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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6055 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Picked this one up over at DU.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s910658.htm

The Japanese Parliament has approved plans to send ground troops to Iraq to assist in post-war reconstruction. It will be the first deployment of Japanese troops since World War II to a country where fighting is still going on.

The BBC reports the vote in favour of the deployment represents a major political victory for the Japanese Prime Minister, Junichiro Koizumi, who had staked his political future on getting it through.

Opposition parties fought bitterly against the bill, saying it breached the Japanese constitution. The constitution forbids the use of military forces, except for defence.

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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

I lost all respect for the Japanese when they endorsed the war, and for the fact that they're loosing their cultural values to capitalist greed, they're going to be in deep shit by sending their troops, another wannabe/me too nation along with Qatar, Spain and Poland all Johnny come lately's.


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User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

assist in post-war reconstruction

What's done is done. Although I too opposed the war, like many others here and offline, I think helping out in post-war Iraq, while not necessarily "admirable" is not a bad thing either.

Ok, the US has created one hell of a mess against the wishes of many, but I think we have a role here: I know this line has been trotted out already, but HUMANS ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HELP.

In that sense, I feel holding your head up high and repeating the mantra "I told you so" and ignoring this, just because it's not your mess, is WRONG.

Time to forget the massive arguments, ACCEPT that the US has got its way and join in with trying to help out THE PEOPLE as much as possible.

The US Administration didn't plan sh*it with regards to the 'post-war' situation, so we are going to have to all help out. How long are we going to have arguments for, while people die on the streets? It's pointless - we made our opposition clear, now let's just get on with trying to sort something out.

[Edited 2003-07-26 13:57:21]

User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

p.s. to assist in post-war reconstruction

That's their only role, and I'm glad they are helping out.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

I lost all respect for the Japanese when they endorsed the war, and for the fact that they're loosing their cultural values to capitalist greed, they're going to be in deep shit by sending their troops, another wannabe/me too nation along with Qatar, Spain and Poland all Johnny come lately's.

Damn, I'm sure the Japanese are just completely distraught over what a blindly Islamic, 16 year old from Pakistan thinks about their foreign policy. I'm sure you would rather have the Japanese make a contribution to some Palestinian causes, maybe Hamas, Hezbollah, or perhaps Al-Asqa. After all, the only people whose lives matter in your eyes are Muslims... Who cares about the Christians who were tortured in Iraq, right? If capitalist greed involves saving entire groups of people from ethnic cleansing...then damn I want to be greedy. But to you it seems, the only thing that ever matters is your religion, and whether someone who is Muslim is being harmed...Apparently, a very notable terrorist thinks the same way as well.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

No I never said I care only about Muslims, and the 16 year old bit is funny.


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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

I have to agree with DoorsToManual here.

Iraq needs help. It's ridiculous to claim sympathy for Iraq against an unjustified invasion (largely engineered to win votes/prestige halfway around the world), then criticize anybody who tries to clean up the consequences of that invasion.

Or is your anti-americanism stronger than your charity?

We could spend days debating how this infringes the Japanese contitution, but it's hardly de rigeur for states to follow their constitution to the letter nowadays, and they mean well by doing it.

and for the fact that they're loosing their cultural values to capitalist greed
What values are they losing from this? And are they going drilling for oil? I think not. Perhaps they might hope for some reconstruction deals, but you should be crowing over any contract that isn't awarded to Bechtel or Halliburton.

all Johnny come lately's
What has Pakistan done for international relations recently?



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Jcs17,

Shame on you for saying that Airmale's statement reflects a 16-year old mentality. It's an insult to 16-year olds everywhere!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Charles


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

They'll assist in "post-war reconstruction." HArd to do when the war is still going on, isn't it.

Oh, I forgot, it ended May 1st, at the moment George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier. My bad.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3629 times:
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Damn, I'm sure the Japanese are just completely distraught over what a blindly Islamic, 16 year old from Pakistan thinks about their foreign policy.

And this coming from another wannabe 16 year college kid from texas? He being 16 years old, islamic and from Pakistan has nothing to do with the question in hand.

Keep up your fabulous contribution to this forum smart alec.





In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Damn, I'm sure the Japanese are just completely distraught over what a blindly Islamic, 16 year old from Pakistan thinks about their foreign policy.

