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HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?  
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

An interesting news story caught my eye:

In what could be a step toward the development of a vaccine, Scripps Research Institute scientists said in a study published Friday that they have identified an antibody that neutralizes HIV (news - web sites), the virus that causes AIDS

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20030628/lo_kgtv/1676610

Interesting development. Let us hope this does indeed point the way to a true vaccine. Something like this could be used to treat current cases and convey immunity, the so called "miracle cure".


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

I don't understand why so much money is poured into AIDS research while millions more people die from heart disease and cancer than from AIDS.

But there is a company that has invented an HIV drug already, and next week they will probably receive "fast track" permission from the FDA to produce it. So the problem is being attacked from many different sides, and some drug makers are making great strides towards the goal of ending AIDS.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

AIDS receives such great attention and funding because it is a politically correct disease and therefore must be given special consideration. Just remember what type of person AIDS usually effects the most.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

B757300, your such a sorry excuse for a human being, you know that?

Of course many conservatives, like B757300, don't want a cure, so it will kill off the homosexual population.

Not to people-and I use that term very loosely, B757300-like yourself: AIDS got such great attention because of it's high mortality rate, not for any PC bullshit as you say.

Of course, left to the likes of you, there would be NO research into AIDS, simply to satisfy your bloodlust to see gays suffer even more. It's not enough for someone like you that they be discriminated against simply because they are gay, but you wish them to simply die, so they won't further bother you.

We'll leave you a note, B757300, when we will ask you to join the human race. Right now, you absolutely don't belong. You're disgusting.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Airworthy,

That vaccine is only 33% effective, a poor number. This could potentially lead to a cure-all vaccine. Which would be an amazing breakthrough.

And yes, B757300, that was absolutely disgusting.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

have to agree with Alpha 1 on this one...

and the majority of AIDS patients today are not gay anyway...


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

757300, you where doing good untill you got to that second sentence.

But it is true, there are a lot of other serious and more deadly diseases that aren't funded to the levels that AIDS reseach is. AIDS gets the money because of the publicity.

I wonder how much closer we could be to an MS cure if Jerry Lewis got the amount of money that AIDS charities do through fundraisers and government funding.

But that being said, lets not get into a debate on which illnesses are more serious then others.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

B757300,

You've proven once again how intelligent you are. Seriously though, your disgusting comments are nothing short of ignorant, I suggest you brush up on your knowledge of AIDS / HIV.

______________________________________________

Why do people assume that AIDS research is politically correct or for the benefit of homosexuals? There are millions upon millions of HIV / AIDS cases in Africa and Asia, the problem so bad in some African communities that up to 60% of the population is infected.

That is the real reason huge sums of money are thrown towards a cheap and affordable cure. Let us not forget that any research into AIDS / HIV can be used for other incurable diseases. Obviously there is some prestige involved in those companies / researchers who are trying to find a cure - to do so would be of considerable financial windfall, not to mention notoriety.

One thing we should remember though, AIDS is an undiscriminatory disease and your suffering can sometimes be guaged in days to weeks to months. No one should go through this, no person on this planet deserves to die a death from HIV. To be blase and vulgar (like a certain post on here) is to foolish and reprehensible.

I did volunteer work in the mid 90's with ACON as a carer and I can assure you watching people suffer from this was worse than anything I have ever or will possibly ever see. The stigma, the shame, the treatments, the ailments all of it absolutely dreadful.

Never lose sight of the big picture.

mb


User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Nice attitude, B757300. Were you only refering to gays? Or Africans as well? I'm just trying to figure out if you're just a homophobe, or a blatant racist as well.

Some of you may not have visited the continent of Africa recently. Let me just say that to witness the way this epidemic is destryoing so many lives there is extremely sobering. But at least we get the added benefit of getting rid of some homosexuals, right?

Anyway, this is at least some positive news.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

I believe in the theory that HIV was created in a military laboratory. Feel sorry for all the innocent victims.


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Airmale,

Conspiracy theories aside, you only have to look at the $$$$$$$$ that the drug companies are makeing on various treatments to know that something dirty is about.

Tofu anyone?

mb


User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

B757300

How ignorant and blind you are of the rest of the world! You know, the huge amount of anti-American sentiment that abounds in this world is because of ignorant Americans like you, who cannot see beyond the 50 states in the USA (and Iraq) and have a good look at the real problems in this world.

One such problem is the HIV/AIDS pandemic which is killing thousands every day! It honestly makes me sick when you suggest it is simply a "politically correct disease" and doesn't need special consideration.

