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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

The three-day G-8 meeting concluded Sunday just as it had begun: amid violence that devastated broad swaths in Avian. Official estimates indicate that repairs for the streets, shops and banks, which were damaged or torched, will run near $50 million. Way to go again protestors always showing their true colors, not only do they protest against capitolism but they'll loot your shops too.




"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Once again, you're mixing everything.
In every huge public meeting you have people who use it as an excuse to destroy what they can, and there are always people who say that it shows the real color of the protestors.


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

And once again Seb you'll make up excuses for people who break the law, loot, steal, damage property and injure authorities.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

In Lithuanian history it never happened that protestors would turn violent and destroy or torch anything (excluding themselves). It is just unimaginable from me that protestors could destroy everything in the way as we frequently hear in media. Such things doesn't happens here not only in protests, but also after football or basketball matches. So, I guess it depends on country actually.

[Edited 2003-06-02 14:47:36]

User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Most of these guys are not protestors but just hooligans. They don't protest against anything they just take every oportunity they can to wreak havoc. I'm 110% behind the police whenever these kind of "demonstrations" occur.

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

"....not only do they protest against capitolism but they'll loot your shops too."

Capitolism: Does that mean these people are against The Capitol?

By the way, its Evian, not Avian. If you want to be taken serious, the least you could do is spell foreign places correctly.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2001 times:

Well, clearly, the solution is to banish protests altogether. As a matter of fact, an argument can be made that even the protestor's spoken opinions cause damage and therefore should be outlawed.

Would you prefer we impose severe prison terms for any individual who speaks out against the G-8? At the very least, we could be photographing these people (all of whom are badly-behaved looters, not doubt) and keeping tabs on them.

After all, if those protestors are "showing their true colors", why not show yours?


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1988 times:

Galaxy - if they would protest for something YOU want (the re-election of bush for example on which you are waiting), damage would of course be no problem.

But now you make a problem of it: the same happens for example in football. In EVERY football match/protests/..... you have people who are not there because they sympatize with the protestors, but just to cause troubles. What happens than is that due to those people, the police starts repression, and so more and more people are incited.

As a matter of fact: sometimes, a normal protest doesn't change anything, and if people are totally becoming desperate, it is perfectly explainable that things like this happen, which does not want to say I agree with them (I am against unnecessary violence like this).

Oh, and of course the sensation press will only show people who are breaking the law, while they are only a small minority. The problem is that we, if we look at tv, always get the impression that EVERY protestor is breaking the law, which is of course not true.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1989 times:

A rather simple solution here....let the protestors know that if they begin destroying property, the police will be using real bullets. I guarantee you that Anarchist Loser (even lower on the food chain than someone who believes that Communism is an effective economic policy) will not destroy anything.

Schoenorama, nice condescending attitude there. Just what many Americans have come to expect from some Europeans.  Yeah sure



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1986 times:

You know, there are major anarchist organizations that plan all this rioting and looting, hundreds and thousands (I don't think anyone knows of the exact number) of them travel around the world just to create, well, anarchy.

Most of the time, the majority of the protestors only stand there with pickets and just generally bitch about things, while the anarchists go and throw Molotov cocktails to incite the police and the crowd.

Blame them.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1978 times:

I hope Cfalk is weathering the storm ok.

But that SIG the government gave him, should help keep the rioters from spreading into his home.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1973 times:

While there's no excuse for violence, the reasoning behind the geniune protests is pretty valid. Consider how much money GlaxoSmithKlein, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer etc make every year, and consider how many people don't have drugs for HIV/AIDS or malaria.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

Consider how much money GlaxoSmithKlein, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer etc make every year, and consider how many people don't have drugs for HIV/AIDS or malaria.

Are you saying that companies should put out a product for free?





OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1959 times:

Are you saying that companies should put out a product for free?

Given that a kid dies every second from malaria in Africa, how ethical is it for companies like GlaxoSmithKlein to price poor countries out of certain drugs?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1953 times:

So you are saying they should price drugs below cost then?

Not good for long term buisness viablity.



Like it or not, drug companies are not non-profits.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1948 times:

Give me a break, 777236ER. Do you know the amount of money the taxpayers of America pour into these HIV ravaged nations only to see ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS in the fight against these deadly diseases? When we just hand money over to these nations, the only place where our money is going is into a despotic ruler's pocket. It doesnt go to the people who need the money most. I would feel so much better (although I dont think that our taxes should even be used for this purpose...it is what charities are for) if the government gave grants to Glaxo/Smith/Kline, Pfizer, etc. to do more research on drugs to combat these diseases.

You are forgetting that these are private companies...they are out for profit for themselves and their shareholders...and rightly so.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1948 times:

Given that a kid dies every second from malaria in Africa, how ethical is it or companies like GlaxoSmithKlein to price poor countries out of certain drugs?

777...There is nop profit to be made in a cure. Yes that sucks, but thats the way of the world. Until the world revolves around something other than money, this is how it will always be.

Who's to say that one of these company's has a cure for AIDS, or whatever, but is with holding it, because there is uch more money to be had in the tons of drugs those afflicted with such diseases take everyday? Definitely a sad thing.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1945 times:

777...There is nop profit to be made in a cure. Yes that sucks, but thats the way of the world. Until the world revolves around something other than money, this is how it will always be.