Just as distraught as many of us are (not) over a blindly jingoistic teenager from the United States, who really doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

I keep forgetting most members here are in their teens, why do i even bother. Next time I'll check their profiles before responding.

heres one Japanese I really like



what a doll Big grin



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

I lost all respect for the Japanese when they endorsed the war, and for the fact that they're loosing their cultural values to capitalist greed, they're going to be in deep shit by sending their troops, another wannabe/me too nation along with Qatar, Spain and Poland all Johnny come lately's.

Japan, the Republic of Poland, Spain, and Qatar have lost all respect for Pakistan...if they ever had any for that country to begin with. Japan, Poland, Spain, and Qatar are sending troops to assist in the reconstruction of a war-torn nation. What is Pakistan doing!?

Pakistan on the other hand sponsors terrorist activities (in India), builds WMDs to threaten India, and hasn't been very productive in their so-called help with the US to find Bin Ladin. Now I'm convinced he is being sheltered there.

Don't ever insult Poland, it's a better country than Pakistan will ever be, and many Pakistanis come to Poland seeking jobs and education...as they do throughout Europe and the US.

And I think Japan has done a great job in keeping their cultural values throughout the modern day world (ie capitalism)

B4e-Forever New Frontiers
LONG LIVE POLAND OVER PAKISTAN!


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

First off JCS is a 20 year old college kid, I met him, I know it.
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I agree with JCS, I don't think anyone is losing sleep over Airmale losing respect for the Japanese. I don't the Japanese could care less on what most of you people think. Because most of you people are completely uneducated and don't know a damn thing on what you are talking about. Some of you people are so god damn ignorant and close minded you deserve to be punched. It's sad you some of you can't see this.
Open you minds people.

[Edited 2003-07-26 19:46:06]

[Edited 2003-07-26 19:54:20]


Go big or go home
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

The way most of you have responded seems as if my views set your ass hair on fire, losing sleep seems to pale in comparison.


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Speaking of losing cultural values for capitalist greed...






Please... take your nonsense elsewhere. Since when is Japan's constitutional requirement for using military for self defense purposes a Japanese cultural value? It was forced by the American administration (and not such a bad idea).


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Boeing4ever:

"Japan, Poland, Spain, and Qatar are sending troops to assist in the reconstruction of a war-torn nation."

Are they? Are you sure they aren't simply sending troops to favour the US, so some day, they can get something back?

"What is Pakistan doing!?

Pakistan is doing exactly the same thing India has done, or Germany or France: they are rejecting sending THEIR troops to Iraq as long as these would be under US command. They are only willing to send troops under a 'UN-umbrella'.

"Don't ever insult Poland..."

Why not?

"....it's a better country than Pakistan will ever be, and many Pakistanis come to Poland seeking jobs and education...as they do throughout Europe and the US."

Actually, I believe there were more Polish illegal immigrants in Europe outside Poland than there are Pakistanis.

"And I think Japan has done a great job in keeping their cultural values throughout the modern day world (ie capitalism)"

Since when is capitalism a 'cultural value'? Hara-kiri is a 'cultural value', and that's what they are doing by placing their troops in Iraq directly under Donald Rumsfeld's command.

"LONG LIVE POLAND OVER PAKISTAN!"

Pathetic.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

The cultural value part is something I have been noticing about Japan for years it has nothing to do with sending troops, I respected Japan for the fact they had a non-interfereing stance to war related issues buty since 9/11 everyone seems to be wanting to be made to feel important in some way so their countries are discussed in the news around the world daily, I remeber sapin was like non existant in Asian press till the Iraq war as for Poland ...., as far as Pakistan is concerned they were thurst into the lime light due to their geo-strategic position vis a vis Afghanistan and India, they are now trying their best to not get involved in the post war so called "stabilising forces" which already the Iraqi's are calling a play of words for "occupation forces", and quite rightfully so, Pakistan has nothing to do with the Iraq issue, they are not are neigbours, they never suported Pakistan on their issues with India even though they're Muslim so why should Pakistan care, yes Humanitarian assistance is another issue which the country is willing to send people for.

If the Japanese are now so world affairs concious, how come they are not running any major aid organisations around the world? why are they all western? maybe that is something Japan needs to focus on and iIm sure Asian aid agencies will be better recieved in some regions. Thats a part I would love to see Japan play, they were my most favoured nation once upon a time so I do feel disappointed seeing them involved in this Iraq thing.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Japan's "cultural value" was imposed by the United States.

Let me remind you that Japan is a democracy!


