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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Only a man, like Gay Davis, who has sold his soul to the Devil, could pull off something like this.


Why? Because he can. Mr. Davis has been asked several times on what he thinks about the ever spiraling cost of living in CA, and the fact that people and businesses are leaving in droves. Basically, he has been quoted as saying “Well people and businesses will always want to come to California, lured by our weather and our scenery, and the fact that we are still the 6th largest economy in the world”.

Well, for what it’s worth, and judging from the amount of runaway development and traffic gridlock I see, I think he’s right. But can that last forever? And that comment about being the sixth largest? Yeah, but for how much longer?

Anyway, effective Oct 1, DMV vehicle fees here in CA will triple, citing "economic woes".

Huh?

Can anyone give me one legitimate reason why this would be beneficial? Not only will individual motorists be stung just in fees, but the cost of buying goods will also rise inasmuch as any company that uses a CA registered delivery vehicle will also be hit-thus raising retail prices to help offset those hikes. IMO, this hike will keep CA in a deep recession, if not triggering an outright DEPRESSION.

Where did all the money go? And why is up to the taxpayers-who had nothing to do with it-be forced to pay it off?

If you want to fix California’s so-called "budget deficit", then we need to do the following:

First, get Davis out of office. This latest move will no doubt further galvanize an effort that is already gaining popularity. I understand that Davis was duly elected twice (this, by the way proves that some of the stupidest and/or laziest people in the world reside in the so-called Golden State). But that does not give him Carte Blanche to rape and pillage the taxpayers like this. What about the 46% of us that didn’t vote for him? We’re not talking about a small minority fringe group whining to the ACLU, but nearly half of the electorate of the most populous state in the Union who tried to put the kibash on this.

Second, it's time to roll up the San Diego red carpet and seal off the border. We are broke, at least in part due to the fact that half of Latin America wants to live here, and at least that percentage came here illegally. I cannot overemphasize that word enough: ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL. What part of ILLEGAL don't any of you understand? That means, last time I checked, they have/are breaking the law just being here. These people have no skills, no jobs, little or no grasp of the English language. We have to put them in special schools, on welfare, in government housing, provide all of their health care. Who do you think pays for all of this?

That’s right. The “evil” rich as well as, dare I say it, the people that work AND pay taxes. (I’ve heard the argument about how illegal aliens and welfare recipients contribute to the economy too by buying goods and services. The only thing is that they are spending money that was already given to them by the taxpayers, so in the end, no new wealth is being created.) Many people (Latinos in particular) scream and moan constantly about how 1) the West (and CA in particular) was “stolen” from Mexico and 2) They are simply “taking back” what’s theirs, and 3) how living on the dole is not only a privilege, but a right. And anyone who supports cutting off that “life line” in an inhumane racist.

Call it whatever you want, but the fact is that WE are paying for THEM. And if the GAVACHOS are so bad, then why does the prosperity end at the north side of the border? (pointing out this fact usually shuts them up) Had we NOT come in, then these people would still be living in their adobe lean-to shacks in a parched and desolate wasteland, just like the rest of Mexico still does.

This isn’t racism. This is fact. They should be kissing the feet of anyone who’s earned an honest dollar and spent it in this state.

Third, lets trim the waste at the government level instead of gouging the taxpayers. Since Davis took office in 1999, he has hired more than 40,000 new government employees.

Does anyone know what these people do? Why are they so essential to us now where they weren’t 4 years ago?

Take every last one of those 40,000 people, and fire them. Every last one of them. If we didn’t need them before, we don’t need them now.

What is the real reason for this? In a state with as much wealth and people as CA, I simply don't buy this budget BS. SOMETHING ELSE is going on. Is Davis selling out to the Latino bloc? Is he knowingly driving out all other ethnicities so they CAN have CA back? Is this social engineering? Is the real agenda behind this an effot to drive people (pun intended) out of their cars and onto public transit-thus giving the government more control over peoples lives by default?

What is it?


Meanwhile, I have résumés pending in three other states.

Enough is enough. And I promise not to let the door hit my ass on the way out, although frankly, I’m pretty sure there will be someone else right behind me.

http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=44745§ion=NEWS&subsection=NEWS&year=2003&month=6&day=21


[Edited 2003-06-21 16:26:27]

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Matt D.

You should run for governer.

Or are you just planing to vote for Arnold when he runs?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

I used to live in California and the traffic is horrible.

My only advice is:

If you don't want to pay the fee, don't drive.

I think the 3x amount higher is high, but the price hike is good.

FB05



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

If you don't want to pay the fee, don't drive.

