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Are Volkswagens Unreliable?  
User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Hello all -

I like VWs. Always have. Now especially, VW powered by the 1.8T motor or the new 24V VR6. My friend and I are having this argument...he says that the new VWs are crap, with window problems, ignition coil problems, and general lack of customer service. I tell him that for all of the bad VWs he hears about, there are many more that are problem free. What do you guys think?

If you own a VW, do you like it?

If you know someone that does, do they like it?


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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

I would be very skeptical of this.

It's hard to imagine a sudden slip in VW quality control; and they have historically done well in reliability surveys.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

I had a VW Polo and now I have a VW Golf, I was and I am very satisfied with VW, never had a problem with both cars. The only problem is that VW is very expensive here in Germany.

Patrick


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

VW's are renowned for their build quality. However, build quality should not be confused with reliability. VW's are most certainly not unreliable, but their image is rather better than the reality. Even so, they aren't bad at all.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

You might check out edmunds.com in the town hall section - there are many discussions from owners of VW's and Audi's out there. The overwhelming number of negative posts caused me to change my mind about getting a VW. Bear in mind that these owners mainly in the USA, and there have indeed been some quality issues in VW's headed for the States.

User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

It's German so it must be good!
Nothing like a German car made in Mexico and driven by an American. Everybody's happy!

Right?



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Nothing like a German car made in Mexico and driven by an American. Everybody's happy!

Not to be picky, but I see an awful lot of Chevy Suburbans driving around my area, and 70% of those are built in Mexico...


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

I think you can be picky it's true! Nothing like a Mexican made car driven by an American. At least someones happy.  Smile


"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

I love my Jetta but it has had many annoying minor problems that seem to be the result of cheap materials or bad workmanship. The window lifters on both front windows have failed several times, thermostat was bad, the armrest storage assembly disintegrated, and some of the plastic is molting. I like VW customer service though.

Although I have not experienced it, the ignition coil problem is very serious. It was even picked up in the NYTimes. Some people had to wait weeks before replacement parts were available for their cars.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I've got my Volkswagen for almost ten years now and the only non-scheduled repair was a new oil pressure measuring device for 150 Euro (i.e. about the same in $) two years ago.

The next car I'll buy this fall will be a Volkswagen.  Big thumbs up



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined Mar 2001, 529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

The reliable of any car depends how do you use the car!
In Tommy's survey, The results are shown below.
If you're one of those people who uses automatic car washes.
If you never wash your car.
If you never polished/wax your car.
If you have crashed a car (minor scratches or crashes also counts as a crash)
Never pay Insurance or road tax premiums.
Show off person (customised cars etc)
Fast drivers (driving over 70mph).
If you drive like a lunatic (not following the rules of the road)
Fined for speeding, parking etc.
Not servicing the car as recommended by the manufacturer.
Using Leaded petrol on unleaded petrol powered cars.
If you parked your car in the middle of 2 parking spaces.
Not checking the levels in the engine regulary.
If you're a builder!

If you do anything above the car will only last for a maxium of 4 years!
you can get information looking after you car at
http://homepage.eircom.net/~lmfcc/index.htm

BA028_Is_EI-CDF  Smile

Hope you uderstand this! Big grin

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7784 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Places like Epinions or Edmunds where people go to gripe is the worst place to get unbiased opinions about any product. In general I would say VWs are pretty reliable, not bullet proof like Toyotas or Hondas, but certainly better than anything Korean, and most of the US makers product. The coil packs on the 1.8T have been an ongoing problem, but it appears that a resolution has been found, and it only affects a specific number of vehicles. New builds will incorporate those changes. I think that the weak link for VW in NA is the dealer network... as the volume increases and they move upmarket many dealers are struggling to meet demand with larger and better staffed service departments.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Although I will say you will have problems with any car, I have heard more problems with VWs then average.

User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I have had quite a few VW's and Audi's in my company and they must be the only brand with which I never had any problems !

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineMaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

We own a VW Passat 1.8 turbo 2001.5 model.

Let me tell you something...over 35k miles this year and she's runnin strong as ever. I have had not one problem with it. Granted, there were some coil pack issues with other VW's...but it hasn't hit my car.

I think it's hit or miss with alot of cars now a days..

Max Powers


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Let me tell you something...over 35k miles this year and she's runnin strong as ever.

I'd hope so. 35K miles is pretty low by today's standards.

I've seen Volvos with nearly 300K miles, now thats something pretty amazing.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6615 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Hi MaxPowers,

I also drive a 1.8T Passat, although from 2000. I have found it to be a very reliable and nice car. For the price it handles like a car worth twice what I paid. The driving is smooth, quiet, comfortable. I have absolutely no regrets buying it whatsoever.
Many of the parts are Audi parts which has a much better reputation than VW, although VW deserves much better than it has. Having said all that, I think my next car will be an Audi.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Thirty Five K this year? MaxPowers, I am humbled, I thought my 17K this year was high. If I drove that much I'd sure spring for a VW myself, if they still made the pickup anyway.

I have yet to meet a VW that was not rock solid and almost impossible to kill. A very well designed car in my opinion, a true 300000 mile vehicle if cared for a little.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

My 1997 Jetta TDI has been nearly bulletproof, with only a battery that went in the first 2 years, and a power steering reservoir which broke and leaked power steering fluid in my garage, rendering the car undriveable due to no fluid in the power steering. For 5 and a half years and 190,000 km, I'd say that's pretty damn good!

