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Little Confidence In Way Bush Is Handling Iraq  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1068 times:

I just came across this poll on http://www.cnn.com/wolf . It appears that by an overwhelming amount the American public has lost confidence in the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq.



Do you have confidence in the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?
Yes 6% 514 votes
No 94% 7928 votes
Total: 8442 votes


Somehow I doubt now that Bush will be re-elected. The situation in Iraq is terrible. The economy is terrible. The school system still sucks. The health care issues are far from resolved. Usama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are still on the loose. The world hates us and our foreign policy. Civil liberties are being compromised. The budget deficit is out of control. Our troops want to come home. Has Bush done anything right?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1058 times:

Don't trust an one-button online vote like this.
Ballot-stuffing is a regular occurrence.

Somebody who feels strongly about the issue can send a loaded email all their friends encouraging them to vote (and forward it to their friends...)

Of course, if it's poorly implemented then there's probably no more than a cookie recording your site visit, so if you block cookies from that site you can vote thousands of times, until your finger gets sore. I haven't bothered checking CNN.com for this possibility.

(PS. I voted No.  Big grin )



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1049 times:

I agree...there are way too many unresolved issues for this president. The situation is bad for him and I really must say, he's f-cked up things quite seriously. I think the only thing Bush has done right is cunningly (and unconscionably) use 9/11 as his soapbox from which to get what he wanted. I'm sick of the whole situation, quite honestly. I'm confident that the American public will come to their senses.

...the citizen who thinks he sees that the commonwealth's political clothes are worn out, and yet holds his peace and does not agitate for a new suit, is disloyal; he is a traitor.

-Mark Twain




Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1043 times:

Jhooper:

Check http://www.pollingreport.com/index.html for more accurate polling reports.

From that site:

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. July 10-11, 2003. N=1,017 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

Approve 53% (65%;69% on earlier polls, respectively)
Disapprove 39% (29%;26% on earlier polls, respectively)
No Opinion 8% (6%;5% on earlier polls, respectively)



"The world hates us and our foreign policy."

I don't hate you (not even B757300  Wink/being sarcastic); I just hate your foreign policy.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1037 times:

Yeah but outside of those things.....You forgot unemployment is at a 9 year high too.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

Yeah but outside of those things.....You forgot unemployment is at a 9 year high too.

And you continuously forget the economy happens in cycles. The President can't be blamed for a recession. He can't be credited with a boom either. Hey, Dubya hasn't done much to help the economy at all, but don't forget that this recession started at the end of Clinton's term.

The economy is all cycles. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Clinton, like Reagan, is no God.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

The overwhelming amount of the American public gets its view of Iraq from the news media that seems to concentrate on the negative things.

You would be surprised that on the issue of water, or the free flowing of it, is now at it's highest level far surpassing what the previous dictator ever did for his people. The amount of work that this took is amazing if you know anything about what it takes to supply, pump, and flow accessible drinking water. You never hear about things like that, so how could you have conidence?

Things, good things, just don't happen overnight. We seem to have come to expect that in our fast pace, I want it now society. It's not quite fair to say that you have little confidence towards the President. Not fair at all.

Confidence sure. Patience, absolutely.




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Clipperhawaii, Where did you get your news on Iraq's water??? How did you know it was correct ???


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 989 times:

Dc10, this was confirmed by AFIS and I have a reason that it may very well be true. (AFIS is Armed Forces Information Services that reported on U.S. Army Corp of Engineers amongst others)
One of the most prevalent things that occurs when water is short, is disease. Cholera for one. There has been no major health crisis due to water shortages. Certain areas are still only at 80% of pre war flow but the flow is consistent and the effort being made in infrastructure is massive. Some areas have even reported better flow and quality.
Safe drinking water is certainly one of the first steps in returning the quality of life beyond pre war levels back to Iraqis.

By all means these hydro projects are not done and will continue. Specifically in outlying areas that at best, reach only 55% of areas capable of getting potable water.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes that most are not privy to, hence the lack of confidence portrayed by some.




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Fixing there water & electric supply is something I'm sure we can do a great job at. Of course we did just do a really great job of blowing it all up. I hope we can win there hearts & minds. Iraq will have a American presence for a long time.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 960 times:

I think the public is losing confidence in Bush because we were promised a quick victory and a short occupation.Those promises were based on optimism and were used to sell the war. However they were also impossible.To me victory has not come yet and we cannot start occupying until most of the major threats are out of the way.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 955 times:

Who promised us a quick victory and short occupation?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Any Internet poll is useless. As others have said, they can be rigged when a group of people with an agenda decide to "stuff the box".