There's a word for that. It's called EXTORTION. And in most municipalities, it's illegal. Paying fees that go towards essential services like road/bridge repair, emergency vehicle service and so on are good. But how do you justify a tripling of the fees?

I think the 3x amount higher is high, but the price hike is good.

Why?

Are you one of those people who, for whatever reason never could drive, have always been bitter about that, and are glad to see others suffering just like you?


And by the way, I'd vote for "Arnie" in a New York Minute.



[Edited 2003-06-21 16:43:30]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

These fees are just an attempt a social engineering.

Granola crunchers who think that if they can make a persons vehicle expensive enough, they can force people onto that inconvenent thing in the states called, Public Transportation.


We had a numb-skull running for Mayor of Anchorage last time around, who had as part of his campaign platform, to shrink the 6 lane (three each way) Glenn high down to a two lane road.

Personally I had to laugh at the notion of turning the states busiest highway/freeway into a two lane road. A lot of other people where laughing too, I think he got a token 1 percent or something.

We where pretty much laughing at him, not with him, at him.

[Edited 2003-06-21 16:45:23]


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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11571 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1581 times:

I feel for you. Living in a boarder town, I have to put up with politics from two states: Oregon and Washington. I pay sales tax to support programs and a baseball stadium in Seattle and pay to have my gas pumped, deposits on soda cans and higher prices to support programs in the Portland area. It seems to me the governers want to appease the largest voting sectors and forget there are others in the state that do vote. Our governer Gary Locke has done little to help Vancouver or Spokane, but by golly, Starbucks, Microsoft and, to some extent, Boeing are still in Seattle!

On the other hand, our sales tax rate and auto licence fees in Clark County is lower than King and Snohomish counties.

Good luck trying for a recall!

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 1566 times:

Only a man, like Gay Davis, who has sold his soul to the Devil, could pull off something like this.


I agree.
He has sold out to the Republicans demands by giving them most of what they want. He has pumped waaaaaaay too much money in to prison. As teachers are laid off and services are being cut, new prisons are being constructed and to top it off, prison guards have got a pay raise!

Another BIG mistake he made was giving into Republican demands and signed a bill allowing a 'Ronald Reagan' license plate. What a waste of taxpayers dollars!



It cost me $20 to registar my car for the year. Next year it may cost me $60. Big deal!
This only hurts those with newer and expensive cars which IS fair.



What about the 46% of us that didn’t vote for him?

Actually Davis won 47% and the Green Party candidate Peter Camejo won 7%, therefore the combined liberal/centrist vote was 54%. Thus the majority of California voters rejected the conservative ideology candidates.

California isn't the only state facing huge deficets. In fact, 49 out of 50 states are facing budget woes. We are the largest state with the largest budget, therefore we will have a large deficet in this recession.

I am no fan of Grey Davis but I think the recall effort is stupid. I've signed the 'Save Grey' petition and I've gathered over 100 signatures on my own to stop this silly recall.


Save Grey

Stop The Recall




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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8505 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 1561 times:

Whoa, boy. Superfly, you blame California's problems on Davis giving in to Republican demands?

I'm not even going there. That's just ludicrous.

At least in Alabama the legislators know better than to try to massively increase our taxes without putting it to a vote (they're worried about their jobs, obviously). I'm going to vote down the $1.2 billion increase in taxes. We desperately need tax reform, not a huge tax hike.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

MD-90
As if a teenager down in Alabama knows everything about California's budget crisis.  Insane

[Edited 2003-06-22 00:13:39]


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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

This only hurts those with newer and expensive cars which IS fair.

Class politics...from a Socialist...errr...Democrat...impossible!

We have to punish the rich man? Right? He doesnt work for his money, instead he won the lottery of life. Success is never earned, it is inherited.  Yeah sure



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Jcs17:
You are making me laugh!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

I don't understand why there are so many 16-20 year olds here with such immensely strong political views. That's totally not healthy!

What's the breakdown of the costs here? Are we talking a few dollars difference? And what about why people with bigger more expensive cars, why do they pay more? Just wondering what all the fuss is about.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Captaingomes:
Here in California, we have a progressive fee structure for car registration.
Newer cars pay more, bigger cars pay more and gas-guzzlers pay more.
Therefore the person with the brand new Lexus SUV pays more than a person with a 1983 Chevy Cavalier.
This rate increase would be across the board thus effecting everyone equally.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Superfly:

Although by mutual agreement we aren't supposed to discuss politics with each other (we need more tape talk BTW), with all due respect, I am floored that you are actually supporting him. As to who won what votes, I'm not going to get into that. I also happen to agree with you with regards to the prisons, the wardens, and the butchering of education. Why do we NEED this kind of elephantine tax hike IN THE FIRST PLACE?

