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What Changes Would You Like To See In US/state Gov  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Now that Matt D has outlined his platform for his run at governor of California. I think I will ask the question, what changes would you like to see in American laws and policy, either state or national?

Foreign Policy:
-Make sure that the Chinese understand that an attack on Taiwan is an attack on America and will not be tolerated. Reiterate to them that although we dont want war, our government will ensure that following an attack against Taiwan will signal the end of Communism in China.

-End US aid to nations that clearly have not used American taxpayer money for the good of their people. This also means ending aid to nations that harbor terrorists, and foster strong anti-American/Western movements.

-Demand a reorganization of the UN. It has turned into an Anti-American/anti-British/anti-Semetic/pro-despot love fest. This means, no more allowing countries like Iran to be head of human rights committees, and ensuring that the UN does not become a platform for political debate, but instead is used for what it was intended to be used for...a platform for worldwide development and human rights committments. If they dont want to reorganize...pull out. If the UN spent half the time on countries like Zimbabwe like they do bashing Israel, the world would be a much better place.

-Pull American bases from Germany. Relocate them to countries like Poland or the Czech Rep. A nation that decides not to stand united with us, should not be receiving American money or American defense.

-Cut military spending for French, Belgian, and German products. A nation that refuses to stand with us should not be recieving American dollars.

-Make North Korea understand that the day they decide to launch missles at Seoul or Tokyo will be the day that Pyongyang is obliterated.

-Demand that Vincente Fox reform Mexico and that America is not the place to dump "his problems."

-Provide more assistance to nations like Colombia and Venezuela for their problems with anti-government rebels.

National:
-Income tax should be flat, and no more than 10-15%.

-Social security should be an optional benefit. At age 21, give people the right to turn down social security benefits for a substancial decrease in the amount of Social Security tax they pay.

-Welfare should be on a 3 month term...with no renewals availible.

-Repeal all marijuana laws.

-One or two strikes and youre out: Legal immigrants who commit two misdemeanors will be forced to make restitution, deported, and not jailed. Legal immigrants who commit a felony will be jailed, forced to make restitution through labor, then deported. Illegal immigrants, under all crimes, will be deported--including traffic violations.

-Make English the national language. No official document will be availible in any other language

-Follow strict immigration quotas; we will allow a larger number of people from first-world countries, but only allow a small number of third world countries, and allow the economy to dictate these quotas.

-Militarize the borders of Mexico AND Canada. This is not only a good way to promote national security, but also an excellent training tool for our troops. During projects where troops were placed on the Mexican border over the past couple of years--the troops learned a lot and enjoyed it. Dont worry, they wont be shooting people, but they will be returning people.

-Repeal the "Brady Bill."

-Repeal the ADA with a few exceptions.

-Eliminate hate-crime laws....they are discriminatory.

-Eliminate affirmative action...it too is discriminatory.

-All American boys (and possibly females...see next point) after graduating high-school must spend 3 months in military service.

-Females will be able to be drafted, if they do not wish to be drafted, then they should not have females in the service.

-The homeless will be given psychological analysis. If theyre not found to be of sound mind, then they will be placed in a government run hospital. If they are thought to be mentally stable, they will have 6 months to get off the street and get a job and dwelling before an arrest warrant is issued.

State/Local:

-Drinking age will be lowered to 18.

-Require special permits for the operation of an SUV. I dont care if you buy an SUV, but you have to learn to drive it properly.

-Every time a tobacco product is purchased, have the person enter a social security number into a keypad. This will affirm that the person has knowledge of the government-researched health risks associated with tobacco use, and has waived the right to sue.

-Allow concealed weapons.

-If a public school district is not up to demanding standards, shut them down and reimburse the families with money for charter and private schools.

-Prison should not be reformatory. It should be punishment. No TV, no sports, no weightlifting, no friendly visits by the psychologists.

[Edited 2003-08-09 06:46:49]

[Edited 2003-08-09 06:49:58]


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

1. Get rid of California. Nothing but a freakshow, and a BAD representation of the US.

2. Get rid of Demolition Dick from Chicago and rebuild Meigs.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

OH GOD! This thread has trouble written all over it.