My dad has a 2001 Passat 1.8T, and the only 2 problems he's had were a stuck button on the radio (the dealer replaced the radio unit), and an engine temp sensor. That in 2 years and 60,000km. Again, not bad at all!

I'd say both cars are proving to be very reliable. Problem areas overall though? VW's had the coil-pack issue which was major, and took a while to resolve. But VW made car payments for any time the customer's cars were in the shop, provided rentals, and got the work done. The power windows affected Jetta's, Golfs and Beetles from 1998 to about 2001, and VW replaced the regulators and put on a 7 year warranty on those parts. However for the most part, VW's have many small annoying problems, from interior parts breaking, light bulbs going out, etc. Otherwise, their bodies are exceptionally strong, engines and trannies generally also very strong. They are cars built to last a long time and be safe in an accident.

VW's are more expensive than the Japanese and American competition, but they are very well equiped, and great fun to drive.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I should also add, that if you want to get to the best discussion board concerning VW's on the net, go to http://www.vwvortex.com It's the airliners.net for VW's!  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineMaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Flight 152.....

I put 35k this year....it was brand new when I got it. I think 35k in one year is quite impressive....granted it's all highway miles but still it's asking alot from a car when some people have 35k total on their car in 3 years....


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Let's face it, 35k miles per year is very high, and if that year goes by without any serious problems, that's a good thing. Of course a car will go much more than that in a lifetime. I like to see how a car behaves beyond 100k miles, because that's where serious weaknesses in cars really show up, from blown head gaskets, transmissions and other big ticket items. For the most part, VW's are very durable in that respect, where the same cannot be said for many other cars that are reliable in the first 100k miles.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineStarship From South Africa, joined Nov 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Well I just bought my 7th car - a 1973 Volkswagen 412LE Variant. It's in very good condition for a 30 year old car, but it is due for a number of modifications.

I will be fitting a set of Porsche 944 mag wheels, 205/60 VR 15 tyres and upgrading a number of other things. Finding parts for it has been a real challenge. Without the internet it would have been impossible, but modern technology has enabled me to locate everything I wanted for the car. It has now done 138,000km and I know one person who did 550,000km in his Type 4 before selling it.

Having owned two of these cars previously, I had no hesitation in buying another. However it was a bit of a shock getting back into one after 18 years. Wow, how things have changed! Styling wise I think the 412 has held up pretty well, but in every other respect from handling to brakes to comfort to noise, modern cars are streets ahead. Fortunately many of the 412's bad features can be sorted out, but at the end of the day it remains a thirty year old car.




Behind every "no" is a "yes"
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

I have a 2000 Passat 1.8T. Its a great car, I love it. I'm very glad I picked it (test drove about everything from the Toyota Camry to the Mercedes C-class). Although, I have had my share of problems with it. More things have broken than I would've liked but service and warranty has treated me well so I know that I would definately get the Passat again if I had to make the decision.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

But MaxPowers di say 35K this year. 35000 kilometres is still about 22000 miles and since the year is only 5 months old, that is about 53000 miles per year.

And, Flight152, my 1977 Ford F-150 has 378216 miles as of tonight. That is a mere 14500 or so per year. Besides the carb it needs, it still runs quite well. I'm reaching for the Lunar round trip with it. I'll die first but it's a good dream to reach 450000 miles, isn't it?



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
25 AWspicious : Volkswagens have a somewhat better than average reliability. However, as mentioned above, it depends on how the car is cared for. My 1992 Passat Syncr
26 MaxPowers : IMissPiedmont, I'm American. Here in the US, (k) attached to a number is an abbreviation for the numerical term thousand. 35k miles means 35,000 miles
27 Marcus : Not to be picky, but I see an awful lot of Chevy Suburbans driving around my area, and 70% of those are built in Mexico... ***************************
28 Post contains links MD-90 : http://www.thecarplace.com/03vwcon.htm Why Robert Bowden likes the New Beetle Cabrio, but wouldn't buy one because of VW's slipping reliability. http:
29 Post contains images IMissPiedmont : MaxPowers, I did not bother to check your profile before responding, I was taking the lowest possible number to make my point. Of course if I had enga
30 MaxPowers : Sadly Yes...and it's only gonna get worse. But at least the gas mileage is good at 33 miles per gallon on the highway with the 1.8... Max Powers
31 UPSfueler : I have a 99 Jetta and it has not given me 1 problem yet. I love my car and would not trade it in for anything else. UPSfueler
32 Jcs17 : I believe most VW's destined for the US arent even assembled in Germany, they are built in Puebla, Mexico.
33 Captaingomes : Jettas and New Beetles are assembled in Mexico. Golfs are assembled in Brazil. Passats are assembled in Germany.
34 Gr325 : I bought a VW Golf a few months ago. It is from 1986 and a beautie. Good engine, not start problems. Working fine. And I can recommend it to everyone.
35 Buckfifty : I'm one of those people who had a really bad experience with my 2000 GTi VR6. Just about everything imaginable broke on it (window regulators, 2nd gea
36 Captaingomes : Buckfifty, unfortunately when the new Golfs, Jettas and Beetles came out, the first few years were really bad. The quality in some respects was beyond
37 Buckfifty : Hey Gomes... I think we had this conversation before, because it seems a bit deja-vu. You in any of the Toronto area VW clubs? Or do you surf the VW s
38 Captaingomes : fifty, I agree, I sound like a broken record, I haven't really said anything new in this thread that I haven't in other threads. Sorry about that! I d
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