What about all of the other issues I mentioned? The fact that it's "only" (in your case) $40 is immaterial. You simply cannot justify a 300% hike in ANYTHING in one fell swoop. It's those "only" amounts that, over time, collectively add up to a later and later tax freedom day every year. By allowing these nickel and dime increases (this BTW is the biggest, ballsiest, most brazen single tax hike I ever recall coming across), we not only do nothing to solve the REAL issues, but we create an incentive for bloated bureaucracy by rewarding such ineptitude.

Enough is enough, wouldn't you say?


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

California is like granola: what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake. Gray Davis is a few months away from getting thrown out of office, because the citizens of California have finally come to their senses. The power crisis of 2001 should have lead to him being defeated in 2002, but the blame on it shifted to the crooks @ Enron. California is the state at the center of the reconquista of former Spanish and Mexican lands. I read a few years back that in order to keep up with the illegal immigration population of school age entering the state, they would have to build a new school everyday. Border security is the responsibility of the US Border Patrol, and yet in this age of Homeland Security, our border to the South has more holes than a slice of Swiss Cheese. Terrorists have actually utilized this gap at the US/Mexico border to sneak into the US, and have even utilized smugglers who specialize in getting illegals across for a fee. California is having to raise fees because of immigration, both legal and illegal. With more people demanding state services, the monies have to come from somewhere, and the people have to pay for it whether they like it or not.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Remember, as I said above, nothing shuts up a Conquista participant faster than reminding him or her that the money and prosperity and opportunity ends on the north side of the border. If we're so bad, then why do they all want to come here?

Because (and this is the permanent salt in their permanent wound) their own country that they're so proud of (which if you look at it, there isn't a whole lot to be proud OF) is a poor desert wasteland. It's a situation very similar to the Cuban population of South Florida. They know they're on the gravy train with buscuit wheels, but good old fashioned pride and ego will never allow them to admit that their "homeland" is the land of losers, inhabited by losers.

So if they want CA back, fine. Let them have it. I'll take my money with me when I leave.

As for everything else, it's time to play hardball, and stop smooching up to political correctness. We need to call a spade a spade and clean out this country of everyone who doesn't belong and close it up tighter than KROC clenches his ass cheeks whenever 777236ER is nearby, and give the Border Patrol the OK to shoot to kill.

Don't want to get shot at?

Come here legally.

Don't want to drown in the Rio Grande or die in the desert, or get killed in an overturned pickup truck?

Then get off your ass, learn to speak English. Learn a marketable profession and THEN come over here. You can make your tacos and play your Mariachi music anywhere.

But this is MY country.

And please spare me the sob stories about waiters, dish washers, and lawn mowers.

I made a very excellent living doing that when I was 12 and 13 years old.

[Edited 2003-06-22 04:25:34]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

I never understood the California car registration structure.

The rates are based on the age of the vehicle, but that is just an incentive to keep an old gas guzzler on the road, rather then paying the 12 or 15 Grand it will take to get a more efficent car on the road, that won't be so hard on the air down there.


It makes no sense  Nuts



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

Superfly, you registered a car for $20.00 in California? I know I can register my 2 oldest here in Arizona for that but I always though that Californiq would be higher.

L-188, your post brings one of my pet peeves to mind. My idiotic state government, Arizona, a few years back came up with a "great' idea. Why not provide an incentive for alternate fule conversions. They thought that paying rich people to buy $50,000 vehicles and having them fitted to run on natural gas was a good idea. Never mind that although these people were paid most of the purchase price and all of the conversion price, not a one is required to use the system.

I did a bit of simple math and came up with the fact that Arizona could have scrapped the 20,000 oldest and most polluting vehicles and given the owners new $12,000 dollar cars.

But then, I realized the truth. The bozos that passed this bit of idiocy are the ones that benifit the most from such antics.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

So that would explain the hundreds of California license plates I see in Arizona daily. We have the same problem here in Arizona with our "undocumented visitors"...we have became WAY too accomodating to them. Not quite sure about CA's structure....but here is how Arizona's works...

There is a registration fee of $8.00 (or $8.25 in metro Phoenix and Tucson, including 25¢ air quality compliance sticker fee); plus an air quality research fee of $1.50; plus a vehicle license tax (VLT) assessed in place of a personal property tax charged by other states. There may also be a weight fee for commercial vehicles and other fees. The VLT is based on an assessed value of 60% of the manufacturer's base retail price reduced by 16.25% for each year since the vehicle was first registered in Arizona (15% before 8/1/98). Then, as of the Dec 1, 2000 reduction, the rate is calculated as $2.80 (new vehicles)/$2.89 (used vehicles) for each $100 of the assessed value. For example, for a new vehicle that costs $25,000, the first year assessed value would be $15,000 and the VLT would be $420.00. The second year the assessed value would be $12,562.50 and the VLT would be $363.06.