I'd like to see a new president in office really soon.

UAL747


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

-Pull American bases from Germany. Relocate them to countries like Poland or the Czech Rep. A nation that decides not to stand united with us, should not be receiving American money or American defense.

-Cut military spending for French, Belgian, and German products. A nation that refuses to stand with us should not be recieving American dollars.


 Yeah sure  Insane

If you are not with us, you are against us. Typical bush logic. Hopefully, when people are grown up, they will start to realize what statements like the above mean in real life.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Actually I would move those bases back to the US.

And I would bring back at least two of the light divisions that where cut in the 1990's. So they can serve as a rapid deployment force.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Not that I disagree with your platform, but I find it interesting that nearly every aspect of foreign policy revolves around the military or the threat of military. If the US continues to project itself globally primarily on the basis of its military strength rather than on the basis of its ideological strength, it will simply encourage more violent response from those that oppose.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

If you are not with us, you are against us. Typical bush logic. Hopefully, when people are grown up, they will start to realize what statements like the above mean in real life.

Yeah: "typical bush logic", "when people are grown up", "they will start to realize"

Or in other words:

"I'm a 16 year old Belgian child who knows it all about the world, I'm right Bush and all his supporters are wrong".  Insane

I might also note that you mention "when people are grown up", don't be hypocritical Sabena, because you are far from grown up.

Two things you need to understand Sabena 690:

1. Not everybody agrees with you, so don't act like it.
2. You are not to judge Bush and 2/3 of the American people who support him as if you are simply right we are wrong. That may be your personal opinion, but don't act like it's reality.

Now I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion, but that's not what you did in your reply. Learn to express yourself correctly and speak with some respect, that will get you a lot further in life.



-NWA742

[Edited 2003-08-09 11:44:39]

[Edited 2003-08-09 11:45:49]

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

Let's challenge, NWA742 (btw, you are talking to a 19 year old Belgian adult).

Do you think that the 'if you are not with us you are against us' logic is positive for the foreign policy?

Let's give an example: France and Germany want a military intervention in country X. America is against the intervention, and refuses to participate. How would you act if Germany and France would say: 'You are either with us or against us, and since you do not participate, you are against us'. You would say: 'what an arrogance'. Well, this is exactly what is happening these days with the bush diplomacy and Europe.

You say: 'France, Germany and Belgium opposed to the war, so they are against us, so we remove our military base out of Germany etc etc etc'. Do you see the stupidity now?

Is it because we do not agree with bush his war in Iraq, that we are suddenly against the whole country?

This is of course popular propaganda, but reality????

Do you see my point now?


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

It can be helpful from time to time if you think in this way: 'if I would live in Europe, and bush would take this and this measure against me, how would I see this'.

If bush says: Belgium is against us, do you think that I, as a Belgian, will support this?

I can tell you that I still have to meet the first Belgian who supports the bush diplomacy (not that I believe polls but the polls say that more than 90% of the Belgians is against his foreign policy).

His measures are maybe cool for nationalistic patriots, but sometimes you have to realize that bush his decisions also have big influences on other countries, other countries the US will surely need one day in the future, like we need the US.

Instead of excluding countries etc, why not just live nice together? We are all still humans...


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5054 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

NWA742,

1. Not everybody agrees with you, so don't act like it.

Hey, tell that to Jcs17 and, well, you... You're the ones wishing to punish others for NOT agreeing with you.

Now I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion, but that's not what you did in your reply. Learn to express yourself correctly and speak with some respect, that will get you a lot further in life.

You mean much in this way?

I'm a 16 year old Belgian child who knows it all about the world, I'm right Bush and all his supporters are wrong".

I might also note that you mention "when people are grown up", don't be hypocritical Sabena, because you are far from grown up.


Practice what you preach, NWA 742.

As for the actual subject matter: it's a cliché, but it's true now more than ever. What would you rather have: a friend that tells you when it believes what you're planning to do is wrong, and tries to stop you from doing something stupid, or a 'friend' that just sucks up to you and says nothing, because they're afraid of what you might do to them? I know what I want...


