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Bonds Vs. Ruth  
User currently offlineDodgeCharger From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

So Barry Bonds comes out and makes all these comments about Babe Ruth and how he should become more of a household name with baseball than Babe Ruth is just because he will probably break his home run record.

Personally I think the reason Bonds has so many home runs is all the new hitter friendly ball parks. Pac Bell park is San Fran is only 307ft to the right field wall. Minute Maid park in Houston is only 315ft in left field and 326ft in right. He is an incredible power hitter though, but I think the number of short outfields in today's game skews the numbers a bit. Babe Ruth hit home runs in parks where the outfields were endless, not to mention hit pitches from pitchers that were closer than today. In the 1920s 25 homeruns was comparable to hitting 50 today. So when Babe hit 60 in 1927 is was an unbeleivable feat. Some credit him for being the first big power hitter.

So what do some yall think?

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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Right field in Yankee Stadium isn't exactly a long shot either. Thing is, when Bary can win 94 or 96 games on top of his batting stats, then he can talk.

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Ruth also played in the dead ball era, whereas Bonds has enjoyed a juiced baseball. For that matter, Bonds has also enjoyed "juiced" muscles.

Ruth hit more home runs than most teams of the time did. I'll agree that Bonds is one of the greats, but he's no Babe.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

I think if Bonds and Ruth went at it in a HR Derby contest, Bonds would win hands down. But people say you can't compare the two. 2 different era's.

Like Tyson in his heyday versus Ali in his heyday.



Go big or go home
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

If Babe Ruth had creatine and all the nutritional crap these guys take, not to mention overall improved health in these times and the technology of basic things liek the way that bats are built these days, I think Babe might have done a lot better these days, and I think Bonds would be nothing back then.

To disrespect a legend like that is horrible.

Regards

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Babe wasn't playing in the dead ball era. Ty Cobb played in the dead ball era. Sure early on in Ruths batting career he was htting more HR's than most teams, but it wasn't like when a guy lead the league with 7 home runs.

Also, look at the lifestyle. Ruth sucked on cigars and cancer sticks, ate red meat at every meal, drank himself into oblivion on a daily basis and banged more chicks in one night than most of us will ever bang in our lifetime. Bonds is playing in an era of weaker pitching, smaller ballparks, maybe a juiced ball, and the bats they use (well Bonds and many others, I forget the type of wood) are actually much more solid than the bats of yester year. Not to mention that Bonds probably has Juiced himself as well. Bonds is a good player, but he isn't better than the Babe. Like I said, the Babe won like 96 games as a pitcher before he started hitting bombs. Bonds couldn't even throw out Sid "A turtle runs faster than me" Bream at home plate in the 1991 NLCS.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Now for a Denis Leary quote on Babe Ruth:

Babe Ruth, greatest baseball player to ever play the game. He had a voice box. He was the first American to have a voice box. Yeah! "[VB] This is Babe Ruth, the Sultan of Swat, the Bambino, I smoke twenty-five God damn cuban cigars a day. I had meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I f***ed eighteen prostitutes a night! 'course, I'm dead now. I'm up here in heaven. Lou Gehrig is up here with me. God love Lou Gehrig. Jesus Christ, poor Lou Gehrig. Died of Lou Gehrig's disease. How the hell did he not see that coming? You know. We used to tell him, Lou, there's a disease with your name all over it, pal! There ain't no Babe Ruth disease, I'll tell you that much right now. Have a hot dog and a Hummer. Go ahead, it's on me."


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Oh, and let's add in the Carbon-fiber gauntlet that Bonds wears on his outside arm, allowing him to own the plate with no fear of injury. Factor in the way the umpires warn and eject the pitchers when throwing at the hitters. Try that in Ruth's day and you'd have to pick your teeth out of the backstop.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

I forgot about the pads. Dude looks like a goalie when he steps to the plate. If only Bob Gibson could dot Barry a few times and let him see how baseball should be played.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

PacBell Park is hardly a hitter friendly field.

While Bonds power is to right, and the field is short there, power fields are found in Houston, Colorado, etc.........

Barry isn't Ruth, but he is the best player of the modern era.

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineDodgeCharger From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Pac Bell may not be hitter friendly, but with only 307ft to the right field wall, there are gonna be a lot of homeruns in right field.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

I agree with DodgeCharger. PacBell might not be the band box that say Minute Maid Field is, but a 307 right field porch isn't exactly a long shot.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

*sigh*

anyone watch the game tonight with it's deep fly balls that yielded zero home runs? Anyone been there? Anyone seen the height of the wall in right? Anyone know where the wind usually comes from? Anyone been in the cove?

I now feel compelled to dig up the stastics that show PacBell being one of the harder parks to homer in.

Bonds hitting a ball into the water is awe inspiring, but it sure ain't easy.

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

I have been there. And hitting a home run over a high wall 307 feet away from home plate still isn't exactly a huge feat. Oh, and Bonds doesn't have to hit the ball into the Cove to get a home run. He has to hit it 308 feet down the line to put one on the board.

*sigh*


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1158 times:

Let's see Barry Bonds be a Hall-of-Fame type PITCHER like Ruth was. Remember, before he became the Sultan of Swat, he was probably headed to the Hall as a hurler. Does that make Ruth greater than Bonds? No necessarily, but the modern pundits who automatically give him the title of best ever should remember that.

But for those who poo-poo Barry's accomplishments, that's pretty lame, too. He's approaching 700 home runs. Only two men have done that. I don't care if he hits in a banjo park now. That feat makes him one of the top 5 players all time no matter how you slice it.

....although Jim Rome will NEVER let him live down his "twelve-bounce" throw in the '92 playoffs against the Braves, that allowed that speedster Sid Bream to score the NLCS game-winning run.  Big grin


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

In addition to that "throw" that Sid "Ooooo my knees!" Bream beat out, the pain of which I still feel this day, Barry was also nowhere to be found at the plate in his playoff appearances with the Pirates. Those 2 facts will be with him forever.
However, it does say alot for his talent and accomplishments that he can carry that burden, along with his piss-poor attitude, and still be acknowledged by many, myself (grudgingly) included, as the best in our lifetimes. Gotta show the man some respect.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Anyone remember Bonds vs. the Angels...He stayed strong, unlike the rest of the team..

I think it was Tim Salmon that said this "that was the farthest ball I have ever seen hit."



Go big or go home
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

And that moster home run got Barry what? Second place? Next.

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