If you read the article you will see that it might have been cheaper to have the President fly out by Airplane as there was ALREADY a squandron scheduled to fly out to the Carrier that day. Anyway read for yourself and make your own opinions but this one really pissed me off.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3104 times:
Personally, I want them to keep talking. The bigger fools they make of themselves the more seats the Republicans will win in 2004. If it goes well enough, we might even have a filibuster proof Senate.
Oh, and its always funny how a certain member of this forum calls Republicans, "Republikkkans" while the only known member (past or present) of the KKK that is in Congress is Byrd. What is more amazing is in 1999 he said "nigger" during a t.v. interview and yet the media never made a big deal about it.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3075 times:
Ah, yes, let's tell the Dems to shut up for DARING to question Bush's motives. I mean, he only had a carrier, full of sailors coming home after 11 months, take an extra day out at sea, so he could put on a flight suit, and land on a carrier.
But wait! The White House denies it was done for any political reasons or for footage for re-election.
How much you want to bet that it's in one of the first "Re-Elect Bush/Cheney" ads next year? Any one care to bet on that?
What a crock of shit. It was intended to make Bush look like he had big gonads, and to play up his role as C-in-C, nothing else. It was meant ABSOLUTELY to be a political "ad" for the upcoming election!
Maybe we should be asking why Bush is using our tax dollars in such a way.
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3067 times:
Those saliors most likely felt it was an honor that President Bush choose their ship to give his speech on. The fact that he arrived in a S-3 all the better. Frankly the military overall loves President Bush.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3063 times:
I don't give a damn what the military thinks of Bush, PPGMD. It's obvious that Bush feels the military is the most important sector of American life. I happen to disagree. The fact remains he spent taxpayer money for this re-election advertisement, and was showboating.
Maybe you think it's cool. I think it a claseless act by a small man.
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Hey! I think the Republican senators should shut up.
Hey all, here's a doozy story for all of you guys. Some democratic senator or representative or something along those lines named Max Kleelan (sp?), who is a democrat, and was in office for I believe a term if not more before the last elections, he served in Vietnam and got 2 of his legs blown off as well as an arm. Anyway, on those bashing commercials, some STUPID REPUBLICAN put his picture in a split screen with Saddam Hussein, saying that Max Kleelan was anti-american because he did not believe the war was just.
I don't care if you are a republican or democrat, if this story doesn't tell you something about politics, you have an IQ of peanut butter.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8039 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
Bush is the commander in chief of the military, it's his place to be on that ship. He's as much a part of the military as the people on that ship and hey- I'd fly an S3. Maybe he wanted to get back in a flight suit, he was a fighter pilot once.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
His name is Max Cleland. He awas a Vietnam Vet-he lost his limbs in Vietnam, but the GOP felt that, from his chair, he didn't Goose-Step high enough and salute Bush well enough, and became the target of an ambomnible campaign questioning his patriotism.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3041 times:
He's as much a part of the military as the people..
No, he's not part of the military. He's a civilian C-in-C. He's not military. Unless you want him to wear a military uniform all the time, is that what you want? That's the next step in the kind of militarism Bush is pushing.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
I care only to the point that he was using them to make a made-for-TV ad for next year. That's it.
As for the rest, the amount of militarism that Bush is injecting into this country-partly through raising up the military to unheard of hieghts, and partly through fear of another 9/11, is truly frightening.
I imagine, after he gets re-elected, he'll go around wearing his National Guard digs.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
I've been worried about the extreme increase of your insults towards Bush.
Debating about his landing on a carrier is simply stupid, and nothing but.
The argument about how expensive it was..................well, it's NO MORE EXPENSIVE, and probably much cheaper, to hitch a ride on an S-3 that was already scheduled to fly, then to load up a bunch guys on a big expensive chopper to fly out to the boat. Some of my best friends are in the armed forces, and they sincerely back me up on that.
The argument about the photo-oppurtunity............well, there really is no argument, because anywhere and everywhere the President of the US goes, is a photo-op. What's the need to point this out?
Bush mainly did this to show his sincere respect for the military. I think some of those sailors should walk into Congress and tell those assholes complaining about this to shut the hell up. I have no doubts that most if not all of the crew members of that ship were happy to stay onboard a few more hours to watch their very Commander-In-Chief land in one of their planes, on their boat.
And of course, Bush also did this for publicity, but what the hell is wrong with that? Every president in the US has done all kinds of things pertaining to publicity, and now since Bush is doing it, just like Gore would've done it, the lefties are whining and crying their little asses of. Talk about hypocrites.
I remember you said you would support Bush even though you don't agree with the war. I know no WMD have been found yet, but it hasn't been that long. Ironically, Bush's approval is rising, but you're approval has drastically fallen. Why is that?
I also believe the lefties are getting desparate and making even more complete fools of themselves, making cheap, hypocritical shots towards Bush, and they fail to see it.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2992 times:
BTW Alpha, don't take that the wrong way.
I still respect you probably more than anyone else on these boards, regardless of this political mess that's going on right now, and regardless of all the political threads on here to which our views might differ.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
NWA742, I politely disagree with your views on this one.
