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31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl.  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3070191.stm

With so many different visitors from different countrys, many of them working in various airports, airlines etc., here on airliners.net I guess providing a link to this story might be worth it.


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
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The two most interesting paragraphs in that story are:

"Mr Studabaker told his family he had not touched Shevaun, and that he was furious because she had lied to him about her age, claiming she was a 19-year-old student"

and

"Shevaun's parents believe she had not realised the ex-marine was 31, thinking him to be about 19."

They "met" in an internet chatroom....where you can be whatever you want to be. I was more than surprised that the parents of the girl let have access to the internet for 5 hours at a time, and on occasion when unsupervised, it appears 11 hours!

David



User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

What's wrong with letting her have unsupervised internet access?

It's just a medium. Would you stop her spending the same amount of time out in public unsupervised? There's much more risk in your nearest town centre than there is in a chatroom.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2421 times:

Look at it this way, Bobrayner. Would you think it normal for a child to be in front of the TV for 11 hours straight? Probably not. Being at the computer for such a length of time is not particularly desirable. As for comparing it to being out in public, actually seeing people is somewhat different, the internet by its nature allows people to pretend they are different to who they really are. In this case, we don't know that has happened, but there are enough instances of children being "groomed" for sensible parents to be wary.

You do not know who I am, I do not know who you are. That is the advantage (I have absolutely no intention of disclosing my identity on a website like this) and also the disadvantage when those who have evil motives use it.



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2403 times:

This is bad news, the chat room need to be regulated some.
I remember when I was 10, I went into a lesbian chat room and told every there I was a 21 year old female, looking for another female.



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User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2399 times:

The truly disturbing thing is that, at the time of posting this, they are stilll together, somewhere in Europe, and he is saying she is OK! I mean, by now she knows he isn't 19, he is 31; and he knows she isn't 19, she is 12. So why isn't she back home? Pronto!! Immediately??

Bill



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2393 times:



Is it me or does this girl look like a boy? Maybe it is just the mugshot.

TNBoy, They're... IN LUUUUUUUUUUV!!!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2389 times:
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Breaking news is that he's been arrested in Germany.

David


User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

You're sure?

The news here...not yet.

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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2378 times:
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And she's been found "in the UK"

More on this BBC story

David


User currently offlineGloBaLeXpResS From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Yeah, hes been arrested in Frankfurt, Germany and she is in the "company" of Greater Manchester Police.

I have a few issues to raise which come from this story. Firstly, you have to be careful on chatrooms but only SOME chatrooms. Stories like these, prompt news channels into making parents shit themselves about how much access they give their children to the internet. Lycos, Yahoo, MSN and AOL chat is poor anyway. For example, parents might hear that they were on aviation chat and freak because they think they might meet and be taken advantage of by someone. Thats rubbish, as many know.

My parents had initial problems with my use of the chatroom, but got to know that its not like those crappy chatrooms in which 31 year olds meet 12 year olds, and plan to fly 3000 miles to "meet" in a terribly stupid, and unsensible idea.

What I'm trying to say is that incidents like this tar chatrooms with the same brush.

My second main point, is that when this guy saw the girl he either thought - "shes not 19", or he thought "shes butt ugly". I would have thought both. If the guy was genuinely in belief that she was 19, then I feel sorry for him. If she was lying to him, then she is a mega bitch because she may cause him to be charged with abduction.

In my opinion, just another example of gross ignorance and stupidy in our world today.


User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2358 times:


GloBaLeXpResS

Stories like these, prompt news channels into making parents shit themselves about how much access they give their children to the internet.


That's called sensationalism. Just like how 'hackers' were given the sour side of the lemon even though a harmless documentary were made dedicated to them, the media is now sensationalizing about how the internet is harmful to the minors.

As for parent supervision (I'm not a parent but this is my 2 cents), they should focus more on her being not inside, but outside the house because that's where the problem happened anyways.

(gotAirbus?)



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User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

THAT'S the girl?!? Daaaaaaamn! She looks like some little 12 y/o punk-ass boy.


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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

THAT'S the girl?!? Daaaaaaamn! She looks like some little 12 y/o punk-ass boy.

Is it me or does this girl look like a boy? Maybe it is just the mugshot.


I'm amazed at the utter laxk of maturity of some members. These members feel the need to contribute to the forum, and they are wlcome to. But when they contribute, at least in this instance, they contribute pure crap.


User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Relax, and then take another look at that picture. Good lord!


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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2295 times:



Looks a lot like a young girl to me....


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Are Detroit women that bad?
Are single women in there 30s that bad?



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

I'm more concerned about the picture they used for the guy:



Oh, and another picture of the girl:


With all due respect, I think I know why she chose the web to find someone to love: A low self-esteem.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

I would just like to correct something..

"31 Year Old Soldier Runs Of With 12 Year Old Girl."

This guy is not a soldier, he was formerly in the Marine Corps but he is not and was not during the time of the abduction a member of the Military.

He was discharged prior to this.




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User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4334 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

A 31 year old with three years in service and ONLY an E-3 aka Lance Corporal. Something has to tell me this guy was probably a shitbag in the Marine Corps. He looks like a lazy Private Pyle to me. No wonder he was discharged probably an other-then-honorable dischange and the minimum years you can now serve in the armed forces is 4 years.

And now he is abucting 12 years old girls online? This guy really needs a life.

Kevin


User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Yeah, and how old was that picture, FlyBoy?

He didn't abduct anybody. She lied and said she was 19. When he found out he sent her home. When German authorities caught him, she was already en route to England. This was really blown out of proportion.

Here's something to ponder: How come its only international news when a suburban WHITE girl goes missing?



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Just two things to remember:

1. When things like this one and stories about second-rate German and Italian politicians calling each other names are on the front-page of the newspapers, you should know instinctively that we have reached what we call the Sommerloch in Germany, that is, nothing going on in the world to catch the reader's interest, so they start working on the lowest of mankind's instincts.
Just leave it, it isn't worth it.

2. To a few members here: Not only on this thread we find posts of you guys giving very immature and rude comments about the looks of other people. Now get your asses up and walk to your bathrooms and look into the mirror: Now ask yourself: Are you qualified to give such shitty remarks in public?
No, you are not!!!



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User currently offlineGloBaLeXpResS From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Actually, Gocaps I believe he was honourably discharged, for reasons undisclosed.

Some new news, the FBI believe they've found evidence of child pornography on his computer. An interesting and shocking development, this may but the nail in this guys coffin.

Extradition to the UK, and thus being charged with abduction and grooming of children (that is a new law, that punishes adults for "inticing" children into meeting them for sexual relations).

Obviously, we'll see what happens.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2149 times:

He was given a discharge due to a shoulder inury.

Also, I wonder why they chose the least flattering picture of him? The one they used in the paper I read, was when he was in the military, where he looked a bit more normal than the picture I linked to earlier.


User currently offlineGloBaLeXpResS From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

CPH-R That was the most recent picture, of him arriving at MAN. They had previously been using the military picture, but obviously had to update his image at the time of the search.

User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 25, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Here is an interresting fact; I was taking pictures at MAN when the plane they were on departed for London. Hmmm.  Insane

Thom@s



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