North County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
Since the Iraq airline thread in civil Av forum is now locked, I want to ask this question.
Why do so many Euro's hate America?
No beating around the boat, no waiting for a chance to snipe at the US.
Just tell us the truth about your hating the US of A.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
As a person who is a proud American I can still easily say this....I think its pretty obvious why Europe (and a lot of the world's population) hates the US. There are too many reasons to count.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
North County:
"Why do so many Euro's hate America?"
As far as I know, not many Europeans (I don't call you yanks) actually hate Americans, as I don't know either many Germans really hating Italians, to give you a recent similarity!
Rather than hatred, it's a dislike of American leaders and American Politics in general, that isn't very well accepted in Europe.
Flyf15:
"As a person who is a proud American I can still easily say this....I think its pretty obvious why Europe (and a lot of the world's population) hates the US. There are too many reasons to count."
Care to name just a few of these 'obvious' reasons?
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
North County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
I don't take offense to Yank. It is much more civil then some of the things we have been called on these boards.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
I don't think that many Europeans hate the United States. I think a few do hate us and they pipe up at every possible opportunity. Further bashing of the United States is a leading hobby of the "chattering classes" all over the world.
Superfly,
Why don't you cut out the blanket villification of "right-wingers"? For a self-professed "liberal", you are awfully intolerant of those that disagree with your cynical views.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
On what basis and on what facts do you come to the conclusion that "Euro's" hate America? Or are you making your judgement simply by reading these forums?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38489 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2562 times:
N79969:
Just as Schoenorama pointed out above, the Europeans dislike some or leaders and our politics right now. Who are the Americans supporting our current leader? It ain't 'liberals' that's for sure.
you are awfully intolerant of those that disagree with your cynical views
I am 'intolerant' of intolerant people. I am a very accepting individual.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38489 posts, RR: 80 Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2554 times:
BTW
If the 'Euros' really hated America so much, there wouldn't be daily flights to and from America by BA, Air France, Iberia, Lufthansa, SAS, Aeroflot, Olympic, etc.. as well as US carriers.
North County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
Oh, I guess the numerous negative comments leads me to think that some of them hate America.
How could I forget the mention the protests in March.
North County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Superfly,
The numerous flights just mean people have to cross the pond. Could be on business.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
Superfly:
"I am 'intolerant' of intolerant people. "
A nice sounding but entirely bogus mantra of the ideological left.
I don't buy what you are saying. I have read many, many of your posts. You are about as tolerant as Tom DeLay of ideas that conflict with your own.
I think you say you don't dislike all Republicans and list George Ryan as an example. He was a pretty corrupt governor.
The Muslim world must love us as well: Saudia, Egypt Air, Royal Jordanian, PIA, and soon Emirates serve the United States.
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Anyway, I think the Europeans dislike our President as a group but not the country. They did not like Reagan either. Overall, I think the cultural affinity between the US and Europe remains strong.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38489 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
N79969:
We can go around in circles on this whole left/right stuff but I'd rather not.
I am getting a good laugh out of all of this because this is the first time I've been compared to Tom Delay!
George Ryan corrupt?
I suppose the Bushman is squeeky clean.
Anyway, I think the Europeans dislike our President as a group but not the country. They did not like Reagan either. Overall, I think the cultural affinity between the US and Europe remains strong.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
North County - because you are not looking at it from both sides, you don't see any Europeans saying 'why do so many yanks hate Europe?' do you? Yet just the same if not more Americans seem to hate America or do everything you say we do to you.
Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Just look at both point of views before you point the finger.
North County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
EGGD,
Please start a thread asking why Americans hate Europe. I would not mind seeing such a thread.
I only asked the question... I didn't write the posts of others.
It is very common in the US to air it all out and get to the root of the matter.
Right or wrong - Everyone has a right to their point of view.
It's better then another Boeing vs. Airbus thread.
Scotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
We don't hate you. We don't hate your country - spectacular in its natural beauty and in its cities and history. We hate your current government and president who take the p..s out of you and your fellow Americans as much as they do the rest of the world. Difference is, we recognise when we are getting it ripped out of us.
QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2482 times:
I hate certain people within the United States who believe that they and America are 100% bulletproof and are god's gift to mankind. This supreme arrogance makes most other foreign nationals want to puke. I'm not saying everyone in the US is like this - indeed the US is a land of great diversity. But it seems that a small, arrogant group of very loud Americans who tend to travel an awful lot to other countries - love to have their opinions on anything heard by anyone in the surrounding area.
That said - there is nothing more appealing than a modest American. I truly mean that.
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2469 times:
We don't hate your people or your country, we hate your general ignorance and narrow mindedness towards the rest of the world and the way your government thinks it can throw its weight around and be the worlds poilice because they are the only "Superpower".
We also hate the way your government can be so 2 faced and pick and choose what rules/regulations it wants to break/support in it's favour, then complaines when other countries do the same back to them - like the prisoners of war in Iraq/Cuba for example.
We also hate the way your government claims that it is doing things 'for Human Rights' when it is clear for all the world to see that they only get involved in world issues if there is a direct benefit to the US, like Iraq for example (Oil) - but they don't bother doing anything about Robert Mugabe for example as there is no benefit to them.
We also hate the way that Hollywood 'Changes History' when making films to make the US look great no matter what the situation, or even re-writes history altogether as was seen recently with that film about stealing the Enigma machine in WW2.
Personally - I hate the way you all Whoop and Cheer even at the slightest thing or for no reason at all - whats that all about ?.
So basically, it's your government that is most hated, not you yourselves as Americans or your country.
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
Bobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2448 times:
I think that Bush epitomises some of the things that Europeans like to dislike most about the USA. And, let's face it, he's an easy target.
Once we get past military belligerence / political arrogance, the list goes downhill very quickly. What else do we dislike? The hummvees, the food, the beer, the... err... that's about it.
That doesn't mean that all our opinions are negative. It's just that the way these boards work will tend to amplify any disagreements, and "I like the way you do X" is lost in the noise.
I'm not really a city guy, but I had the good fortune to spend a month in
middle-of-nowhere, Idaho (hmm.. nearly 2 years ago now). Loved every minute of it.
Flight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3291 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2448 times:
Personally - I hate the way you all Whoop and Cheer even at the slightest thing or for no reason at all - whats that all about ?.
Lstc From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2438 times:
I was sitting in a restaraunt in Old Montreal 2 days ago when I overheard a conversation at the next table with a father, mother and daughter (about 16).
After being greeted in French, the father, in a rather offensive tone said "Speak English". The server cheerfully spoke English and took the order. When the server walked away, the man told his family that it was incredible to him that "these people" just don't get it. He explained that anyone with money walking through the door at this time of year is going to speak English. The daughter said "but we ARE in a foreign country". The father explained that Canada was basically a US protectorate and they are pretty much a "fifty second" state. (I wonder what the 51st state is!)
He continued to tell her that you can travel anywhere in the world, and people will speak english because they "know what side their bread is buttered on", and that everyone in the world learns english in school as a second language. Apparantly these "uppity" French hold-outs in Quebec are just being antagonistic....
With people like this occasionally representing Americans, it's no wonder you get some negativity.
I know enough Americans to know that this attitude isn't prevalent. But then I read posts from MattD, and temporarily reconsider....
25 Mx5_boy: Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Just look at both point of views before you point the finger. ____________________________________________
26 B747forlife: You know, a lot of people talk about the ignorance of Americans, but you know what, there is planty of ignorance in Europe too... I like Europe by the
27 Superfly: To the human race; Hang in there, the Bushman regime will not last forever!
28 Aloges: (aftermath of 9/11, Frankfurt) An image can say more than a thousand words.
29 Jcs17: I think that Europe really tends to break down into two categories, the first category being the most prevalent: 1) Citizens of a nation who disagree