I think this guy is sending us places that we will soon regret we ever let him take us. He's instilled a sense of entitlement, of arrogance, of intolerance that is not what America is about. He threatens friends who dare have different opinions and views that his; he sits idly by, in silence, as acts of intolerance go on around the country; he continues a spirit of war in this country, and threatens still more nations in the process.
I don't propose that we swing, like a pendulum, wildly back to far left of center by electing a nut (or assortment thereof) like Sharpton, or Mosley-Braun or Kucinnich. But I am very worried as to how far we're swinging to the right, and what it means for the future of this nation and of the planet that we share with others.
America was not made to govern from either extreme, and, if you look through out history, we rarely have had that. We've flirted with it, of course-McCarthyism was a prime example of that, but look how it failed and the bitterness it left behind.
I'm simply saying that I do question the fact that he uses such a stunt as landing on a carrier-an overt move to gain nothing but votes and footage for TV ads come next fall. Is it now unpatriotic, or even worse, to question such a thing? I didn't think it was. But in the United States that seems to be forming under Bush, it seems more and more that's what it's becoming.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
BTW Senator Robert Byrd used to be in the KKK.
Frankly the military overall loves President Bush.
He's as much a part of the military as the people on that ship
Three seperate responses from people who just seem to skate merrily on by the fact that in 1968, George Bush Sr. pulled strings to keep his newly graduated son out of the 'war for niggers and rednecks', Vietnam, by parking his ass in the Texas Air National Guard (I guess the Connecticut Air Guard was plumb full up). And that for close to a year during that service, this frat boy pussy didn't even show up for duty.
I'm calling bullshit on all of you. If this pathetic record belonged to Clinton, Gore, Daschle or anyone to the left of Tom Delay, we wouldn't....hear...the....f**king....end..of it from you crass right wing apologists. As it is we heard 8 years of 'draft dodger' about Clinton just because he wrote back from England (where he was at ...school) to his draft board that he didn't agree with the war...BUT, in the interest of further ambition, said he would not object to being drafted. He had a high lottery number. End of story. And you people got 'draft dodger' out of that and for 8 years, the """liberal""""(cough..BULLSHIT) media went along with you.
In homage to the Founding Father's solemn and steadfast insistance that this be a republic governed by civillians, no President in modern history has donned a military uniform in an official capacity....even those who more than earned the right to, like Eisenhower who destroyed Hitler and Kennedy who saved his PT boat crew. And likewise, to their eternal credit, the United States Armed Forces, potentially the most powerful controlling force in human history, have ALWAYS acquiesed to the will of civillians. George W. Bush disgraced the military and the Presidency by happily climbing into a military flight suit that REGULAR people have to go through years of sweat , toil and danger to earn.
And his Administration LIED to the American people by telling us the Abe Lincoln was too far out for anything other than a dashing Tom Cruise-style arrival aboard the S-3. The Goebbelesque positioning of the supercarrier, her crew (crammed on the foredeck to give that impressive effect of 'the President' strolling alone triumphantly across those empty square acres of sovereign US fighting machine), the F-18...all belied the fact that had the damn camera turned 180, you'd see the skyline of San Diego.
L-I-E. Not about a blowjob to a 'special prosecutor'. LIE to all of us. And you shills bought it hook, line and drooling sinker.
I don't know what the f**k Senator Byrd was, what he belonged to, where he was born or what his favorite flavor of ice cream is. But I do know the guy has a look and demeanor about him that oozes time earned wisdom. And God Bless Him for, a man who's patriotism and devotion to America cannot be called into question, standing up and chiding this spolied brat egomaniac we have in the White House.
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
I think a former member of the military put it best:
Ha...you are right Jarhead, it was way super cool to see our president walking tall on the carrier. And WE put him there. From the welders that laid the keel of that ship...to the boys and girls that crew it, to the people that go to work each and every day, to pay the taxes to foot the cost.
I do feel proud.
I think the President is the right man for the job and one that I am proud to have an opportunity to vote for him in 2004.
At worst, you screw up and die.
25 Alpha 1: PPGMD, you have my deepest sympathies. And I'm not joking.
26 Travelin man: Hear hear Heavymetal. The fact that Republicans (I assume) would even DARE to tell Democratic Senators to "shut up" after what Clinton went through, i
27 PPGMD: And Alpha1 you have my deepest sympathies in 2004 when all you have is a lame duck to vote for.
28 Alpha 1: Who is this lame duck you're talking about, PPGMD?
29 RayChuang: NWA742, Great commentary by your post! I think the Democrats are just doing a major, major case of sour grapes because we have a President that is tru
30 Alpha 1: At the first debate last Saturday it was one of the more sorry bunch of politicians I've seen in a long, long time. Funny, I seem to remember hearing
31 IMissPiedmont: Oh please, perish the thought! Come now, is the trait purely a function of the party they belong to? I think not. They're all pond scum.