Hell, even your mad president that you earnestly support realises that AIDS needs special consideration - why do you think he donated $15 billion to African countries to fight the pandemic??

Ugh... I cannot stand ignorance!

Wake up, and smell the coffee mister.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Let us not forget that any research into AIDS / HIV can be used for other incurable diseases

Absolutely, which is why it is pointless to get into a discussion about which diseases are worse or need more attention then others.

Look at prostate cancer, big study just came out that said that hair growth medicine may prevent it.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Airmale,

Your joking, right?

I would 10X rather see a cure for cancer than AIDS, to be honest. Lets face it, you CAN help getting AIDS, execpt of course unless your raped. Blood transfusions are safer than they use to be. However, you cannot help getting cancer, except smoking. Did you know after the age of 80, the male is at a 100% chance for prostate cancer. We gotta find a way to end that. AIDS gets an unfair cut of the money cake, lets face it. Call me what you want, but there is no denying it.



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

No I'm not, it was created to destroy the economy of a particular country/region.


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

And just out of curiosity, Do you have a source for this conspiracy theory.

Because last time I checked the first documented case of AIDS was in Africa in 1956.

Needless to say that geo-political concerns have changed considerably over the years.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

There is a television "spot" running in the Detroit area about AIDS becoming an epidemic. I'm not homophobic or racist, but I believe the actual epidemic is stupidity. Other than rape or the (rare) accidental contraction of HIV, AIDS is basically quite preventable. Irrespective of how distasteful B757300's comment might seem to some of you, it would be ignorant to totally disregard lifestyle scenario's impact on the complete equation. Kind regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

NWA

I disagree.

Statstics taken from http://www-dep.iarc.fr/globocan/globocan.html and http://www.aegis.org/factshts/niaid/2000/niaid2000_fact_sheet_aidsstat.html:

Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 1-year period: 2 938 766
Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 5-year period: 10 247 921
Number of people infected with HIV/AIDS worldwide for the year 2000 (never mind the year 2002): 36 100 000

Clearly, there are a lot more people infected with HIV than there are people with Cancer. I'm not saying Cancer shouldn't be given consideration, but I am saying that HIV/AIDS cannot be ignored at all, and really must be given special consideration by everyone.

Whilst I agree with you that contracting HIV can be prevented through using a condom etc, one must realise that this is much easier said than actually done. The majority of AIDS cases are from Africa and South-East Asia, where much of the populace is largely uneducated about the dangers of HIV.

The west is invariably more educated about issues surrounding sex and sexuality, and is the reason why HIV has not been as prevaient in the west than the 'east.'

And blood transfusions in less developed countries are obviously not as safe as they are in developed countries, given the status of health care in countries. I, for one, happened to walk into a state hospital here in Johannesburg the other day, and saw how pathetic it actually was, and how easy it can be for anyone to contract HIV given the unhygenic conditions of the hospital. I thanked my lucky stars for medical aid and private hospitals!!

One cannot deny that HIV/AIDS is a pandamic. Cancer has not even neared the disastrous level HIV/AIDS is at, and as such, HIV/AIDS needs to be taken VERY, VERY seriously...


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Geez....looks like we hit a nerve now didn't we?

Before you all collectively take a piss on B757300's corpse now that you've drawn and quartered him, stop and listen to what he's saying.

Granted, maybe his choice of words left something to be desired, but he does have a point. Even though any person who is reasonably informed on the subject will tell you that HIV is spreading through the hetero population the way a fart sweeps through a crowded room, thanks to the "bi" males, it still carries that stigma or perception that it is a 'gay' disease. I'm not saying that it is a 'gay' disease (although it at least once was), but many people still believe that. It's that whole 'perception is reality' thing. And yes, I do believe that it probably gets a lot more notoriety and attention than is probably merited. When you put things in perspective, it's still not that widespread, the way cancer, heart disease, and diabetes are. But yes, a cure would be directly applicable to other diseases.

Although any person who engages in any kind of $ex is theoretically at risk for catching it, the reality is that your chances, from a purely mathematical probability standpoint are actually quite slim. Most likely, you'd have to have dozens, if not hundreds of high risk encounters before you'd likely catch it. Of course, there is that "one time" possibility, but we are talking averages here.

And yes, a lot of people do overlook the Africa situation, which is a sad. But as stated above, I firmly believe in the "conspiracy" of AIDS/HIV vaccine suppression: There is way too much money at stake from "treatments" (a.k.a. delaying death) that are the cash cows of the pharmeceutical industry. This does not mean that I don't believe that many people ar working tirelessly towards a cure, I'm just saying that corporate interests will keep any Major Breakthrough suppressed. After all, you cannot even get a home, or same day test to see if you are infected or not. Not only do you have to go see a doctor, you have to wait an agonizing week or two to get the results.