Im guessing CA's is somewhat similar to this...


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8505 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

In case you haven't noticed, I read quite a lot, and I am reasonably well informed about California's crisis of its own socialistic, overspent making. And I am definately against any federal bailout of the states, California and Alabama included. Alabama has budget problems due to the state legislature being heavily influenced by PACs and special interest groups (mainly, legislators raise taxes in the first year of their term, then in the fourth the PACs lean on them and they pass massive budget increases, which causes a deficit, and then the next year the [hopefully] re-elected legislatures then pass new taxes).

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Hey Matt D, I notice you don't mention anywhere in your diatribe that, in fact, it was former REPUBLICAN governor Pete Wilson that authorized the legislation that made the Vehicle License Fee cuts TEMPORARY. And now they are going back to where they were thanks to a REPUBLICAN governor.

But, you know, never let facts stand in the way of a good Democrat-bashing fest.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Sorry..it's much ado about nothing.
So what if they triple?....There are far more pressing issues to worry about.
Time for a reality check.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Good news from Gov. Davis!

No smog for cars from 1978 or earlier!  Smokin cool
NO more smog checks for me!  Big thumbs up


L-188:
The rates are based on the age of the vehicle, but that is just an incentive to keep an old gas guzzler on the road, rather then paying the 12 or 15 Grand it will take to get a more efficent car on the road, that won't be so hard on the air down there.

Your starting to sound like one of those 'God Damn Granola bar eatin' Liberals'  Laugh out loud

Not all old cars are gas-guzzlers.
The person driving the Hummer SHOULD pay more in registration than the poor person driving the 1980 AMC Pacer.
One of the great things about California is that a car can last forever. We don't have to worry about rust and other problems associated with tough climates like New York, Ohio etc.
The roads would look so boring and sterile if everyone had a new car. Old cars are cool, have way more character, says a lot about an individual, is a cheaper alternative to new cars. Best of all, it states that you have opted out of a disposable consumer culter laid out for you to embrace in the spirit of growth.
I see NO need to throw away a perfectly running automobile.  Smile


MD-90:
Alabama has budget problems due to the state legislature being heavily influenced by PACs and special interest groups (mainly, legislators raise taxes in the first year of their term, then in the fourth the PACs lean on them and they pass massive budget increases, which causes a deficit, and then the next year the [hopefully] re-elected legislatures then pass new taxes).

Well I am glad you understand the political process in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA! Those problems aren't indicative of Alabama, but in ALL 50 STATES and in Washington D.C.  Smile


IMissPiedmont:
You can use my address to registar here in California. Big grin


Matt D:
I guess I just had to defend the Governor which ain't easy. I am equally discusted with him as you are. I just don't trust the people pushing for his recall. Darryl Issa is evil. Jim Brulte is evil. The Greens need a good a$$wippin' as well. No one has came forward with a better solution to the states problems. The whichhunt against Gov. Davis just seems personal. The Republicans just can't accept that California is NO LONGER there's. Davis was relected 6 months ago and the Greens siphoned off about 7% of his support. The people has spoken and no major scandal has came out on any wrong doing on his part. Would it have been fair to have a recall when Pete Wilson's approval ratings were low?
There was a petion and I didn't sign it. I instead waited for his re-election and voted for Kathleen Brown. Although she lost, Pete Wilson DID have the opportunity to please just enough people to bring his ratings up and get re-elected.



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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

A little off-topic, but I am not sure why certain individual suddenly feels the need to bash immigrants around here. While I am totally against illegal immigration, learning English is not something that can be done overnight. I came here on perfectly legal terms, without knowing any English. YOU WILL NOT learn a language unless you PRACTICE it frequently on regular basis. My mother speaks decent English and so does my aunt. My uncle and my father still have difficulties with it. I picked up my English in 5 months. If you were thrown into another country, Matt D, would you learn a language in that time? Maybe, maybe not.

Think before you post, mate.

Respectfully,

Alex.
Denver, Colorado.



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Superfly, I don't that will be necessary. It appears that AZ and CA have quite similar structures at this time.

I could get a POB in New Mexico and pay $25.00 per year for my new truck that costs $380.00 in AZ though. Illegal as all get up but done very often. I figure though that the 450 mile round trip to buy something in Las Cruces every week would cost a bit more than I'd save. Besides, I lose receipts on a regular basis.

And when did California become Californiq. I need to use spell check I think.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
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