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What The Hell Was Pontiac Thinking?  
User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

Okay first of all I would like to hear your thoughts on what the hell Pontiac was thinking when they designed and gave the final go for the Aztek? It has got to be the ugliest thing I have ever seen and I have never seen one on the road (only at the dealership). Anyhow, 2 days ago I was taking my car in to be looked at and the dealership who looked at it had 3 Azteks for sale and I went and looked inside and boy it looked nasty with all these wierd shapes going on up in there. To tell you the truth I would much rather drive a minivan over that ugly excuse for a vehicle. So do you guys think Pontiac made a huge mistake when they decided to produce this thing.

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User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 895 times:

I have seen several of them on the road, and I can't believe the Daytona 500 had one as their offical pace car. Its absolutly aweful. I laugh every time I see one for just the way they look and that someone actually paid money for one. Now the two doo Echo is another piece. That is rediculous, I can't believe people sersiously consider cars like that when there is so much competiton in those price ranges.

User currently offlineDoomfox From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 897 times:

They took a chance.
Dodge did the same thing with the Caravan, and it paid off pretty well. Most people thought that they were pretty damn ugly when they came out too.
We'll just have to wait and see about this Aztec. I agree, its pretty damn ugly, but it could grow on people.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 895 times:

Yeah I agree that the Echo is kinda funny looking, I actually saw one when they first came out and the price was quite low (about 10,000 USD) which is probably one of lowest you will find in the US (besides for Kia's and Hyundai's) and it got something like 40mpg, it is just too short and tall. Also another funny car is the Kia Rio, that car looks very similar to the Echo. I still dont understand why these people buy them though.

User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 891 times:

In my opinion the only good looking cars today are comming from Europe.

Volvo has nicely squared their shit away with a full line of new cars. Sharp looking but front wheel drive.

The Jags are looking nice also. A bit pricey however.

The Germans have a fine showing with Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Porsche. VW is getting a little ugly for my tastes but they are super refined cars.

Saab Makes a descent looking car also.

Then of course you have Aston Martin.

Now lets talk about America. I used to be a Mustang enthusiast. Now I can't stomach the re design. Plain and simple Nasty !!!

The Camaro is ugly and the Firebird overdone, and both built like shit.

That Pontiac Aztec thing....I can't go there it's so ugly.

America builds the best trucks. Only because no one else builds them at all.

An exception is Landrover. Thank god for American truck makers that it's expensive and out of the reach of most people.

Honda is bland bland bland. Though well built. But it's bland.

Nissan is also UGLY. All of it.

Toyota is bland. Trying to build a car for everyone. There all bland except for the Echo which falls into the just ugly category along with that joke of a roadster convertable thing. Yuck.

The Mistubishi redesign of the eclipse does nothing for me.

Infinit....Do they even exist anymore?

Acura...Bland and uninspiring. Even the NSX is too well mannered to be fun.

Olds is out of business...Thank god.

The Vette....Wow. Cheap build but inspiring performance and looks. A near quality car that just needs a little more no a lot more quality.

The new bad boy on the block is the new BMW M3. Need I say more. If I do then it's the M5. You want more performance than that you'd have to look up to the Porsche 911.

JET


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 885 times:

The Corvette C-5 Hardtop is the most beatifull car i know.

But about Olds: I was in the USA on holiday this summer, we got a rental car, am Olds Intrigue, and this one was much better then the most european cars i know. It is big (like all american cars), confortable and really isn't ugly.

I don't think the european cars are really better than the americans. Naturally Ferraris are special, but the common cars aren't better.

Martin



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Designers have to take a chance and they did. Much like the re-design of the Dodge truck, the PT Cruiser (which in my mind is uglier than an Aztek).

If it catches on, I bet many designers will maybe shift more towards this look. And then I bet everyone will change their opinions.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 865 times:

Yea because the Echo looks like and drives like totall crap! This is America we dont need that small of a stupid vehicle take that thing to London or Tokyo where its jam packed and small countries!

User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 857 times:

You guys know, I presume, how GM/Chrysler/Ford work, right? They make a car and rebadge it under another make. These are called twins. Examples are:

Infiniti I30 = a really nice Nissan Maxima
Infiniti QX4 = a big, more expensive Pathfinder
Pontiac Grand Am/Oldsmobile Alero
Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy/Oldsmobile Bravada (all the same car)
Ford Ranger/Mazda B-Series Truck
Dodge Caravan/Chrysler Town and Country/Chrysler (nee Plymouth) Voyager

If you get what I'm saying, all of the above cars are the same, just with different names. The newest car to join this "techno-twin" automobile entity is none other than the hideous, slow selling Pontiac Aztek.

The Pontiac Aztek is a techno twin of the upcoming Buick Rendevous. I've seen pictures of this Buick, and it is just like the Aztek, only a little more rounded and more chromed.