Wonder why that is.


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Matt D,

probably gets a lot more notoriety and attention than is probably merited. When you put things in perspective, it's still not that widespread, the way cancer, heart disease

Just check the figures in SunAir's above post:

***
Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 1-year period: 2 938 766
Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 5-year period: 10 247 921
Number of people infected with HIV/AIDS worldwide for the year 2000 (never mind the year 2002): 36 100 000
***

the reality is that your chances, from a purely mathematical probability standpoint are actually quite slim. Most likely, you'd have to have dozens, if not hundreds of high risk encounters before you'd likely catch it. Of

You are forgetting a few key words. Your chances of catching it in a developed country is "actually quite slim", but it is a whole other story in 3rd world nations.

And yes, a lot of people do overlook the Africa situation, which is a sad. But as stated above

Yes and you also overlooked it in your post.

Jeremiah

[Edited 2003-06-28 15:20:06]


Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Just one thing that I just thought of, whilst I think AIDS must be stopped, and we need a cure, there are ways of preventing it and EVEN THOUGH we've already said that its not that easy to do that in places like Africa and Asia, if they can't take preventative measures there how the hell are they going to get the cure?

Just a thought.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

And what exactly prevents an African or Asian from abstaining from sex or drugs?


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

I stand corrected.



User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

I'd like to add something about changing lifestyles which, and I agree 100%, would significantly reduce the number of AIDS cases worldwide.

The west = educated. Most people in the west know about the dangers of HIV.

The 'East' = uneducated. Most people haven't even heard of HIV. And try explaining all the technical/biological terms to these people in a language they hardly understand. A mammoth task, I'm sure we'd all agree.

Nonetheless, educating people about HIV is indeed possible, and the more help governments get, the better.

HOWEVER, the fact remains that there are still 36 million living with HIV, 70% of these cases in sub-Saharan Africa. Children will be produced, and they'll contract the virus. They'll produce children, and the vicious cycle will get worse and worse.

Then... then... I'm afraid to say that other diseases will appear totally insignificant when compared to HIV.

A cure is indeed needed, but as Matt D stated, the pharamceutical industry are a bunch of cash cows, and I, also, wouldn't be surprised if a cure is suppressed by this very powerful industry, in order to keep on making money with drugs such as NVP.



User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

sunair,

I disagree, your statistics are done incorrectly. People with cancer dont live as long people with AIDS. To do it correctly, you would have to figure out all the people who died of aids, and have aids. Then figure out how many have died of cancer, and that have cancer, and how many have beat it. The AIDS number gets larger and larger because people don't die off as fast.

And then I bring you to MY question. Why is it Africa thinks the U.S. , or any country for that matter, should help them with billions of dollars of aid for this? I don't see them giving us any money.



