Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7428 posts, RR: 63 Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
Well, I just saw this disturbing movie and cannot believe it. I mean, I can believe it but that it is based on a true story is unbelieveable.
The Aboriginal culture and language is such a beautiful mixture.
I am reminded of a very pretty, light skinned QANTAS employee that I saw as I went through Qantas check-in in Sydney in 2001. She had a very light complexion and very beautiful facial structure that led me to beleive she was a child of mixed background. I thought of her last night as the movie discussed "half castes".
What impressions did this film have on you?
Is anyone here of Aboriginal descent? Did you see this movie? Did it impact you?
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QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
I'm glad you saw the film - I believe everyone should. Indeed it was a true story, a sad fact. The actions of the Australian government were born from a culture of removal, assimilation and annihalation that was instilled by British settlers in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. One of the most terrible human rights violations occured through the 18th and 19th centuries in Tasmania - when British settlers wiped out all Tasmanian indigenous peoples.
In order to understand the reasoning behind the actions of the government in the film, one must be aware of the historic context in which they took place. At this stage (indeed up until 1967), Aboriginies were not seen as human, they were not counted in census', and were considered native fauna. Due to the actions of a great many caring Australians, this was changed - but the damage was done. During the 1920's (as was seen in the film), the Australian government truly believed that by removing aboriginal (full blooded or half) children, the community would be providing a greater standard of education for them and improving opportunities available - than if they were left to be with their family in rural areas. This has led to children of the "stolen generation" having one of the lowest life expectancies and highest alcoholism rates in the world. Had it not been for the Whitlam government of the 1970's this could well have continued further.
There are now approx. 250,000 indigenous peoples in Australia. Many of them do not look very aboriginal due to the recessivity of indigenous genes.
But it is important for people to remember - that apart from certain psychotic fringe elements in Australian society - Australia treasures it's indigenous culture and people. Today this country enjoys general social harmony.
There are racist elements that will exist in any society and while we are all working together to improve indigenous living standards, mend social rifts and reunite people - we have a long way to go before we can attain real reconciliation.
Tsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
"... that apart from certain psychotic fringe elements in Australian society ..."
and unfortunately one of those certain psychotic fringe elements is Prime Minister which is part of the problem why an apology hasn't been made because this gutless wanker has delusions that he's Menzies and longs to keep us in that era.
Bring on Costello or someone else - they'll have the guts and sincerity to apologise.
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
I have not seen the movie but do have quite a good understanding of the issues.
Our current government and prime minister whilst haven't adequately addressed the issues at hand, still should not be held accountable for our predecessors mistakes.
I will never condone our ancestors treatment of our Aboriginal people, however the policy makers at the time thought they were doing the right thing. You have to have an understanding of Australia's cultural heritage and history to see where we came from.
Since the late 60's and through the 70's and 80's we have addressed Aboriginal problems, in some ways we have failed in others we've won. We've certainly thrown more funds, resources, academic research and plenty of parliamentary time on the aboriginal issue and it would be pure folly of people to say we have not made up for previous mistakes made.
Living where I was in Redfern I have seen the good, the bad and the downright ugly of Aboriginal Australians. From seeing Cathy Freeman (famous Australian sports woman) down at the block talking with young Aboriginal children to the older generation of *stumblers* who are constantly drunk and bumming money off people. I've seen what different tribes have done with land they have acquired through the native title act - to others who have squandered, pillaged and abused the resources we have given them.
I am not sure of the blood percentage that the government requires for assistance (1/4 or 1/8) but ALL aboriginal people are entitled to priority public housing, unemployment benefits without question, pensions, single parent cover, absolute complete free health care, special grants for the arts, abstudy (very generous education programme) and a horde of other benefits.
across Australia, aboriginal community groups are encouraged to educate their children in native culture and to instill pride in themselves. And thankfully more often than not - the community themselves are rising to the occasion and starting to take responsibility for their own actions and being part of the general community.
However, there is still a large Aboriginal lobby, built on the back of the *hand them as much money as we can* mentality that still demands recompense from the rest of Australia. And quite frankly we are sick of it. These same people are quite happy to burn down the houses we build them. Quite happy to roll around drunk all day and do nothing. It was probably wrong to throw money left right and centre at the aboriginal community as a way of saying "we're awfully sorry". That has bred the welfare mentality - and we have enough non-indigenous population abusing that as well.
It's time for the Aboriginal communities to take light of this and move forward, educate their young that they are Aussies and that they are part of a united and wonderful nation full of opportunity for ALL. And before anyone calls me racist - come to my city and see the different groups of people.
Our Aboriginal population is in a very good situation to actually take advantage of what is on offer and not abuse it. Many have so far and it's heartening to see. A lot haven't and it's just plain sad.
But stop the whingeing, the crap about the stolen generation and all the other so called atrocities our forefathers committed. It's history now and the only way we can move forward is for our native population to do it for themselves and move with us.
My views are not based on ignorance, they are simply from seeing it how it is, from growing up in a burgeoning era of gay rights and the way we fought for ourselves, and having spent many many hours talking with aboriginal elders when helping one of my best friends do a thesis for uni on aboriginal health. These men and women told me that the aboriginal lobby needs to pull it's head in and look at themselves as a part of modern Australia without losing their history or values, and that is something we all should look to.
As I said before, these things are happening and hopefully within 20 years the negative problems our indigenous population have will be a thing of the past.
Whilst we should never forget history, we should not dwell on it.
I hope I have not offended anyone with my point of view.
Dinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1056 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
I was going to go see this movie while it was here. Unfortunatly it was gone after only 1 week in the theatres. Wasn't this movie in theatres in Australia last June. Or sometime shortly after?? I remember seeing stuff on tv and in newspapers when I was visiting there last June. I will definatly have to rent this movie when it comes out on video in the US.
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