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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40212-2003May10.html

BAGHDAD -- The group directing all known U.S. search efforts for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is winding down operations without finding proof that President Saddam Hussein kept clandestine stocks of outlawed arms, according to participants.

The 75th Exploitation Task Force, as the group is formally known, has been described from the start as the principal component of the U.S. plan to discover and display forbidden Iraqi weapons. The group's departure, expected next month, marks a milestone in frustration for a major declared objective of the war.


The Age of Fraud rolls on......



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

That's just because they hauled everything to Syria and Iran. NUKE 'EM!!!

Signed,
Donald Rumsfeld



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

The hunt will continue under a new Iraq Survey Group, which the Bush administration has said is a larger team.

Of course you just had to leave out that part of the article.



[Edited 2003-05-11 20:09:33]


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

B757300,

The hunt will continue under a new Iraq Survey Group, which the Bush administration has said is a larger team.

Of course you just had to leave out this part of the article.


That way, we can "sport-bitch" and get away with it. Don't you know the liberal left doesn't want you to see the entire contents of any article, as it defeats their bitch position!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

I'm sure the "BIG" team will find the shit the "A" Team didn't.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

No way Heavymetal!



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Here we go again.

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

I vote we send (draft) Heavymetal (in a tight little FedEx Box with few air holes and no foam peanuts) over there and let him sniff 'em out (without an NBC, of course)!  Big thumbs up Nah! He wouldn't find anything - He spends too much time "sport-bitching" and creating imaginary people to argue with here on a.net (< cough > Mx Heavy < cough >)!

Wadda y'all think?

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Kinda goes against something that came out just only 4 days ago.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- About 2,000 more experts are being sent to Iraq to help look for banned weapons as well as regime leaders, terrorists and more.

The team is more than triple the size of the force now searching for weapons and larger than was previously described. It will be headed by a two-star general in defense intelligence, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

The Defense Department also confirmed it is investigating what officials said may be the most promising discovery so far -- a trailer truck they say could turn out to be the first mobile biological lab recovered since the start of the war to disarm the government of Saddam Hussein.

The rest of the article can be found here
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2003/may/07/050704966.html



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

In the interest of looking at both sides of the equation (and before anyone beats me to it)...

...headed by a two-star general in defense intelligence...

That has to be an oxymoron of the highest order (albeit below the penultimate oxymoron - Bad Blow Job!  Big thumbs up)...

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Send in Powell, he knew where they are back then at the UNSC.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13169 posts, RR: 78
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

More detail on the subject. (From a paper that supported the war before some of you ask).
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,953497,00.html


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Bush gambled with his presidency and lost. I won't lose sleep over it.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

The sites that have been investigated (and found nothing) so far were the prime candidates based on pre-war US intelligence. In otherwords, if we needed to look somewhere, it was here. This was the stuff General Powell stood before the Security Council on. This was the stuff that President Bush stoked our fears on. This was the stuff that Ari Fleischer stood before America numerous times and said "This is what it's all about."

This indicates one of two things:

a) The US has atrocious intelligence or

b) The US intelligence reports were 'cooked' to look more ominous.

It's all pointless now. Bush's War and the ghastly expensive aftermath that we'll be paying for for decades is fought. But this new information indicates to me that, with (so far ) a complete abscence of anything that could have quickly done harm to the American Homeland, Plan B was perfectly viable......the covert assassination of Saddam, his sons, & the overthrow of Saddam's rule by Iraqi opposition and exiles. It would have provided one one hundredth the drama on FoxNews, and there would obviously be no tailhooking.

But Halliburton, Richard Perle's Trireme Investment group, Karl Rove and Ariel Sharon would have been a lot less satisfied.

Perhaps the silver lining is the Bush Administration is making some mortal enemies at CIA.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Heavymetal,

To give your thread a little more credibility, and I know that the Bush-haters, like yourself, on this forum would never resort to seeing more than one side to this story, but one other possible explanation is that...

THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT MOVED THEM!!!!! Think about it as a credible possibility (NOT, gospel, merely a possbility! Can you do that?). If you have a government threatening to invade your country over WMD's and you are preaching to the world that you do not possess those WMD's and the government threatening you drags evidence of those WMD's in front of a world body, what idiot would leave them in the same place as the evidence showed they were? We all know that Saddam's word is his bond, right?  Yeah sure

I continually find it absolutely mind-boggling that some of us are so quick to condemn our own leader, especially in favor of the likes of Saddam Hussein. The same Saddam who cried that the US-sanctioned UN embargo was hurting his precious people that he held with such high regard. These are the same people who weren't allowed to get the foodstuffs being sent in for humanitarian purposes - Those foodstuffs were only for Saddam and his people (the minority group in Iraq). Now, we are quick to deride Bush for his policies but I see no such declaration from those same people towards Saddam. That is shameful! Bush may not be the leader everybody wants or respects but he damn sure deserves better than being rated lower than Saddam by his own country!