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 923 times:

Jhooper
From United States, joined Dec 2001, 3102 posts, RR: 50
Reply: 11
Posted Thu Jul 17 2003 10:00:28 UTC+1 and read 31 times:
Who promised us a quick victory and short occupation?


No one did, as it was stated this would not be a cake walk and we would be there for a while. Bush and administration never stated it would be a cake walk.





"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 900 times:

No one did, as it was stated this would not be a cake walk and we would be there for a while. Bush and administration never stated it would be a cake walk.

Rumsfeld wasn't really sure, but ventured an estimate:
"It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

Wolfowitz later reckoned that Iraq would be up and running (under an interim Iraqi government) in under six months.

Cheney also said "Weeks rather than months".

Do you remember the soundbites about "shock and awe" , and so on?



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 878 times:

They were probably talking about the "major combat" operations of the war. Nobody said the occupation would be over that quickly.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 872 times:

They were probably talking about the "major combat" operations of the war. Nobody said the occupation would be over that quickly.

Yes, they did.

Some statements by Wolfowitz:

1. First - and this is really the overarching principle - the United States seeks to liberate Iraq, not occupy Iraq ... If the President should decide to use force, let me assure you again that the United States would be committed to liberating the people of Iraq, not becoming an occupation force.

2. If you're looking for a historical analogy, it's probably closer to post-liberation France [after WW2].

3. We have no desire to occupy Iraq

If you're not convinced, many more quotes are out there.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 866 times:

Some statements by Wolfowitz:

1. First - and this is really the overarching principle - the United States seeks to liberate Iraq, not occupy Iraq ... If the President should decide to use force, let me assure you again that the United States would be committed to liberating the people of Iraq, not becoming an occupation force.

2. If you're looking for a historical analogy, it's probably closer to post-liberation France [after WW2].

3. We have no desire to occupy Iraq

If you're not convinced, many more quotes are out there.


It still doesn't state or imply that this was going to be quick or easy, were does it state we are gonna be out of the quickly?



"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 860 times:

It still doesn't state or imply that this was going to be quick or easy, were does it state we are gonna be out of the quickly?

Perhaps this is a semantic issue. I tend to think that "not occupy" is incompatible with keeping troops in the country for months after the invasion finished. Can you reconcile them?



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 858 times:

(my personal opinion is that, now that the troops are there, they should actually stay and work to get Iraq back on its feet. However, I can spend all day picking holes in the Bush administration's bizarre excuses and justifications...)



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 858 times:

Yes, occupation means we totally control their government, never let them have a government of their own, rape all their resources, totally control the general population with marshal law, limit all of the luxuries that are given to the public. Remove their religion and replace it with ours. and never leave until we are forced out by military action. THATS WHAT AN OCCUPATION IS.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8686 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 853 times:

"Yes, occupation means we totally control their government, never let them have a government of their own, rape all their resources, totally control the general population with marshal law, limit all of the luxuries that are given to the public. Remove their religion and replace it with ours. and never leave until we are forced out by military action. THATS WHAT AN OCCUPATION IS."

But you don't expect anyone to like seeing that happen to him/her, do you? Or are you not serious?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Occupation? If you need a meaning, just ask the 1930's German or Japanese what occupation is. They were the experts.

Or better yet, ask the Pole or the Chinese what occupation is.




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 822 times:

Obviously, we will be "occupying" Iraq until their new government is established. We can't just go in there, blow everything up, and then leave! The occupation shouldn't last any longer than necessary to establish a new, stable government, which is a process that is underway.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 799 times:

Any Internet poll is useless. As others have said, they can be rigged when a group of people with an agenda decide to "stuff the box".

Although it's true that polls, and certainly internet polls, are crap, it is strange that this same right conservative republican bush lover was attacking me and other users a few weeks ago when we had criticism on polls pro-bush.

Hypocrisy? Blindness? Ignorance? All three I guess?


25 Petertenthije : Polls like these can not be trusted. This one can not be trusted either. The reasons for this are: * CNN is an international site, us European can als
26 Alpha 1 : Any Internet poll is useless. B757300, I doubt you thought it was "useless" when an overwhelming of people in "internet polls" were supporting going t
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