 Turbolet: If one takes it dogmatically enough, as the Maltese Church preaches, a husband and wife are not sinning when they have sex only to produce offspring.
93 Superfly: The only purpose of marrage is to shut up the girlfreind and family from asking; "when are youy two going to get married?" It's a very annoying and na