Personally, if they had found any WMD's at the sites our intelligence showed them at pre-war, then I would have been VERY suspect of their origin. The very fact that they didn't find them there does not mean they don't exist, they just don't exist where they were before we attacked.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Heavymetal:

"But Halliburton, Richard Perle's Trireme Investment group, Karl Rove and Ariel Sharon would have been a lot less satisfied."

You forgot to mention James Woolsey (former CIA boss and at the moment an 'adviser' to GWB):

"Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. The company was set up three months after the terrorist attacks on New York and sees the events and aftermath of September 11 as a business opportunity which 'offer[s] substantial promise for homeland security investment'."

"The involvement of one of the most prominent hawks in Washington with a company standing to cash in on the fear of potential terror attacks will raise eyebrows in some quarters."

See http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,953563,00.html for the whole article.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

MxCtrlr:

"THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT MOVED THEM!!!!!"

Remember Colin Powell's 'presentation' at the UNSC? Remember he showed satellite images of what he and his security agencies thought were mobile labs? The US had got many spy satellites, spy planes and spy drones constantly, on the lookout over Iraq. If they were able, like they stated, to track down mobile labs, surely they must have been able to track down where the Iraqi Government moved those weapons!

"We all know that Saddam's word is his bond, right?"

As things are right now, Saddam is turning out to have told the thruth regarding WMD's, something which can't be said about Bush!

"The same Saddam who cried that the US-sanctioned UN embargo was hurting his precious people that he held with such high regard. These are the same people who weren't allowed to get the foodstuffs being sent in for humanitarian purposes - Those foodstuffs were only for Saddam and his people (the minority group in Iraq)."

I don't know where you get this rubbish (Fox News?) but as a matter of fact, food distribution provided through the UN program was one of the few things Saddam did do pretty well for his people.

"Now, we are quick to deride Bush for his policies but I see no such declaration from those same people towards Saddam. That is shameful!"

What really is shameful is that you apparently believe those that critisize Bush over his policies somehow support Saddam. That's not only shameful, it's also very pathetic.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT MOVED THEM!!!!!

Now would you mind explaning how it's possible to move entire weapons of mass destruction programs to some ultra-secret location (presumably underground) or to some neighbouring country while under such intense international observation? Let's not even talk about American spy satellites. Do you really believe it's possible to transport hundreds of tons of equipment, dozens of warheads, hundreds or even thousands of barrels of highly toxic and deadly chemicals and entire laboratories with sophisticated equipment accross an international border without anyone detecting such massive movements? Such an event would require very careful planning and the utmost execution, dozens of specially equipped transport vehicles and months to complete, not to mention dozens of personnel. I really don't believe you're aware of the magnitude of what you're suggestion.

In my opinion, the most logical and reasonable explanation is that the weapons of mass destruction as described by Powell simply did not exist.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2105 times:


*Why would the Iraqi Government move something that they were unaware anyone else knew the whereabouts of?

*If they DID move them, it had to have been from one of these "high probability" locations pre-war (for the simple reason they aren't there now). If we knew the locations then, did we not track any and all movements from them?

I continually find it absolutely mind-boggling that some of us are so quick to condemn our own leader, especially in favor of the likes of Saddam Hussein.

I'll automatically assume that you didn't mean me. On this forum , you will find quite a lot of my opinions condemning 'our own leader'. You'll find no where I spoke out "in favor" of saddam Hussein (said we should shott the prick a coupla times, but no 'in favor').

I certainly HOPE you bothered to watch 60 Minutes tonight for a shockingly frightening Christiane Amanpour filed-story about a dilapadated bio"tech" lab in the former Soviet republic of Kazahkstan. It contains, among other things, finely refined anthrax and weaponized bubonic plague, laboratory engineered to be immune from antibiotics. These cultures, which were designed to infect quickly and finally, are stored haphazardly in a refrigerator that looks like it came out of the typical American college dorm room. But we're lucky. The fridges are in a room with a whole entire Master Lock protecting it. And the room is in a building with some barbed wire around it. Sleep tight tonight.

Nothing in the story about the Bush Administration trying to get the Corp of Engineers to move the renegade biolab from Kazakstan to Iraq, where I bet they wish it was tonight.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Heavy,

*Why would the Iraqi Government move something that they were unaware anyone else knew the whereabouts of?