L-1011-500


User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 850 times:

I dont think it would look as bad if the back didn't slant down. But it is mostly aimed twards people who camp alot, and are really recreational people. Its very versitile for those types of actitvites.

Anywayz-
A really ugly car i think, is the Ford Focus...ewww...


User currently offlineCXA330-342 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 829 times:

The front end is really nasty, too. The turn signals look stupid at that height, and those headlights need to get out of the bumpers. The fuel cap needs to be covered. It is not a Hummer. The rear is nasty. Visibility would be zero if they didn't have that semi-transparent panel under the main rear windshield. That's really unpractical. It would cost a fortune to repair one if it were involved in a rear-ender. The side cladding also sucks, as do the window panels and pillars. Basically, I find nothing appealing of that vehicle, and Pontiac should stop wasting the earth's resources.

User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 824 times:

If i got one for free I would probably drive it, but other wise, i woudln't be spending over 20 grand for it...ya know?




User currently offlineCXA330-342 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 819 times:

I can see why one would drive it if they got it for free, but I personally wouldn't want to be caught to be caught dead in one. Heck, I would be seen in one for all the money in the world.

User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 817 times:

Do you mean WOULDN'T be seen in one for all the money in the world?

User currently offlineCXA330-342 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 808 times:

Yes, I do. Sorry about that!! Thanks for catching that one!

User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 802 times:

I'm glad somebody agrees with me. That has got to be the ugliest automobile on the planet

User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 799 times:

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User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 797 times:

I agree with you JET. The Europeans make the best looking cars, no doubt about it. They also keep their attractiveness for years to come. Mercedes, BMW, etc come out with a new design for a model about every 7 years or so while Honda, Toyota, etc, just crank them out as much as they can. I just wish they were more reliable. My poor Audi is running like crap and no mechanic seems to want to touch it.

User currently offlineIflycoach From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 796 times:

The stuff from BMW is getting kind of odd - have you seen there converitibles(Sp?)?
The Cadilac Escalde is just as square as there other cars so the thing is just as ugly as the Aztec just more room and another 20,000 dollars!
Don't ask why but I just love the looks of the 2000+ Tahoes and the 2001 Silverado 2500 HD (Not the duallie)


User currently offlineJWM AIRTRANS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Pontiac is very bold... very bold. I don;t know if they planned to make it a failure... They planned on selling 75K, but they only sold 11K. The Daytona 500 had the Aztek as their official pace car because Pontiac aleways provides the car (usually whatever theyt are trying to promote) and they just thought to use teh Aztek... pretty smart. I think it looks just as ugly without the gray plastic body pannelling as it does without...

As for the $20K thing, I know... its not like its a lot of money... but when you could have something so much better (Jetta?) for that much money, why would you go for it? I understamd that there are some people who love the Aztek... but not me.

In Detroit, GM gave 500 Azteks to executives, so that's why you see so many here. The dealers are overstocked. Does anyone know where they are made?Mexico is my guess...

One more thing:

Aztek= Pontiac Montana Minivan + 1988 Pontiac Le Mans.

Jack


User currently offlineTWA From Iran, joined Sep 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 783 times:

JETPILOT stated:

Well for your information PROPPILOT, The Camaro kicks ass!!!!! It will fly, Its built awesome, and it doesent look ugly. I have a 1998 Z28 and I love it!!!!!

Wait until LOT767-300 reads your post. He will kick your butt

Regards,
TWA


User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 775 times:

Yes the Aztec is an abonination from those that gave us the Bonnies, Goats, Birds, and so forth. So "trendy" it comes off as stilted. That's what happens when a company is run by "brand managers". -- BTW Jet pilot: I must say I disagree with your take on the Firebird/Camaro: 4th gen "F" bodies are very well built cars...mechanically and body-wise. Can't be compared to the 3rd gens...perfect body line fits, nice basecoat/clearcoat...and no rattles...but they always had good (V8) engines/drivetrains. The Corvette has no peer: C4's were great performers that needed some refinement--C5's need not apologize to anyone. ( although the C4's looked better IMO ). Volvo hadn't made a car worth a damn since the rugged old "roundy" twin carb 68's. Keeping Volvo's, Saabs, and especially Audi's ( I won't even mention Peugeot, Renault, and the queen mother...F.I.A.T. ) running for image concious owners put me through college.

User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 771 times:

A great car is definitely the new Volvo S60 T5 equipped with the manual transmission. Anybody who has seen the gear shift and felt how nice it is inside will know what I mean. And it is not boxy at all...it looks like silk.
Also, despite its age, the Acura Integra has aged fairly well, considering it came out in late 1993 as a 94 model.