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

So basically, the policies can be summed up to two things:

- piss of every one of your allies with a good dose of superiority complex
- solve every conflict worldwide with the threatening or the use of military force

Thankfully, professional state leaders and diplomats see the world a little bit more complex than that and not only in black or white.

But then, this is only a internet forum, so no reason for anyone to worry or get upset about someone's drastic/ differing opinions. I just find it interesting what some people come up with.  Smile



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

-Make sure that the Chinese understand that an attack on Taiwan is an attack on America and will not be tolerated.

Fine, you go defend Taiwain, Jcs. God, what a reactionary you are!

-End US aid to nations that clearly have not used American taxpayer money for the good of their people.

Does that mean we should not fund the Bush Administration then, Jcs? He sure as haell hasn't put our tax money to good use.

-Demand a reorganization of the UN. It has turned into an Anti-American/anti-British/anti-Semetic/pro-despot love fest.

You have the balls to "demand" anything of the UN, after the way Bush bulldozed it before Iraq? What are you smoking? Maybe if we paid our bills, like we should there, Jcs, we'd get a better shake, perhaps.

-Pull American bases from Germany. Relocate them to countries like Poland or the Czech Rep. A nation that decides not to stand united with us, should not be receiving American money or American defense.

Great move! Pull well-developed bases, from a long-standing ally, who, by the way, HAS stood by us for 50 years now, into nations that have only been allies for less than a decade. What a brilliant concept, Jcs! And all because Germany was against George Bush for going to war. Got any other petty ideas? Oh, let me read on, I'm sure I'll find them.

-Cut military spending for French, Belgian, and German products. A nation that refuses to stand with us should not be recieving American dollars.

They have stood with us, for 50 years, as faithful allies. Yet you, in your pettiness and meanness of spirit, simply because they opposed going to war, want to punish them forever. Do what you propose, then NO ONE in the world will ever trust the U.S. to be a faithful friend ever again.

-Make North Korea understand that the day they decide to launch missles at Seoul or Tokyo will be the day that Pyongyang is obliterated.

I think they know that, son.

- Demand that Vincente Fox reform Mexico and that America is not the place to dump "his problems.

Why do you dare to suppose American should "demand" so much from others? Who are we to dictate to Mexico. You really do want to alienate the U.S. from the whole world, don't you? You make it sound like the U.S. can just demand whatever of the world, and not do anything in return.

-Provide more assistance to nations like Colombia and Venezuela for their problems with anti-government rebels.

Talk about a waste of taxpayer money.

-Income tax should be flat, and no more than 10-15%.

Yes, let's make the rate that most of the rich can get around anyway, even less. Marvelous plan.

Social security should be an optional benefit. At age 21, give people the right to turn down social security benefits for a substancial decrease in the amount of Social Security tax they pay.

And nary a soul would do that. ROTFLMAO.

-Welfare should be on a 3 month term...with no renewals availible.

Yes, let's pour money into the corrupt governments of Columbia and Venezuela, but let's cut off at the balls anyone who is in dire need, simply because you don't like how they live. Let's let a mother of 3, who has lost a job, and let's say a husband, let her kids starve or turn to crime. What a wonderful, compassionate boy you are, Jcs.

-One or two strikes and you're out:

What, are the jails not full enough for you, son? Steal a bike, and you're in for life!!!

Legal immigrants who commit two misdemeanors will be forced to make restitution, deported, and not jailed.

ROTFLMAO. The police state, brought to you by Jcs!  Laugh out loud Welcome to Nazi America!

-Make English the national language. No official document will be availible in any other language

Yes, let's discriminate against the whole world. So, under your idiocy, someone who moves here, and doesn't yet know english, cannot get ANYTHING in his/ler language to get around? The sad thing is, you're serious.

-All American boys (and possibly females...see next point) after graduating high-school must spend 3 months in military service.

Jcs, then go sign up RIGHT NOW, as an example to all of them! Go do your time RIGHT NOW! If you don't, then you're a hypocrite. This is a prime example of militarism that is so damaging this nation. Not everyone can or should be in the military, and we shouldn't force people to serve. The military is a necessary evil, not some institution to be worshipped, as you want.

