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Regime Changes Always Turn Out Great For People  
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

I found this great article by a guy who is an economist.

He says the Iraq war was exactly what was needed and history says the USA was right every time they put in a regime change by the use of military force.

The only times "diplomacy by military force" failed was when there was no regime changes.

CID=1051-031703D" target=_blank>http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-031703D

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

"Server Error"... But even without being able to read that article, I'll argue that those enforced regime changes you mention always turn out good for the people - Latin America comes to mind. I guess Panama isn't that well off today, and the Noriega regime was put out of power by American military force.


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Does not read the article and has never been to Panama.

 Yeah sure

YAWN!



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Does not like what others say, does not care what others write, does not assume anyone knows things about places he has not been to.

 Insane

YAWN!



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Yeah that was kinda harsh. I'll admit.

I guess you were just collateral damage from previous posts!

No harm really. So, how was.......Panama?

BURP!



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

OK, granted.

As for Panama, try searching for the word on amnesty.org and NOT getting the same message as above - "server error"... A little too ironic, for my taste.

But as always, good old Google steps right in and here you go:
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/aireport/ar97/AMR44.htm

Concernin the majority of the people, do you know what "sweat shops" are? Dunno if that term is known widely, hence the question. Those are factories where workers - mostly female - work under conditions that every judge in the US or EU would immediately condemn as "inhuman", producing goods like sportswear for exactly those two markets. Most of them can be found in Latin America and Southeastern Asia. I wouldn't consider working there being anywhere near "well off".

That's why I argue the content of the article I've yet to find as Airworthy summed it up.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Thanks for the link.

No, not well off indeed. What's Amnesty International doing about it? Besides just talking?

ClipperH




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Hey, "just talking" is what most people are limited to. Amnesty is very much a lobbyist organisation for the rights and lives of the mischiefly treated, and their talking can in fact change things by bringing atention to them. Charity NGOs are way more capable of helping people materially, for they've got infrastructures for that. That's just not what ai is about; they're more like advocates.

Good night - it's 02:00 and my eyes are starting to get sore...



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

A.I. does some serious talking though. It has made quite a few government officials squirm.

Good Night Aloges!
Regards,
ClipperH



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Don´t wanna revive a dying thread, but truth be told:
The USA never had the slightest problem with dictatorships as long they acted in their favor. They even use(d) military force to bring or keep dictators to/in power. Panama and Guatemala are just the best known examples because they could free themselves after skirmishes (Panama) or full grown civil wars (Guatemala). Also Pinochet could not have stayed in power for so long without help from... well this could go on for ages.

Truly disturbing if that´s what an ECONOMIST article reads (still server error), if true they lost the last of of credibility.

Stratofish

P.S.: Before you start bashing me again, there are other countries as well which have (and had) disturbing relations with dictatorships although they can´t hold a candle to the US if it comes to political wrong-doings.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

OK, several US governments did indeed support Pinochet and the like. I don't want to advocate that, no way, but by doing this they were acting in accordance with the Truman Doctrine - which may have prevented a fair portion of the world from becoming a communist paradise for workers and farmers.

Let's face it, even though many on here, including myself, are very critical of the US and its foreign policy, we should at least acknowledge that back in the times of Pinochet, there was one central danger to freedom: communism. And the Soviet Union was certainly not unhappy with things getting easier for the spread of it when Allende came to power.

However, the American government could certainly have done different and a lot better when it tried to prevent communism from spreading - there are better ways than supporting military, read terrorist, regimes.

As for today's American government: it has yet to show its diplomatic skills. During the 2000 campaign, I remember hearing on CNN that this election would not be about foreign, but domestic issues. Also, they mentioned that people who were seeking a charismatic leader would rather vote Bush; but those who wanted a decent politician would rather opt for Gore. Bearing that in mind, the current polarisation and weak handling of international politics are not really a surprise.

regards



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

Regime Changes Always Turn Out Great For People

How about a "regime change" in the U.S. then?  Innocent

NoUFO



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

"Regime Changes Always Turn Out Great For People

How about a "regime change" in the U.S. then?"


HOW CAN YOU CALL FOR A "REGIME CHANGE" IN THE USA??!?! THIS COUNTRY IS RULED BY GOD, THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF THROUGH THE HANDS OF GEORGE W. BUSH!

I hope I don't have to put a million smilies for everybody to get it.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

NoUFO,

To bad regime change means for the most part a complete change of government, including the way of representation. Would you really like a dictator to take over the world's only super power?



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Here's the ad that got support for a regime change in Iraq Big grin:



User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

Well the last Regime change in America wasn't too favorable now was it

 Wink/being sarcastic

You know you President is gotta be lying when he tells the world that the Aussie PM is a top bloke.


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