One of my biggest complaints with the Bush Administration prior to the war, was the constant saber-rattling that was being done. It was driving the economy into the shitter FAST! At the same time, if I keep telling you, in everything I say and do, that I'm coming to get you, sooner or later you are going to think to yourself, maybe we better get ready, just in case he does come. There was no secret at the UN that we had this "evidence" and "intelligence", so there would be no reason to not expect the Iraqis to figure out that we had a good idea of what was being kept where. With the continual saber-rattling leading up to the war, we gave the Iraqi's ample time to move the WMD's and evidence thereof. Due to the pre-war tension, it is quite conceivable that our "intelligence" would not be first-rate.

a dilapidated bio"tech" lab in the former Soviet republic of Kazahkstan. It contains, among other things, finely refined anthrax and weaponized bubonic plague, laboratory engineered to be immune from antibiotics. These cultures, which were designed to infect quickly and finally, are stored haphazardly in a refrigerator that looks like it came out of the typical American college dorm room.

And we have college professors in this country, playing with and losing engineered biological specimens, of which, there is no current cure because it is for a disease we supposedly eradicated. That begs the question, why are we even working with such materials? We eradicated Smallpox and then some college idiot decides to culture some in an incubator to study it? Doesn't anyone think about the ramifications of those actions? How foolhardy can we possibly be?

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Schoen,

I don't know where you get this rubbish (Fox News?) but as a matter of fact, food distribution provided through the UN program was one of the few things Saddam did do pretty well for his people.

How many reports came out of Basra (on CNN, not Fox) that there were people in Basra and Nasariya < sp? > starving and warehouses filled with foodstuffs from the UN Oil For Food Program, not distributed? So, because it was reported on a US news source, its automatically "rubbish"? Not a very open-minded view.

What really is shameful is that you apparently believe those that criticize Bush over his policies somehow support Saddam. That's not only shameful, it's also very pathetic.

Obviously you, and Heavymetal, and others < ? > misinterpreted my statement. Just because you criticize Bush does not mean you automatically support Saddam. That's ludicrous! What I said was that we are quick to deride Bush (for example - "Bush hasn't found the WMD's so Bush is a liar and Saddam was telling the truth"). Its as if the only villain here is GWB. There isn't any other possible explanation for the absence of WMD's other than "Bush Lied!" Why isn't there some consideration of alternatives like Saddam hid them. Again, look at the above reply from me. In a pre-war situation, intelligence isn't going to be stellar. It would be naive to think that our spy satellites can preview every spot on Earth, which is why the SR-71 was brought out of retirement in the 1991 Gulf War, because there were holes in the sat coverage. All one has to do is go on the net and find what satellite is going overhead at what time. This isn't technology that wasn't available to the Iraqis, so why is it considered so far-fetched that Saddam could have hid the WMD's in other locations?

That doesn't mean if you bash Bush, you must automatically love Saddam - Nothing is further from the truth (and I hope I've made that point, at least). I just find it amazing that people keep up with the "Bush lied about the WMD's" and "Saddam was telling the truth about the WMD's" without any consideration of other reasons for the absence.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

MxCtrlr, here's a question I'd be willing to bet you can't answer: why? Saddam knew he was no match for us and that his days were numbered. So why bother moving anything?


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Why bit use them??

Maybe because he doesn't have anymore?



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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

MxCtrlr, here's a question I'd be willing to bet you can't answer: why? Saddam knew he was no match for us and that his days were numbered. So why bother moving anything?

Maybe his final "F**k You!" to GWB? I'm not saying it's fact and never have stated this as fact. I'm just proffering another possible reason WMD's haven't been found yet.

It seems that everyone is quick to say "Bush lied and Saddam was telling the truth" without even considering for a moment that maybe another possibility exists - The WMD's got hidden before the war started (or VERY early in the conflict). That's all. Is that so implausible? Is that so impossible to concede as even a possibility? If so, it speaks volumes for the Bush-bashers. It says, they won't listen to any reason opposing their unabashed hatred for our current President and that is, as Schoenorama said in response to my original post, "That's not only shameful, it's also very pathetic."

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Bush had motive to lie - Saddam didn't. That sums it up for me.


