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Bali Bomber Sentenced To Death  
User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Just seen the live pictures on BBC News 24.. he was smiling and seemed very happy.. sick man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3130929.stm

He deserves everything he gets. They said on BBC News 24 that it will be execution by firing squad.

Josh

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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

As much as I'm against the death penalty, I'm finding it hard to feel compassion for this man.

There are some people in this world who shun the gift of life - he's had a fair trial and justice has been done. It's been proved beyond all doubt he did what he did.

I must commend the Indonesian courts for such a coherant, fair, and professional court case. I must say - the Indonesian government is pushing all the right buttons in this war on terror.

Aside from that. Let's all stop thinking about Amrozi, and remember the more than two hundred people who died on October 12.

Q4E


User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

The trouble with these religious fanatics is that they believe that after death they are going to a better place so to die is no big deal for them.

What would be a better punishment is for one of their clerics to damn them and let them know that they will not be going to paradise after they are executed. No smiley faces then.


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

It's good to see justice being done. I have no compassion for people like this, especially after the way they behaved in court.




Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

"I'll be happy to die a martyr ... After me there will be a million more Amrozis."

Disgusting.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

"Amrozi was sorry for the deaths of those people who were not targets."

Gee, well what nice guy. Maybe we should let him go.

Nah, skim him and set him on fire instead.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:

Good riddance. The world becomes a better place every time one of these sub humans are eliminated from the face of the earth. Whether he himself likes it or not. (And i can assure you that he is NOT coming to his damned paradise. He will be dead as can be, enjoying the soil and maggots around his rotting f*cking corpse.) Pardon my harsch language but i would piss on his grave if i could. People like these have NO value to me REGARDLESS what community they were raised in, what abusive parents they had or whatever. There's no damn excuse for killing 200 innocent people. PERIOD. (Get that. No but's or if's. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!)


For accasions like these torture should be allowed. Given the fact that these idiots really believe that the will have a good time after they die. Show them that they are alive.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1861 times:

Saintsman, they can believe that, but isn't the ultimate "justice", if you will, when they do die, and realize they are not in a paradise, perhaps, but in an eternal agony? That, to me, is the ultimate guilty sentence for scum like this.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1843 times:

This is hardly case for torture for crying out loud. While I'm against the death penalty, it's pretty hard to feel any sort of compassion for this man. Nevertheless TORTURE is simply out of the question. It would make us just as evil as he is.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Let him die like those he killed. From slowly bleeding to death while suffering from 3rd degree burns and smoke poisoning.

Don't those fanatics believe in "an eye for an eye", would be fitting...



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

And if you stick to "an eye for an eye" eventually the whole world will be blind.  Big grin



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

The whole martyr thing is fine for him right now, but I am sure when it all sinks in, and/or he is standing at the receiving end of a firing squad, he will quickly change his tune...all cowards do. The reaction of his younger brother, also involved, breaking down and admitting guilt in court, is an illustration of this. But, he is right, Allah does have plans for him after he leaves this earth, just not quite what he expected. All we can hope for is that an Indonesian soldier or policeman in the firing squad "accidentally" aims low.

I think of all those who dies on Oct. 12, and then see this scumbag's grinning face, and it makes me ill.





Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Not torture, but I do feel that perhaps his last meals should be made of exclusively one dietary item....

Pork.....The other white meat.


Maybe constantly play episodes of Benny Hinns show over and over again for the next couple of month, 24/7



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

It would make us just as evil as he is.


No. We did not kill 200 innocent wifes, husbands, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and friends of someone. I do not believe how anyone can have any remorse whatsoever for a man like this. How would you feel if a loved one of yours is dead and non exsistent because of this asshole's actions? Would you be as remorsefull?


I for one can say that i would not. Leave me alone with this guy and he is dead. And i can say that without being ashamed of myself. I'm not a murderer. I would never dream of hurting anyone, let alone 200 innocent people. But i would tear this shithole's heart out and serve it on a silver platter for the victims of his actions. Now does that make me an evil man? As evil as he?