32 MD-90: The article clearly states that the carrier was not delayed at all, anyway, and that S-3 training flights were occuring as well. Personally, I'll bet
33 IMissPiedmont: "And let's not get into that political junta of Hillary's that require BOTH 707s just to carry all of her adoring admirers, press corps, and political
34 Jhooper: There is nothing wrong with what President Bush did. If this is such a big deal, then why don't people complain that the President uses Air Force One
35 L-188: Actually it shows how good things are in this country. Apparently the only thing that they have to complain about is a speech by the commader in chief
36 CPH-R: The Democrats have no clue of what to run for in 04. Yet, they still get over 40% of the votes, or at least they did last time I bothered to check the
37 I LOVE EWR: .. and for those who said that the USS Lincoln wasn't delayed by this photo-poop, I present you Nope read this... But both the White House and the Nav
38 Alpha 1: I LOVE EWR, it's pretty easy for the Navy and the White House to spin it after the fact. Plus I've never heard any Bush supporter give us any good rea
39 B757300: The Democrats have no clue of what to run for in 04. Bingo!
40 Alpha 1: Goodness, another well thought-out, intelligent, expansive, substantive answer from B757300. Of course, he may be indicative of the intelligence level
41 727LOVER: How many times did you nubag right-wingers bash Clinton? EVERY FREAKIN' CHANCE YOU GOT!!!! Hyocrites! All of you!!
42 I LOVE EWR: Alpha 1 said. Plus I've never heard any Bush supporter give us any good reason why the White House outright lied in saying the Abe was too far out for
43 Alpha 1: I don't think they lied though, I think it was an uninformed aide making a mistake. Another hypocrisy. Had something like this been done during Clinto
44 Heavymetal: Apparently the only thing that they have to complain about is a speech by the commader in chief on a boat that had just returned from a war he ordered
45 PPGMD: Alpha 1, I am talking about all the democratic hopefuls, short of a miracle none of them look like a good candidate at this point. Maybe someone will
46 PPGMD: Alpha 1, There are some similarities between now and 1992, but there are some major differences. As of yet there are no viable 3rd party conservative
47 PPGMD: This just in from the White House! Yes the S-3B was more expensive than flying Marine 1 out there, $7/hr more (just for the aircraft operating costs).
48 Heavymetal: This just in ffrom the White House When? Last time I looked, the White House refused (they like to keep secret anything resembling chit chat on budget
49 Alpha 1: Has the Iraqi Information Minister found his way onto Karl Rove's team? Nah, I heard he was going to represent the Cavaliers at the Draft Lottery on t
50 Corocks: "I'm sure the families of over a hundred dead Americans were just filled with awe and pride watching "the warrior" walk across that deck. Their sons a
51 Alpha 1: He can welcome them home for a job well done by flying out there on a helicoptor, instead of showboating for his re-election big with that publicity s
52 Heavymetal: Every single interview of a killed soldiers family that I have seen on TV has been totally supportive of the war and President Bush. Ther've been hund
53 Alpha 1: Go further, Heavy-ask them if it was worth bringing freedom to Iraq while our freedoms at home get cut further and further in the interest of "nationa
54 Corocks: Let's get the facts straight.... 1) Did not delay the ship for an extra day as they were going to wait so they could arrive on time and have all the l
55 Boeing757/767: Well said, Heavymetal. Families should be angry their loved ones died in an unjust, personal war for president (emphasis on small "p") Bush.
56 Alpha 1: Corocks, what would have been yoru reaction had Clinton done the same thing. I know what the reaction of idiots like B757300 and Jcs17 would have been
57 Corocks: I can honestly say that my reaction would be the same. I do not consider myself a Republican or Democrat as there are views in each that I support/dis
58 Cba: "Frankly the military overall loves President Bush." What about all those high-ranking generals that were deadset against the war in Iraq...
59 PPGMD: What about all those high-ranking generals that were deadset against the war in Iraq... The Generals my disagree on issues, but they still like him an
60 Alpha 1: Remember the military is there to protect democracy not practice it. Seems to me, they're being mis-used by this administration to protect the conserv
61 MD-90: I personally wouldn't have cared if Clinton had done the same thing. I would've been rooting for him to get to fly on an F-14 (D model, please). As st
62 Heavymetal: I've seen plenty of tv documentaries where journalists wear the same exact thing. Then again, you've never seen "Ted Koppel" stenciled underneath the
63 Dc10guy: If Sen. Byrd was in the KKK the republicans would love the guy. Hate is a family value Right ????
64 MD-90: Who's Ted Koppel? Too bad he's a Democrat, isn't it DC10? He sure ain't a Republican.
65 CPH-R: PPGMD, Love you too dear Please, you know nothing about me, except that I appear to be Left-wing (I actually voted Liberal at the last vote, but who c
66 Ilyushin96M: This thread is hillarious! The moron I LOVE EWR started it, as is typical of his stupid posts, by saying Democrats should shut up about Bush's carrier
67 PPGMD: CPH-R Please, you know nothing about me, except that I appear to be Left-wing I don't care how you vote, on either side of the issue when you make stu
68 CPH-R: Eh, what did the last sentence have to do with anything?
69 PPGMD: It has to do with this: Regarding Dubya wearing a flight suit, isn't it a bit ironic that he couldn't wait to get out of it during his time off from t