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

my views set your ass hair on fire

1) Last time I checked, I didn't have any ass hair (although it was only a superficial check)

2) errr, that's it


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

What hasn't been mentioned is that Japan's participation in Iraq is as much about North Korea as it is Iraq.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

I lost all respect for the Japanese when they endorsed the war, and for the fact that they're loosing their cultural values to capitalist greed, they're going to be in deep shit by sending their troops, another wannabe/me too nation along with Qatar, Spain and Poland all Johnny come lately's.

What does Japanese endorsement of the Iraqi war have to do with capitalist greed? Anyway, capitalism has turned Japan into the world's 2nd richest nation.....perhaps Pakistan (given that it remains mired in abject poverty) could learn a thing or two from Japan.

Japan should be commended for providing troops to a troubled unstable region.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Japan should be commended for providing troops to a troubled unstable region.

Yes, it's about time someone else sent soldiers over to get killed other than American GI's. It'll make a nice change in the news for once.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Yes, it's about time someone else sent soldiers over to get killed other than American GI's. It'll make a nice change in the news for once.

Not sure if you're serious or tongue-in-cheek Alpha, but since Japan relies on mideast oil far more than any other Western power, they damn well should be there in force, and in quantity.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Not sure if you're serious or tongue-in-cheek Alpha, but since Japan relies on mideast oil far more than any other Western power, they damn well should be there in force, and in quantity.

So, you admit it was about oil, then? Else why should we damn well have had our forces there, Yyz717?

And I was seriously tongue-in-cheek, for your information.