Every single one of you who in any way try to defend this guys right to anything at all ask yourself this: How would you feel if your wife, girlfriend or best friend no longer exsisted because of this guy? Unless you're religious you would never meet them again. Never talk to them again, never hear their voice again. That's it. Coinsidence or maybe faith decided that you met. But this guy decided that you part. This one man ended everything and turned the world you know completely upside down. Because of this one man you stand in the dark with possibly nothing more than your own painfull thoughts. How anyone can accept this man rights to anything at all i truly do not understand. May he rot in hell.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

No. We did not kill 200 innocent wifes, husbands, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and friends of someone. I do not believe how anyone can have any remorse whatsoever for a man like this. How would you feel if a loved one of yours is dead and non exsistent because of this asshole's actions? Would you be as remorsefull?

No, but that doesn't give you right to torture him. There are standards of human rights. If you torture him you becomes just like him. He killed 200 innocent wives, but you tortured someone -- which I think morally is wrong. You obviously don't.

But i would tear this shithole's heart out and serve it on a silver platter for the victims of his actions. Now does that make me an evil man? As evil as he?

No, it makes you emotional. Do you think emotional people should be allowed to decide punishments?

Every single one of you who in any way try to defend this guys right to anything at all ask yourself this: How would you feel if your wife, girlfriend or best friend no longer exsisted because of this guy?

I'd feel terrible, however I wouldn't think the guy deserved to be tortured for what he got. Capital punishment? Well, I'm usually against it but as I've never had my family murdered by someone I'm not going to comment. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to torture him.

Unless you're religious you would never meet them again. Never talk to them again, never hear their voice again. That's it. Coinsidence or maybe faith decided that you met. But this guy decided that you part. This one man ended everything and turned the world you know completely upside down. Because of this one man you stand in the dark with possibly nothing more than your own painfull thoughts. How anyone can accept this man rights to anything at all i truly do not understand. May he rot in hell.

Emotive nonsense. You don't even make sense here. You seem blinded by anger (which I think you'd be the first to admit). Every human has rights. They may kill someone else, but they still have fundamental rights. They have rights to legal representation, to a fair trial and a right NOT to be tortured. Being angry doesn't give you a right to torture someone.


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Maybe he should get the electric chair instead of the lethal injection. It'll still kill him, but at least he'll feel some pain.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

He's getting a firing squad...

User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

First off. Yes, i am biased by anger in my above posts. The comments about torture is not necessarilly something i would like to be enforced by the legal system but however it's what i feel that i wanna do to this prick.


If you torture him you becomes just like him.


So you equal killing 200 innocent people with torturing 1 slime ball who has commited the most hideous crime there is?


Every human has rights. They may kill someone else, but they still have fundamental rights.


Why? A fair trial yes. But after that, enough with the silk gloves already. Execute him. Did the 200 people who died have any right to choose whether to die or not? No they didn't. This guy chose for them. As shall someone choose for him.


I have another question. What exactly is the diffence between putting him in jail his whole life to suffer (This is what most people wan't) and giving him a traditional torture? Why is spending your whole life in a cell with your thoughts more humane than having salt poured in open wounds?




And to clarify my standpoint: As a believer of a afterlife i believe that the sentence was right. In the most cost effective way (No tax $$ paying for his sorry ass in jail for years to come) he will be killed and he will meet his creator who will judge him ultimately. May he not have any mercy on his soul.








User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

So you equal killing 200 innocent people with torturing 1 slime ball who has commited the most hideous crime there is?

Yes, pretty much. They're both awful things. If you want to go by scale, how much of a slime ball were the planners behind september 11th? What about this: are the pharmacutical firms slimeballs? Their high prices limit HIV treatment in the devloping world, killing thousand. Execute them?

A fair trial yes. But after that, enough with the silk gloves already. Execute him. Did the 200 people who died have any right to choose whether to die or not? No they didn't. This guy chose for them. As shall someone choose for him.

So not torture, only execution?

What exactly is the diffence between putting him in jail his whole life to suffer (This is what most people wan't) and giving him a traditional torture?

Because in jail he's essentially human. He can think and act like a human. Society is protected from him though. Torture is simply for vengence. If everyone applied "an eye for an eye" we'd be all blind pretty quickly.

Let me answer you this. He didn't just randomly bomb somewhere. He bombed somewhere because he felt that he had a cause. Torturing him just makes the government seem more evil and cause more people to attack it.


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

He's getting a firing squad...

Oh, thanks for telling me.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Two things shock me..

1) The bloodthirsty herd mentality displayed by some members on this thread.