30 AC320: Did we really have to dig up this horse and beat the corpse some more?
31 Jcs17: After being greeted in French, the father, in a rather offensive tone said "Speak English". The server cheerfully spoke English and took the order. W
32 Hepkat: Jcs17, your arguments are flawed generalizations. There ARE conservative Europeans, however not even the most conservative European can compare to an
33 Hepkat: Oh, please. There are people like that in every country, not just America. Every country has people that are poor "ambassadors" of their country while
34 Cwapilot: Leezyjet and QANTASFOREVER...your blanket comments are fine examples of ignorance and arrogance in their own right...proving once again that arrogance
35 IMissPiedmont: Schoenorama, feel free to call me a "Yank" anytime. I take no offense. I just wonder how a batch of currency could possible hate the US. Oh yes, I mee
36 Jcs17: cs17, your arguments are flawed generalizations. There ARE conservative Europeans, however not even the most conservative European can compare to an e
37 B744: I'm in a position where I travel around the world regularly, mainly the Middle East, Europe (West, East & the former USSR), USA, Asia, Sth America and
38 Hepkat: Dont worry Hepkat, I'm not holding my breath waiting for a "conservative" European to proclaim, "End all social programs!" or "Bush is a great world l
39 UTA_flyinghigh: Most Euro's don't hate America or Americans. What they hate is the Americam foreign policy and the American ruling class (that includes government / l
40 Sebolino: The Europeans don't "hate" Americans generally, there would be no reason for that. However, it might be possible that some "Cheese eating surrender mo
41 L-188: Actually I belive that it was Groundskeeper Willie, that called the French, "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys" And he is actually Scottish, not America
42 QANTASFOREVER: Cwapilot, Would you kindly explain how my comments are fine examples of ignorance and arrogance? If you intend to criticise me - do so in a logical an
43 Ryanb741: Well, from a British perspective, I don't think that we hate the Americans at all, its rather the opposite in fact. Bush is not liked though, and ther
44 Leezyjet: Cwapilot, What are you going on about ? How are they arrogant and Ignorant ?. The poster asked for reasons, I was only responding to the question with
45 Qb001: To the Americans reading this post, maybe you should consider reading this.
46 FDXmech: Qb001, This is the beginning of the piece, >>>"I have often heard Canadians make disparaging remarks about their own country. In fact, it has been all
47 Qb001: FDXmech, I believe this article was written by an American. Had it been written by, say, a German, I would have dismissed it, as I know it wouldn't be
48 FDXmech: >>>I believe this article was written by an American. Had it been written by, say, a German, I would have dismissed it, as I know it wouldn't be taken
49 N79969: I agree with FDXmech. I will have to add Griessman to the list of baloney-peddling American writers. Among the worst: Susan Sonntag who I believe call
50 Cwapilot: Leezyjet and QANTASFOREVER--when you generalize like you do, accusing Americans as a group of being largely ignorant and arrogant, you demonstrate you
51 Flight152: Flight152, When I was in Florida this Spring Break, everytime we went anywhere, all we could here were people going "WOO YEAH" and just generally maki
52 GDB: Is there not a problem in the question? Euros? You mean Europe? A very diverse continent, with huge differences across the various nations. But rememb
53 Alessandro: Perhaps because the mighty USofA is currently a war based economy, the USofA exports most weapons (according to value) in the world and GWB is definit
54 FDXmech: >>>So Bush treating international law and institutions with contempt is alarming, these bodies and laws (largely set up by visionary Americans in the
55 GDB: Trust me, many of those who are concerned know that flouting international will come back to haunt the US. That's not good for anyone except our commo
56 Cancidas: Ignorance, Stupidity, Arrogance, Lack of Understanding, Chauvinism. I can go on. I am Polish born and have lived both in Europe and the US. I understa
57 Qb001: FDXmech, I appreciate your "no nonsense" views and your sense of humor; you gotta be one funny guy to hang around with. I could certainly find arrogan
58 QANTASFOREVER: Cwapilot - Okay then, here we go. You said: Leezyjet and QANTASFOREVER--when you generalize like you do, accusing Americans as a group of being largel
59 EGGD: GDB - Too some people 'Euro's' means the rest of the world outside America
60 L-188: I thought Euro's where those people that frequent those new age art galleries and cyber cafes. Always seem to wear a lot of black. :D
61 N79969: Qb001, I never said or even vaguely implied that I seek ideological lock-step. But I call 'bullshit' when I see it. That is all people like Sontag, Gr
62 Qb001: To say that Chomsky has contributed nothing to the universe of ideas perplexes me quite a bit... To me, that statement means one of two thing. Either
63 N79969: You're right. His work in linguistics is impressive. However his political commentary is nothing new. There plenty of other brilliant academics whose
64 Qb001: Chomsky's work is not siloed: linguistic on one side and political comments on the other; it's all intertwined. Chomsky's work in linguistic was to an
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