-Militarize the borders of Mexico AND Canada. This is not only a good way to promote national security, but also an excellent training tool for our troops.

I don't know wheter to laugh or throw up here, Jcs. Let's go make enemies of the two peoples that have been friends with us for ages. Let's make them enemies for life, simply so you can train your precious military, which, to you, is more important than the civilians of the United States. THE MILITARY DOES NOT RULE US, JCS, IT SERVES US. Stop acting like the opposite is true! Left to you, the military, in all it's lunacy, would run this country.

Repeal the "Brady Bill."

Yes, there's not enough firearms in this country. Not enough people are dying from them.

-Repeal the ADA with a few exceptions.

Yes, who cares if someone in a wheelchair doesn't have access. Too bad for them.

-Eliminate hate-crime laws....they are discriminatory.

Yes, while we're at it, let's legalize lynchings of blacks, gays, and anyone else that is "undesirable", who dares not believe in the Judeo-Christian way, or who doesn't conform to your strict interpretation of what an "American" is.

-The homeless will be given psychological analysis. If theyre not found to be of sound mind, then they will be placed in a government run hospital.

Never mind that many rich might be psycho's, let's lock up the poor, the unwanted, the undesirables, and we can do all kind of lovely experiments in hospitals. They're worthless scum, hardly human, anyway, so just sweep them up, and we'll be done with them.

-Every time a tobacco product is purchased, have the person enter a social security number into a keypad. This will affirm that the person has knowledge of the government-researched health risks associated with tobacco use, and has waived the right to sue.

Welcome to "1984".

-Allow concealed weapons.

Yes, let every nut with a grudge have a weapons. What a concept.

-If a public school district is not up to demanding standards, shut them down and reimburse the families with money for charter and private schools.

Yes, let's not WORK at improving the schools, let's just shut them down so we can indoctrinate everyone in religious education, even if that's not what they want. Let's not build better schools, hire better teachers, let's just give up, and give vouchers to everyone.

Folks, I hope you got a good education here. There speaks the voice of neo-conservatism. A belief and a political dogma that 1. Hates the rest of the world; 2. Thinks the military should run the country and should be worshipped, 3. That loathes its own citizens that may not be as productive as others; 4. That wants to make the rich richer, and to lock up the poorest; 5. That wants everone to get reiligious education, even if they don't want it.

This is a dangerous belief and philosophy, and is against everything a free society should stand for. It would make the world subserviant to the United States, or to face its wrath; it would make the civilian subserviant to the military; and would make the poorest and most destitute subserviant and at the mercy of a government that would crush it of all human spirit and meaning.

If you want this type of United States, then you want George W. Bush in office another 5 years. If you believe the United States can and should be a partner with the rest of the world, and should work with, not threaten the rest of the world; if you think the U.S. does have some responsibility to those who are less fortunate in this nation, then you should work to remove him from office. Becuase in a second term, the bullshit that Jcs laid out, much of it will be a reality under this administration.

I'm sure your parents are proud that you've become so bitter towards the world, and so hateful of some of your own fellow citizens in 20 years Jcs. Congratulations.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

I think JCS17 is going to give me nightmares now.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

I think JCS17 is going to give me nightmares now.

Jcs, with those kind of extemists views, IS a nightmare.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Well I guess I just better pay all my tickets, don't want to be deported now.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

I'm suprised that he didn't add this one.

"-Outlaw the Democratic Party, and have psychological tests for anyone who says they're a Democrat. If they fail the test, the should be held in a state-run institution so they can be properly educated."

That's not sarcasm. I'm truly surprised he didn't add that in there.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

I understand that the political spectrum is different in every country - something I have learned thanks to the internet - but somebody with such political views would be situated in the extreme far right corner in Germany.

Last itme we had a government with similar ideas was during 1933 - 45.

Quite ironically, that the American people thankfully liberated us and the world from the Nazi scourge back then. Quite disturbing that the very same ideas which so many of your countrymen and -women fought against decades ago now seem to be en vogue with a vocal minority (at least I hope it is not a mainstream ideal)in the "motherland of democracy".



