DodgeCharger From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1423 times:
So Barry Bonds comes out and makes all these comments about Babe Ruth and how he should become more of a household name with baseball than Babe Ruth is just because he will probably break his home run record.
Personally I think the reason Bonds has so many home runs is all the new hitter friendly ball parks. Pac Bell park is San Fran is only 307ft to the right field wall. Minute Maid park in Houston is only 315ft in left field and 326ft in right. He is an incredible power hitter though, but I think the number of short outfields in today's game skews the numbers a bit. Babe Ruth hit home runs in parks where the outfields were endless, not to mention hit pitches from pitchers that were closer than today. In the 1920s 25 homeruns was comparable to hitting 50 today. So when Babe hit 60 in 1927 is was an unbeleivable feat. Some credit him for being the first big power hitter.
BigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1409 times:
If Babe Ruth had creatine and all the nutritional crap these guys take, not to mention overall improved health in these times and the technology of basic things liek the way that bats are built these days, I think Babe might have done a lot better these days, and I think Bonds would be nothing back then.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1404 times:
Babe wasn't playing in the dead ball era. Ty Cobb played in the dead ball era. Sure early on in Ruths batting career he was htting more HR's than most teams, but it wasn't like when a guy lead the league with 7 home runs.
Also, look at the lifestyle. Ruth sucked on cigars and cancer sticks, ate red meat at every meal, drank himself into oblivion on a daily basis and banged more chicks in one night than most of us will ever bang in our lifetime. Bonds is playing in an era of weaker pitching, smaller ballparks, maybe a juiced ball, and the bats they use (well Bonds and many others, I forget the type of wood) are actually much more solid than the bats of yester year. Not to mention that Bonds probably has Juiced himself as well. Bonds is a good player, but he isn't better than the Babe. Like I said, the Babe won like 96 games as a pitcher before he started hitting bombs. Bonds couldn't even throw out Sid "A turtle runs faster than me" Bream at home plate in the 1991 NLCS.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1390 times:
Now for a Denis Leary quote on Babe Ruth:
Babe Ruth, greatest baseball player to ever play the game. He had a voice box. He was the first American to have a voice box. Yeah! "[VB] This is Babe Ruth, the Sultan of Swat, the Bambino, I smoke twenty-five God damn cuban cigars a day. I had meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I f***ed eighteen prostitutes a night! 'course, I'm dead now. I'm up here in heaven. Lou Gehrig is up here with me. God love Lou Gehrig. Jesus Christ, poor Lou Gehrig. Died of Lou Gehrig's disease. How the hell did he not see that coming? You know. We used to tell him, Lou, there's a disease with your name all over it, pal! There ain't no Babe Ruth disease, I'll tell you that much right now. Have a hot dog and a Hummer. Go ahead, it's on me."
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
Oh, and let's add in the Carbon-fiber gauntlet that Bonds wears on his outside arm, allowing him to own the plate with no fear of injury. Factor in the way the umpires warn and eject the pitchers when throwing at the hitters. Try that in Ruth's day and you'd have to pick your teeth out of the backstop.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
anyone watch the game tonight with it's deep fly balls that yielded zero home runs? Anyone been there? Anyone seen the height of the wall in right? Anyone know where the wind usually comes from? Anyone been in the cove?
I now feel compelled to dig up the stastics that show PacBell being one of the harder parks to homer in.
Bonds hitting a ball into the water is awe inspiring, but it sure ain't easy.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1339 times:
I have been there. And hitting a home run over a high wall 307 feet away from home plate still isn't exactly a huge feat. Oh, and Bonds doesn't have to hit the ball into the Cove to get a home run. He has to hit it 308 feet down the line to put one on the board.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
Let's see Barry Bonds be a Hall-of-Fame type PITCHER like Ruth was. Remember, before he became the Sultan of Swat, he was probably headed to the Hall as a hurler. Does that make Ruth greater than Bonds? No necessarily, but the modern pundits who automatically give him the title of best ever should remember that.
But for those who poo-poo Barry's accomplishments, that's pretty lame, too. He's approaching 700 home runs. Only two men have done that. I don't care if he hits in a banjo park now. That feat makes him one of the top 5 players all time no matter how you slice it.
....although Jim Rome will NEVER let him live down his "twelve-bounce" throw in the '92 playoffs against the Braves, that allowed that speedster Sid Bream to score the NLCS game-winning run.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3093 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1310 times:
In addition to that "throw" that Sid "Ooooo my knees!" Bream beat out, the pain of which I still feel this day, Barry was also nowhere to be found at the plate in his playoff appearances with the Pirates. Those 2 facts will be with him forever.
However, it does say alot for his talent and accomplishments that he can carry that burden, along with his piss-poor attitude, and still be acknowledged by many, myself (grudgingly) included, as the best in our lifetimes. Gotta show the man some respect.