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It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29698 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Nope folks, not making that up.

The perennial holder of the top ranking of the best country to live in, Canada has been bumped from third place all the way down to eight. It had been the holder of the top spot for many years until bumped by Norway and Sweden last year.

This is according to the United Nations Human Development Index, which is included as part of the 2003 Human Development Report.

Factors lowering Canada's score was a lack of doctors per 100,000 people compared with other countries, decreasing GDP, and higher unemployment.

This years offical rankings for as as follows.

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. The Netherlands
6. Belguim
7. U.S.
8. Canada


Needless to say, the opposition parties up there are going to have a field day, taking shots at Creitians leadership. After all Brian Mulroney's government was the one that got Canada the Number 1 spot on the list many moons ago.

Just something else the liberals have pissed away in the southlands, eh?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1057356612315&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

I heard about that as well. Quite surprising after all these years with Canada being on top.
I can understand Icelands high rank due to the fact that this country is basically all Hyrdrogen when it comes to energy. Very little to no pollutants except cars and planes I guess.

Norway has Kristanna Loken, thats why that country got number 1! If anybody that hot can be from this country, I would sure like to move down there. There may be more Kristannas..  Big grin

Interesting how even the US beat Canada. Course US is larger in economy, GDP and GN, but I guess somenow these and a few other things such as high security perhaps gave it a better spot.

I think the recent events like SARS outbreak, Bad Cow disease and West nile Virus may have played a part in making canada more undesirable to live.




Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Eh, we want a recount, eh! The UN's a bunch of hosers eh!

Signed,


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29698 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

You know. Not more then an hour ago, I was watching Strange Brew.

Great flick.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29698 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Oh excuse me.

Great Flick......eh?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineLstc From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Lack of doctors? Canadians enjoy several benifits from our healthcare system including longer life, lower infant mortality, universal access and less costly healthcare than the US does. The fact that we do it all with fewer doctors is quite a feat.

Also, the study is based on data that's 2 years old. I know for a fact that Canada's economy is on a roll and our employment numbers are far better than the US's at the moment.



[Edited 2003-07-05 16:27:46]

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

decreasing GDP, and higher unemployment.

Decreasing GDP?LOL!The Canadian economy is doing the 2nd best in the industrialised world at the moment(after Australia) ie 1st quarter stats.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Where was the uk in this report? it hasnt made news here.


It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

I never thought I'd agree with L-188, but he's absolutely right: Brian Mulroney was a much better PM than Jean Chrétien. To tell you how bad Jean Chrétien is, I'd say that Jean Chrétien is to Canada what Dubya is to the US; that's how bad he is. No vision, no integrity, cynical, hijacked the political institutions for his own good, etc.

As a Canadian, there's nothing to be proud of in this drop. But, as a die-hard opponent to the Liberal Party of Canada, for sure I will rub their nose in, considering how they used that report for their own good when Canada was still ranked number one.

Can't wait to read the final report to see exactly what went wrong.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineLstc From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Qb101,

As a fellow Canadian I have to agree...and disagree. Chretien is a big loser. The faster he goes the better off we'll all be.

But.....to put ANY sort of positive light on Brian Mulroney is repugant in my opinion. That guy did much more harm to Canada and Canadians than Chretien could ever muster.


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Amazing how the US is quite willing to accept UN praise considering it's reaction to UN criticism. Same can be said for my country of course.

QANTASFOREVER


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Lstc,

Granted, Mulroney was not a saint. He did his fair share of stupid moves to take away the credibility of our political institutions, hence increasing the cynism of the population.

But, at times, Mulroney stood up as a man of principle and this country enjoys some of his work. The two main policies he brought forward in that regard being the GST and the free trade agreement with the US. Remember the Liberals said they would "scrapped" these, but kept them anyway? That's because those are good policies.

And, as opposed to Chrétien (and his mentor Trudeau), Mulroney did not betray Québec during constitutional crisis. Which is why, as opposed to Chrétien and Trudeau, he enjoys quite a lot of respect here.

Mulroney is not the best PM this country ever had (that being Lester B. Pearson), but he's not the worst either.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29698 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Yeah, I know I should be telling them to stick it.

But you know what if it makes you feel better, I am still pissed they have Australia listed higher then the US.

You all have way too many weird bugs and poisonous snakes down there. Big grin



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

L-188,

But you know what if it makes you feel better, I am still pissed they have Australia listed higher then the US.

You all have way too many weird bugs and poisonous snakes down there.


I have three things to say to you:

Richard Simmons, Heraldo Rivera and Rabies.

QANTASFOREVER


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Wow !
Isnt that amazing.

The same lot who would prefer having the UN blown to smithereens on issues they disagree with are now using UN figures for their puerile claims.


User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Realistically, really big countries have a tough way to go as far as maintaining quality of life. The USA has approximately one quarter of one billion people living within our borders, so even though Australia, Norway and Sweden are ranked higher, remember that they have far lower populations and are thus somewhat more governable and easier to provide for. Good job, USA! Hell, I'm surprised we're even in the top 10.


Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Well in that case, USA should be number one!! Go USA, the best country in the world (obviously)!

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

For someone who doesn't even want to be part of the U.S., L-188, you're making an awful big deal of the U.S. finishing 7th out of 8 nations.  Big grin

And I find it most ironic that you put ANY stock in the UN. Weren't they the big-time fuck-ups before the war with Iraq?

Interesting.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1528 times:

hmm, higher number of doctors per 100,000 people ? Healthy countries don´t need that many.

I question the variables used to come with this ranking.

Iceland for god sake, IMO you must like literature, dark cold winters & smelly pools to love it.. anout same goes for Sweden, IMO it is a good place if like high tax, Ikea and make a hole in the ice to swim.

No, don´t value it to high, however good to see Netherlands beat the Belgium Rode Duivels who somehow now think it is OK to kick our .ss at tennis ...


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1500 times:

higher number of doctors per 100,000 people ? Healthy countries don´t need that many

Then what metrics are more important in creating a healthy country, if not the availability of qualified doctor?

Even in a healthy country, how do you keep short waiting lists and specialised services without having lots of qualified doctors? Do tell...

Realistically, really big countries have a tough way to go as far as maintaining quality of life.

Why? Big countries have proportionately more tax revenues with which to provide services. If anything, they benefit from economies of scale.

Compare the range of sizes in the top 10 to the range of sizes of all countries.  Big grin

One factor that does occur to me is that tax-and-spend countries tend to drift up towards the top of the table, suggesting that lots of public-sector spending is more important to "quality of life" than is take-home pay for the average working adult.

(Which I find frustrating - admittedly this is one of the best places I've ever lived, but the Belgian government takes a huge slice out of my pay, and it's very unlikely that I will ever draw deeply on all those expensive public services)



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Statistics, especially if they reflect favorably are nice. However if the U.S. ranked first, middle or last doesn't make me feel any different about the country in which I live. My life won't change because of this. I know the goodness and opportunity as well as the negative aspects of my country. Stat's like these are fun to read but they won't pay my bills. Like someone once said, "I don't need a weatherman to tell me which way the wind is blowin", (or something like that). I'm sure most people from all different countries would agree.


You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Amen to that, FDXmech!

However, it's surely interesting to see who started this thread and was so happy to quote a United Nations survey...  Big grin



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

Where is France ? we have the best wine, cheese, fast trains and big planes !hm I guess all those are not good for one's health.

User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Parisien, not true. We're told the French love of wine actually counteracts the high fat diet. Sounds good to me.


You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

We're told the French love of wine actually counteracts the high fat diet.

Unfortunately, this is more an urban legend than a fact.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
25 AerLingus : Bobrayner: Indeed, there is a significantly higher amount of tax revenue coming in to the government, but think of the services that need to in turn b
26 VonRichtofen : How did we go from #1 or 2, to 8th!? What happened? SARS?
27 Alpha 1 : Stastitics are fun to talk about-be them in sports, politics or things like this, but they really don't mean a whole lot. To me, I think the U.S. is t
28 Post contains images L-188 : Actually, I hate to admit it but the claims that the Alaska Statehood vote where illegal under international law is based on UN resolutions. So, I beg
29 BOEING747-700 : Meh no biggie to me, I would rather loose to the USA then to IRAQ!!!
30 Galaxy5 : Who cares what the UN has to say about anything anyhow.
31 Post contains images Matt D : To all Canadians: Please direct your concerns here:
32 777236ER : Who cares what the UN has to say about anything anyhow. Most of the world.
33 Mx5_boy : Go *Australia*. Strange that somewhat semi-socialist nations come out on top. Australia's economy has been booming for quite some time whilst the res
34 AerLingus : That seems like a big part of the equation, mb. I think a lot of it also stems from stability issues. There is inherent instability with countries wit
35 Mx5_boy : AL, True about Australia - however I work in Australian and International markets and we follow the American markets quite closely. Our fundamentals a
36 UN_B732 : Living in the US is worse that in Canada, I would assume. -UN ("proud" to be an American...ops I mean to say NOT proud"
37 Lstc : The two main policies he (Mulroney) brought forward in that regard being the GST and the free trade agreement with the US. Remember the Liberals said
38 Qb001 : Lstc, There is a clause in NAFTA that stipulates that any party can bring it to an end within 6 months: Article 2205: Withdrawal A Party may withdraw
39 North County : Look at the list, which County spends as much (per person) as the US on its military? Factor that back in and the US would finish higher.
40 QANTASFOREVER : North County, Please! Factor in "Hydrogen Cars Per Capita" and ICELAND WE HAVE A WINNER. Or: "'Lord of the Rings' film sets per square Kilometer" and
41 Iamcanadian : Well, the way i see it, it think "the best country to live in" should be based on what country has the best... BEER! Go CANADA! Canada has the best be
42 L-188 : Canadian beer? Labatts and Molsen both suck! They are just metric versions of Budwiser If you want good beer, go to Bravaria!
43 VonRichtofen : "Australia's economy has been booming for quite some time whilst the rest of the world has been lagging." Uhhh, Canada's economy was the fastest growi
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