Dear moderators: No.
25 Racko : The thing the US claims that they could locate WMD when the Iraq was controlled by a totalitarian regime. Now they have complete control over Iraq and
26 FDXmech : >>>Bush had motive to lie - Saddam didn't. That sums it up for me.
27 Schoenorama : MxCtrlr: " How many reports came out of Basra (on CNN, not Fox) that there were people in Basra and Nasariya < sp? > starving and warehouses filled wi
28 Petertenthije : Why would Saddam have moved the weapons abroad? I mean, I know they won't be found there, but Saddam would have needed these weapons during the war. I
29 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Folks, don't get me wrong. I am a backer of Bush but that doesn't mean I blindly follow his political views. I am against the government intrusion int
30 Schoenorama : MxCtrlr: " The possible thinking would be that, once Iraq was overtaken, if no WMD's were found, Saddam would have a good case before the UN (assuming
31 N79969 : The weapons exist and they will be found. Bottom line. Saddam killed the Kurds with something other than bullets in 1988. The UN (even before Bush) pa
32 Post contains images MxCtrlr : N79969 is correct on this one point: Saddam killed the Kurds with something other than bullets in 1988. The UN (even before Bush) passed 14 or 15 reso
33 Heavymetal : Why would Saddam cripple his country's economy if he had no WMD? In that question, you make two assumptions, both precarious: 1) You assume he cared.
34 Post contains images MxCtrlr : You're right, En. We could still find the 'motherlode'. Caverns full of deadly botulinium, perhaps a long lost subway station crammed with sarin barre
35 N79969 : HM, Implicit in your argument is that a fraud has been perpetrated and is about to be revealed. I don't think that is the case. The world had evidence
36 Post contains images 727LOVER : I hate Bush, but I'm reserving judgement until about a year from now. If they haven't found ANYTHING by then....... Oh and Matt D, B757-300, MxCtrlr,
37 Post contains images MxCtrlr : 727LOVER, Oh and Matt D, B757-300, MxCtrlr, Jcs17, FDXmech, if nothing has been found in a year's time, I will assume that since YOU ARE fairminded, y
38 727LOVER : MxCtrlr, I DO believe you are fair minded, I don't know about the others guys. I already here Pat Buchanan saying that Bush got BAD info from the CIA.
39 Post contains images MxCtrlr : I already here Pat Buchanan saying that Bush got BAD info from the CIA.. But then again, what mainstream person with more than two neurons to rub toge
40 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : N79969: "The weapons exist and they will be found. Bottom line." Let me guess, you work for the NSA, don't you? "Saddam killed the Kurds with somethin
41 Post contains images MxCtrlr : " If WMD's are found, then the world sees this Adminstration is a slightly different light (although, I truly doubt many, if any, would see Bush as a
42 N79969 : Schoenorama, NSA?? What are you talking about?
43 Post contains images Schoenorama : MxCtrlr: "Where in my statement did I say that you should refer to Bush as your leader? I said a leader The world reference is for yourself and others
44 N79969 : Yes, I know what it stands for. I did not understand your meandering, seemingly pointless rant. Why would anyone need to work at NSA to understand the
45 Schoenorama : Only you and the 'pre-war' Bush Adminstration seem to be convinced Iraq does have WMD's. Although lately the Hawks in Washington aren't talking much a
46 N79969 : When evidence is found, you will be nowwhere to be seen or heard other than to concoct some lunatic conspiracy theory.
47 Mandala499 : Let's not say it's there or not... we won't know until they find it... Now, WHAT IF THERE ARE NO WMDs ? What would/should the US do next to/in Iraq? I
48 Schoenorama : N79969: "When evidence is found, you will be nowwhere to be seen or heard other than to concoct some lunatic conspiracy theory." You've never heard me
49 Alpha 1 : I'm willing to give a little leeway here, folks. Saddam had 12 years to hide, bury, destroy, ship out, anything he might have had-and I have absolutel
50 Bobrayner : Didn't the Bush administration, immediately before the war, claim to have specific knowledge of some Iraqi CW stores? ISTR 20 tons was the amount quot
51 Post contains links Heavymetal : If come, oh, say August, Bush is still saying, "Well, we haven't found them yet,but we will...",then the argument has lost all credibility. We're alre
52 Schoenorama : Alpha 1: "But how much patience do you think Bush thinks the world will have on this? After all, the U.S. said there was concrete evidence they existe
53 Keesje : - WMD are not found - Saddam is making new plans in a villa somewhere - Iraqies are killing each other and want an Iran like government - the free pr
54 Goingboeing : Yeah, but didn't it just feel so good to turn parts of Iraq into a glass parking lot?
55 Ilyushin96M : Goingboeing, I hope you're not serious. In case you never watched the news coverage of the bombing, nukes weren't used. And anyone who feels good abou
56 Goingboeing : Not to worry IL96 - I thought and still think that the US invasion of Iraq was wrong. IMHO, "turn them into a glass parking lot" is what most of the "
57 Schoenorama : Goingboeing: "Freeing the Iraqi people certainly wasn't the driving force behind their support of the war - but it sure made it easier to justify the
58 Andreas : Here it comes...just a little pushing up!!!
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