23 victor, turn right heading 210, maintain 3000 till established, cleared ILS runwy 24.
25 AC320 : Suppress potential vaccines? This thinking is a bit out of whack.
26 Soku39 : NWA - When given much, like the USA, much is expected. Since out country is so blessed it is only right that we should help others out. Since Africa h
27 KROC : Suppress potential vaccines? This thinking is a bit out of whack. AC320. There is no profit in a cure.........
28 SunAir : NWA To do it correctly, you would have to figure out all the people who died of aids, and have aids. And what about those people who have contracted H
29 NWA : "NWA - When given much, like the USA, much is expected. Since out country is so blessed it is only right that we should help others out. Since Africa
30 Donder10 : AIDS receives such great attention and funding because it is a politically correct disease and therefore must be given special consideration. Just rem
31 AC320 : That's still insane thinking. No one would stand for a company that suppresses the cure to such a disease. Certainly the researchers themselves would
32 NWA : Africa should be able to make a killing off of all sorts of foods. Dont give that that its the wests fault crap. It gets old.
33 Donder10 : Africa should be able to make a killing off of all sorts of foods. Dont give that that its the wests fault crap. It gets old. So how exactly is Africa
34 Seb146 : What has never been answered in my mind is why no one tried to find a cure when this epidemic was spreading through Africa in the '70s? Surely it coul
35 NWA : So the west aimed this at africa then? I dont see any other area of the world that is as bad off as them. If it were the wests fault, everyone would b
36 Post contains links ModernArt : SunAir, your figures for number of new cancer case each year are incorrect by a very large margin. According to the World Health Organization, the num
37 Donder10 : Well Africa is by far the world's poorest nation thus AIDS is most prevalent there due to the nation of the disease and Africans not knowing much abou
38 Cptkrell : O.K., here's my deal. Since (as we are apparently being taught) the dawn of man started in Africa, and we "young folks" (especially the USA) have only
39 Lparky : working in the pharma industry, I can honestly say that the first company to come up with a cure for any disease will make a fortune, and rightfully s
40 LH423 : I pay taxs, I want results with the money I give. How much in taxes does someone between the ages of 16 and 20 whose claimed occupation is "flight sim
41 Continental : That'd be fantastic if they can find a cure to HIV/AIDS. It's ridiculously hard to cure a virus. Viruses are nonliving (not yet proven) organisms that
42 NWA : "How much in taxes does someone between the ages of 16 and 20 whose claimed occupation is "flight simulator" paying? " Nice insult. First off, when wa
43 Kevi747 : "There is a differnce between removing a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than just giving over 1 billuion to africa. A HUGE dif
44 777236ER : There is a differnce between removing a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than just giving over 1 billuion to africa. A HUGE diff
45 Donder10 : This nonending crap about "advanced" civilizations owing lesser fortunates dollars large for help, or need, is just that. Crap. How the hell did it co
46 Donder10 : a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than Who was that?
47 Mx5_boy : Matty, It is with a bit of sadness that I have to tell you, that your wrong. Of all people. To say what you have is beastly. Someone who I respected.
48 Matt D : What did I say that was so bad-keeping in mind that I admitted an error?
49 Post contains images SunAir : ModernArt: According to the World Health Organization, the number of new cancer cases exceed 10 million per year. I stand corrected. The number of HIV
50 AC320 : No need to hope you are wrong. You simply are wrong. See Lparky's post.[Edited 2003-06-29 17:42:43]
51 Matt D : Wealthy nations should help poorer countries because it is their duty as fellow human beings. We're about as close to achieving this mentality as the
52 Post contains links SunAir : No no, you see AC320 I don't think I am wrong. I think you "simply are wrong." The problem comes in the form of Patent abuse. Many of the pharmaceutic
53 SunAir : Besides, why SHOULD we/they? Well then how else is this HUGE gap between the west and the east going to be solved? Sure this "out of the kindness od
54 NWA : Giving over 1 billion to africa is a cure? I dont think so. It is a waist of money. That billion did not go you a cure. To even suggest that i dont wa
55 Cptkrell : Donder10 wrote (in ref. to my reply #38): "It's nothing to do with civilisations(sic) etc. It's to do with Africans being very, very poor and not bein
56 Teahan : NWA, Giving over 1 billion to africa is a cure? I dont think so. It is a waist of money. That billion did not go you a cure. To even suggest that i do
57 NWA : Yes, like cancer. i think cancer is more of a threat than that of AIDS.
58 Teahan : NWA, While cancer is more of a threat to educated people in the developed world, think of the 3rd world. When you have whole countries with a HIV rate
59 Donder10 : Giving over 1 billion to africa is a cure? I dont think so. It is a waist of money. That billion did not go you a cure. To even suggest that i dont wa
60 AC320 : SunAir, There'd be more fame and fortune in being the company, researcher, university, whatever that cured the world of the HIV/AIDs pandemic than sup
61 Jcs17 : I agree with B757300 to a certain extent... There is a way to prevent AIDS, and its called abstinence until you are married or your partner is checked
62 777236ER : Breast Cancer should not be getting all the money it receives. Yes, it is an awful disease. But, if women go in for regular screenings their chances o
63 KROC : SunAir, There'd be more fame and fortune in being the company, researcher, university, whatever that cured the world of the HIV/AIDs pandemic than sup
64 Alpha 1 : I agree with B757300 to a certain extent... Boy, there's a shocker....not. You equate moral justification for finding a cure with how some people acqu
65 Post contains images Jcs17 : Screening and finding breast cancer then relies on TREATMENT WHICH COSTS MONEY. Funding is needed. What are you asking for here? Socialized health car
66 777236ER : What are you asking for here? Socialized health care for AIDS victims? Free drugs? I'm asking for you to take your head out of your arse and realise t
67 KROC : Are you kidding me, KROC? Supressing a cure? Dude, quit going to Star Wars Conventions and listening to Art Bell. KROC, the drug companies arent phila
68 Alpha 1 : Jcs17, blood is still screened for HIV/AIDS. And, your ignorance aside, there is still the possibiity of infected blood getting into the system. Simpl
69 Mx5_boy : What are you asking for here? Socialized health care for AIDS victims? Free drugs? _______________________________________________________________ Er
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