25 Yyz717 : So, you admit it was about oil, then? No. The US does not rely heavily on Mideast (let alone Iraqi) oil, hence how could it be about oil? It was about
26 Alpha 1 : No. The US does not rely heavily on Mideast (let alone Iraqi) oil, hence how could it be about oil? I've always maintained it was not SOLELY about oil
27 Yyz717 : you can't say oil played no roll in this. It did, there's no doubt about it. The US does not need Mideast oil. Hence, how could the war be about oil?
28 Post contains images Alpha 1 : The US does not need Mideast oil. Hence, how could the war be about oil? If we don't need it, THEN WHY THE HELL DO WE BUY IT AT ALL? Git a little grip
29 Yyz717 : If we don't need it, THEN WHY THE HELL DO WE BUY IT AT ALL? Git a little grip on reality! We buy oil from the region, in case you didn't notice. Shees
30 Alpha 1 : It's not stuck, Yyz. But maybe someone can wake you up from this Bush-induced trance you seem to be in. You're making up more stuff to justify the war
31 Yyz717 : Good, I see you've dropped the dead-end oil angle. It couldn't be supported anyway.
32 Johnboy : Just a thought, but it seems to me that control of oil is far more valuable than oil itself.
33 LoneStarMike : No. The US does not rely heavily on Mideast (let alone Iraqi) oil, hence how could it be about oil?I think it was about regime change and being able t
34 Alpha 1 : Free to have American troops shooting children for throwing rocks? You go a bit far there, LSM. I haven't seen any reports of that,although I did hear
35 Post contains links LoneStarMike : This was the story I was referring to.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2951789.stmLoneStarMike
36 Alpha 1 : And the article says this: Brigadier-General Vince Brooks said US marines and special forces soldiers fired at demonstrators on Tuesday after they cam
37 Boeing4ever : Are they? Are you sure they aren't simply sending troops to favour the US, so some day, they can get something back? Politics is dirty, and indeed the
38 Post contains links and images Bobrayner : I believe somone posted a BBC article on it. This? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3043330.stm
39 Post contains images Boeing4ever : What hasn't been mentioned is that Japan's participation in Iraq is as much about North Korea as it is Iraq. And unfortunately still overlooked I see.
40 Alpha 1 : At least in THIS mess, Dubya has clammed up. How? Wasn't it about 2 weeks ago he was quoted, in reference to forces still fighting U.S. troops to "bri
41 Post contains images Boeing4ever : This? yeah, that was it! I sort of chuckled at all the protestors accusing Dubya of wanting oil when another Coalition member so blatently went for it
42 Post contains images Boeing4ever : How? Wasn't it about 2 weeks ago he was quoted, in reference to forces still fighting U.S. troops to "bring them on"? Everytime he opens his mouth, it
43 QatarAirways : Yyz717, "Good, I see you've dropped the dead-end oil angle. It couldn't be supported anyway." I agree with Alpha 1 when he said "I've always maintaine
44 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I agree in between Alpha1/QatarAirways and yyz717. You can't deny oil will have something to do with it. After all, it's there. And the world does nee
45 Post contains links Schoenorama : Boeing4ever: " Politics is dirty, and indeed the world is painted in shades of grey...but they are doing something to help." What they are doing is ir
46 Airmale : It will be sad to see the fist Japanese casulty, I hope it never happens, because its going to create unnecessary hatred form iraq and its people in t
47 Post contains images Boeing4ever : What they are doing is irrelevant. What is relevant is why they are doing it. Remember this whole war started not because of the 'poor oppressed Iraqi
48 Donder10 : It wasn't totally about oil but it played a large factor when Saddam was perceived to possess own weapons that could have given him a strangehold over
49 Post contains links Schoenorama : Boeing4ever: "It's post war..." As long as soldiers are dying in Iraq, I believe it is very premature to say it is post-war. "Regardless of how to war
50 Donder10 : claim of Iraq hiding WMD's: not found yet But to be fair even France thought Iraq had WMD!
51 Post contains images Boeing4ever : As long as soldiers are dying in Iraq, I believe it is very premature to say it is post-war. There is a difference between a large scale war and the q
52 Go Canada! : airmale, japan was one of the largest contributers to the first gulf war in terms on money, whilst money sint everything i dont feel you can say it is
53 Airmale : Financial aid is something else, but sending troops is not a good idea, and I would like to see more Japanese Aid agencies and NGO's, I just hope the
54 Go Canada! : "things aren't changing as was thought." funny, how comes iraqis are beginning to govern themsleves, how comes the schools and hospitals work? things
55 Post contains links Schoenorama : Boeing4ever: " There is a difference between a large scale war and the quagmire going on now. Of course if one wants to be REALLY accurate...you could
56 Airmale : The US wont leave them, they've got oil that all the others didnt, and what I meant to say was that the Iraqi's still want the US out and are still ki
57 Go Canada! : "only a daft person could have believed " am i daft then? exzcuse me but there is a big warning on airline asking you to agrue in a civilised manner.
58 Airmale : You really do believe all that? and you really do care about the opressed Iraqis? what about the oppressed Palestinians and Kashmiri's??? and who's go
59 Post contains images Bobrayner : and you really do care about the opressed Iraqis? Many of us do care; and we don't let our anti-american sentiments get in the way of it.
60 Post contains links Schoenorama : Go Canada!: "iraqs oil is for the iraqi people, its up to them to decide what to do with it, the us has not claim rights over iraqi oil nor will it."
61 Airmale : Go Canada Considering you're a very vocal pro-Israel Jewish member who dosent gives two hoots about the plight of the Palestinians many of whom are Ch
62 Post contains links Boeing4ever : In any case, we'd be talking about the braking of the cease-fire declared after the First Gulf War... We're not discussing HOW this war started...Fran
63 Yyz717 : You really do believe all that? and you really do care about the opressed Iraqis? what about the oppressed Palestinians and Kashmiri's??? Well, at lea
64 MD-11 forever : Guys, I thought this thread is about Japan's role in Iraq!? I agree with the few posts here that connect this move with the Japanese expection to have
65 Post contains links Schoenorama : Boeing4ever: " We're not discussing HOW this war started...Frankly there are so many "nooks and crannies" a discussion would take days and hundreds of
66 Airmale : We are very happy with the dictator and his Military rule by the way, hes one of the best we've ever had, and are really grateful to be rid of Sharif
67 N79969 : Md-11Forever, Cheap shot. Japan made its own choice and the US is grateful. As the second largest economy of the planet, it has been woefully inactive
68 Galaxy5 : We are very happy with the dictator and his Military rule by the way, hes one of the best we've ever had, and are really grateful to be rid of Sharif
69 Airmale : No I'm not, I mean I dont think he's perfect but its better than having false greedy corrupt civilians as leaders.
70 Yyz717 : its better than having false greedy corrupt civilians as leaders. Why? False greedy corrupt civilians can be voted out of power. Dictators cannot be.
71 Boeing4ever : I do believe how this war started is extremely important. It is exactly for this reason the US hasn't 'officially' declared victory in Iraq, as doing
72 Airmale : Myers is in Pakistan these days begging for troops, he was all praise for te Pakistan Army in an interview on a local cable news channel 'GEO'.
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