Italian Beauty - Maserati Merak SS (If you have seen this 1970s-1980s masterpiece, you know what I mean)

I love the Toyota Celica. It has love it or hate it styling. I love it. And I like even more what's under the hood; a four banger with 180 hp. Nice. It's a screamer, I think peak hp happens around 7000 RPM. Jeez!

L-1011-500


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 769 times:

The Camaro, Firebird, Trans Am is a fast piece of junk. In my opinion the looks are marginal at best.

The car rides like someone installed steal bars where the shocks were supposed to be. The ride is brutal. So brutal that it rattles like a baby's toy.

The fit and finish are poor, but no worse than any other Chevy automoblile.

The interior is plastic and seems....well like plastic.

The seats are unsupportive. The car is overweight. The engine is hidden under the windsheild rendering the eighth plug unremovable unless you take off the header.

The rear axle is solid beam not good for much of anything especially handling.

The engine is a dinosour with it's internal cam as is the Vettes.

The chasis is torrsionaly weak. The front end is cheap McPherson strut. The stearing is overboosted.

Should I continue. I've driven them and wasn't impressed other than the fact it was damn fast in a straight line. It needs refinment it will never get.

Drop by a BMW dealer and ask for a test drive in a new 325Ci with a sport package. Everything will fall into perspective for you then.

In life you get what you pay for.

Don't pedal your bullshit around me. I'm not 18. I know a thing or 2 about cars.

To show you what I'm talking about I have a 1987 GNX. #145. Do you know what that is?

It's the fastest production car in America until the ZR1 came along, and then the Viper. And they were just marginaly faster.

The car is put together like shit. It's heavy, doesn't handle all that well even though it's suspension was designed around handling.

But I understsnd what it is. It's faster than I can describe here without using lots of profanity.

My 2000 BMW is an infinetly better car. Silent inside at all speeds. The legendary BMW brakes and steering. Not a rattle to be heard. Amazing handling with it's 50/50 weight distibution. Smooth 5 speed and clutch. Rear wheel drive with posi. Everything about the BMW is better. Except the acceleration.

Where are all the racing Camaros? I see plenty of Vettes, BMW's Audis, Vauxhauls, and Acuras in the touring circuit races.

While the quality has increased in the F body it is has remained stagnant in order with other manufacturers. Everyones quality is getting better. The bar is raised when another manufacturer introduces a new model with better fit and finish.

I rent all the JUNK american cars when I go away on vacation every month. I have hated everyone of them. Especially the Pontiac Grand Am's and Grand Prixs. What horrible cars !!!!!!!!!!

Some people may buy BMW's or Benz's for status but that's not the whole picture. These people are buying the car for all the wrong reasons.

I had just arrived in Germany and was getting on the Autobahn. I was on the on ramp merging, and I was thinking to myself, "shit 2 frickin lanes? This can't be the Autobahn" I was now going to have to find my way off and find the right directions. When all of a sudden an E430 passed me doing about a buck 50.

Don't be mistaken. Mercedes are high speed touring cars designed for speeds well over 100 miles per hour on a routine basis. They are bad ass cars make no mistake. Alluminum cylinder blocks and heads. The general population has a weapon of war and they have no idea what it is capable of.

The European manufacturers have two models of each car. The softened US bound cars with softer springs and shock settings, and then they have the cars that are to be used in europe.

Ever hear of the BMW M5. It's no joke. 5.0 liter 394 HP V8. 275/35/18 rear tires. 235/40/18 front. 13.6 inch front brakes. 6 speed manual trans. 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, and the quarter mile in 13.3. By the way if you didn't know its a 4 door familly sedan.

AllI have left to say is please !!!!! I had a mustang when I was 22 and I thought that was the deal. You'll grow up also.


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 764 times:

You are forgetting a couple:

Ford Escape = Mazda Tribute
Mercury Villager = Nissan Quest
Cadillac Catera = Chevy Malibu/Impala
Pontiac Aztec = Alien Spaceship



Fly Delta's Big Jets!
25 TWA : Thats your opinion, But the Camaro and the Firebird are awesome looking cars. My Camaro Z28 rides smooth as hell The fit and finish is great The inter
26 L-1011-500 : N312RC- The Cadillac Catera and the Chevrolet Impala and Malibu are not at all related. The Catera is an individual car for USA markets, but I know it
27 L-1011-500 : N312RC- The Cadillac Catera and the Chevrolet Impala and Malibu are not at all related. The Catera is an individual car for USA markets, but I know it
28 747-451 : Actually, the Xterra is uglier...it looks like a box an Imac would come in and that "plastic rack" on top looks like something stolen from a shopping
29 Adam84 : Hey your talking about the Integra aging well, you are pretty much correct. My stepbrother owns a 1997 Acura Integra GS-R and that is one reliable car
30 Meister808 : I personally think the Aztek is pretty cool looking, but only the 4door version. Now, don't get me started on the PT Cruiser... it's just plain ugly.
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