Which is a shame. To sit back and declare that the world sucks and there's nothing we can do about it is a bit defeatist though.

Give me a break, 777236ER.

Ooooook.

Do you know the amount of money the taxpayers of America pour into these HIV ravaged nations only to see ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS in the fight against these deadly diseases?

Do YOU know how much money the taxpayers of America pour into the countries? How much goes on HIV drugs or condoms?

When we just hand money over to these nations, the only place where our money is going is into a despotic ruler's pocket. It doesnt go to the people who need the money most

The US went into Iraq to get rid of a leader who was killing thousands (and something about weapons...sort of), but "despotic rulers" in African (read: oil-less?) countries should be allowed to stay, making the lives of their citizens hell?

You are forgetting that these are private companies...they are out for profit for themselves and their shareholders...and rightly so.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism, there are limits though...

So you are saying they should price drugs below cost then?

Not good for long term buisness viablity.


Below cost? The profit margins are absolutly massive. Granted, they need to be given the R&D needed, but when drug companies make billions upon billions every year, don't you think they have a moral duty to reduce the price of their goods?


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1925 times:

Thise people are anarchists, pure and simple. When you see signs out there that say "Fuck Capitalism", and the like, and who decry all authority, they aren't out to do anything but cause mayhem. They're punks who don't believe in anything but themselves. They should be given as little publicity as humanly possible.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Which is a shame. To sit back and declare that the world sucks and there's nothing we can do about it is a bit defeatist though.

Defeatest...no. Realistic...yes.

Do YOU know how much money the taxpayers of America pour into the countries? How much goes on HIV drugs or condoms?

Why should my money be going to provide AIDS drugs and condoms for these people? I mean education is the best weapon, but that only goes so far. People are not going to stop bangin'. I'd much rather see my money going towards something that might actually make a difference.

Below cost? The profit margins are absolutly massive. Granted, they need to be given the R&D needed, but when drug companies make billions upon billions every year, don't you think they have a moral duty to reduce the price of their goods?

Way of the world again.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Why should my money be going to provide AIDS drugs and condoms for these people? I mean education is the best weapon, but that only goes so far. People are not going to stop bangin'. I'd much rather see my money going towards something that might actually make a difference.

My point was that the US doesn't spend that much ANY third world help etc, especially when compared to other advanced countries. People might not stop fucking but how much does it realisitically cost to supply condoms to a village?


User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

777236ER, condoms are not going to help. You see, even when there was no contraception people managed to control how much children to have - for example, in XIX age in Europe family avaragely had 3 children, while in USA - 6. This is because lands were smaller in Europe and also in USA people were able to send childs to west.

The real reason that Africans have so much children is because they hopes that one of them will get job in city and thus support all the family. Thus, they probably wouldn't use condoms anyways (not to mention that many of them would not understand their usefulness for preventing HIV).


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Jcs17:

"Schoenorama, nice condescending attitude there. Just what many Americans have come to expect from some Europeans."

I only gave my opinion on a particular posters' thread. The fact that he is american and I am european is absolutely irrelevant. The only person who sees a "condescending attitude" is you, which perhaps indicates how you see yourself regarding "some european posters".



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Yes, Jcs doesn't seem to have a problem with having our tax dollars go to an ill-gotten war in Iraq. but to maybe help save some Africans from AIDS? What a waste, huh? (dripping with sarcasm).

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Yes, Jcs doesn't seem to have a problem with having our tax dollars go to an ill-gotten war in Iraq. but to maybe help save some Africans from AIDS? What a waste, huh? (dripping with sarcasm).

Dripping without a point as well.


25 Alpha 1 : No point, KROC? Sure there is: it's that some people seem to have no trouble spending money on war, but get bent out of shape if it's used to try and
26 Donder10 : While there's no excuse for violence, the reasoning behind the geniune protests is pretty valid. Consider how much money GlaxoSmithKlein, Johnson & Jo
27 Sonic : All these companies are estabilished bųy their owners regardless of what they say just to make profit. This is a sole mission of every non-govern
28 Post contains links B747forlife : 777236ER - You say the US does not spend much on foreign aid, compared to other advanced countries. Notes I found on a PSU class site, dating from 199
29 Post contains images Stratofish : It´s a shame the protests have turned violent. However it was a small minority of those who protested peacefully. But that´s just too hard to compre
30 Jcs17 : Big pharma has to be the worst side of capitalism in a few ways. Oh yeah...pharmacuetical companies suck. I mean, just because these companies have in
31 777236ER : The US does not spend as much as other nations if you compare what they spend to the GNP, but in pure dollars, the US spends quite a lot. The US is a
32 Post contains links Schoenorama : Jcs17: " Oh yeah...pharmacuetical companies suck. I mean, just because these companies have increased life expectancy by 30 years gives them absolutel
33 Jwenting : Indeed once again these "anti-globalisation" terrorists show their true selves... What they want is an anarchistic society where the person with the b
34 MD-90 : Saddam was also nuts. You couldn't bargain with him. We're not going to go around invading any other countries because no other country in the world t
35 777236ER : We're not going to go around invading any other countries because no other country in the world today has a crazy a leader as Saddam was (North Korea
36 N766UA : Ahh but we won't invade any African dictators countries {yet}.
37 Schoenorama : MD-90: "Then where will the drug companies get the money to come up with the next new miracle drug?" I don't mind paying a more for these drugs, if th
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