2) The behaviour of the Australians present at Amrozis trial, who cheered, stamped, and applauded when he was sentenced to be killed.


Before you ask, I lost a cousin in this act of terrorism. Taking the life of the man who killed these people lowers us to Amrozi's level.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

TG992: Amen to all you've said!!!


I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

TG992,

I agree with your thoughts. Although I guess I can understand some of the *bloodthirsty* thoughts of some people. But in a way it's good closure for many people who lost loved ones.

As for the sentence, I will never agree with such a barbaric penality imposed on anyone. Regardless of what attrocity this man has commited we must always act in a humane manner.

Being incarcerated for the rest of his natural life in an Indonesian prison would be penalty enough.

I find it strange that Australian authorities, including the Prime Minister have applauded the Indonesian authorities with their verdict and the way they have handled the whole trial.

Considering that if the attrocity had happened on our own soil there would be no death penalty.

mb


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Yes, pretty much. They're both awful things.



I can not believe what you're saying here.



If you want to go by scale, how much of a slime ball were the planners behind september 11th? What about this: are the pharmacutical firms slimeballs? Their high prices limit HIV treatment in the devloping world, killing thousand. Execute them?


As far is i am concerned OBL is a slime ball. The pharmaceutical companies not providing HIV treatment for free are slime balls. The ones ultimately responsible for sept 11th are the ones who flew the planes. OBL did not fly the planes into the WTC. The shit heads who did it choose to do so themselves. They're entirely responsible for their own actions. Hence they should be killed (they are already dead though thank god). And the pharmaceutical companies are not actively killing anyone hence they should not be executed. HIV is killing them not the companies. The companies are acting completely out of moral and are inhumane yes but that's something else.


So not torture, only execution?

Yes execution.


Torture is simply for vengence.

Then what is jail? It is NOT simply for protecting the fellon from the public i'll tell you that.


He bombed somewhere because he felt that he had a cause. Torturing him just makes the government seem more evil and cause more people to attack it.


Provided that there are people who symphatize with his cause i agree with you. As i said, i would personally like to make this shit feel that he's alive but it is not something that i would wan't to be used by the legal system.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1677 times:

I can not believe what you're saying here.

Really? Uh...why?

As far is i am concerned OBL is a slime ball. The pharmaceutical companies not providing HIV treatment for free are slime balls. The ones ultimately responsible for sept 11th are the ones who flew the planes. OBL did not fly the planes into the WTC. The shit heads who did it choose to do so themselves. They're entirely responsible for their own actions. Hence they should be killed (they are already dead though thank god). And the pharmaceutical companies are not actively killing anyone hence they should not be executed. HIV is killing them not the companies.

In which case OBL shouldn't be killed, he didn't kill anyone directly. See, here's the problem when you're talking about justice, vengence, revenge etc. There's a very very thin line that no one can define. Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building.

Then what is jail? It is NOT simply for protecting the fellon from the public i'll tell you that.

Yeah, that's true enough. Jail is punishment, but at least it serves some other use than simple punishment. There is a very big gap between imprisoning someone and torturing them.

Provided that there are people who symphatize with his cause i agree with you. As i said, i would personally like to make this shit feel that he's alive but it is not something that i would wan't to be used by the legal system.

Petty vengence can't realy override the larger picture. More lives will be saved if there are less religious fanatics.


25 N79969 : ". Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building." This may take the cake for the most implausible,
26 777236ER : ". Charging high prices for HIV drugs is ultimatly just as deadly as flying a plane into a building." This may take the cake for the most implausible,
27 Mika : Really? Uh...why? Because you seem to equal 200 independent lives with the 1 life of a criminal guilty of the worst crime there is. I'm absolutely app
28 777236ER : Because you seem to equal 200 independent lives with the 1 life of a criminal guilty of the worst crime there is. I'm absolutely appaled by your view
29 Post contains links Jaspike : And now he's appealing... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3134235.stm Josh
30 N79969 : 777236ER: "Pricing most African people out of HIV drugs kills lots of people. Infact it's probably more deadly than the September 11th attacks. Unless
31 Mika : They're all still human lives. So you see no difference in 1 and 200? If you could take away one life to save 200 would you not do it? (Obviously kill
32 Mx5_boy : The side issue of HIV drugs is like this: We in the western world should be ABSOLUTELY ashamed of ourselves for not providing enough R&D dollars to Ca
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