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Boeing4ever

1. Get rid of California. Nothing but a freakshow, and a BAD representation of the US.


Not meaning to butt-into this conversation but you've just made tons of children (and 'Nippon' tourists) sad over this...especially over that cartoon mouse with the 2 big ears.  Smile

(gotAirbus?)

[Edited 2003-08-09 17:18:57]


(gotAIRBUS?) - (Got Commonality?) - (Have A Nice Flight!)
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Well since the topic is changes, I would like to see Jeb! Bush out of office and replaced with someone who can actually manage and improve state education rather than simply spend all of primary and secondary school teaching a test.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6637 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

All boys after high school shoulde enter 3 months of military service.

DOES THAT INCLUDE GAY ONES?



I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5319 times:

Alpha 1 - After your absolutely objective (sic) criticism of Jcs17's ideas, where are yours, which, from what you act like, will bring the USA back into favor with everyone in the entire world.

You have good ideas, I'm sure, but do you get off telling conservatives again and again that you think their ideas are bullshit?

The title of the forum is: "What Changes Would You Like To See In US/state Gov," not "What Changes Would You Like to See In US/state Gov as long as they conform to Alpha 1's wishes."

As I said, you don't agree with Jcs17, so put your answer (which clearly can better answer the question, somehow, sic) to the question up for criticism.

-Nick


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5321 times:

Oh well, I have a life so I dont have time to digest being called a "Nazi" 96 times. I might decide to respond later. I just want to say that people like Alpha1 are the reason why the airliners.net non-av board has fallen the way it has--completely reactionary, hateful, and unaccepting of any opinion unlike his.

I do find it confusing that Alpha1 decided to "teach me a lesson", but decided not to respond to the "Matt D for Governor" thread, which actually had many similar themes. Oh well.... I think someone is out for RR.

See you guys later!  Laugh out loud

By the way, do you notice what the title of thread is? I dont really care about your hatred of my views or what you think of them. I wanted to hear what you would do to change government.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5309 times:

Do you think that the 'if you are not with us you are against us' logic is positive for the foreign policy?

Let's give an example: France and Germany want a military intervention in country X. America is against the intervention, and refuses to participate. How would you act if Germany and France would say: 'You are either with us or against us, and since you do not participate, you are against us'. You would say: 'what an arrogance'. Well, this is exactly what is happening these days with the bush diplomacy and Europe.

You say: 'France, Germany and Belgium opposed to the war, so they are against us, so we remove our military base out of Germany etc etc etc'. Do you see the stupidity now?

Is it because we do not agree with bush his war in Iraq, that we are suddenly against the whole country?

This is of course popular propaganda, but reality????

Do you see my point now?


First thing Sebena, I can't see why you didn't even respond to my reply directed towards you, you just asked what my opinion is on the subject.  Insane

Anyways, for one thing, Bush is using "for us or against us" as mainly a foreign policy ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM. How many times have you heard him use that phrase towards foreign countries with the war in Iraq? That's right, none. That's not his foreign policy. That's why your whole situation with France and Germany using that policy doesn't even make sense, unless both countries were too arrogant to understand that Bush means that on terrorism.

Hey, tell that to Jcs17 and, well, you... You're the ones wishing to punish others for NOT agreeing with you.

JCS17 seems to be quite aware that not everyone agrees with him, and he doesn't talk like that either.

Also, we're more the ones who punish others for breaking international laws, and forming terrorist attacks on our country's citizens.

Practice what you preach, NWA 742.

Could you elaborate?




-NWA742


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5300 times:

This reply will be lost in the noise anyway, but what the heck...

1. Recognize the primacy of the states over the federal govenment. Stop using the federal taxing authority to isolate elected representatives from the consequences of their choices.

2. Immediate termination of Cuban embargo; ludicrously-failed policy, supported by both political parties because of fear of backlash by the suoth Florida Cuban expat community; take a stand, do what's right, fade the heat.

3. All employment laws imposed by congress, should apply equally to congress; incredibly enough, the U. S. Congress is typically exempted from complying with a substantial proportion of the laws which they impose upon us. Ask any small business owner about the minefield that is regulatiry compliance today.

4. Aggressively pursue an open borders policy with Canada and Mexico, economically and otherwise. Our futures are inextricably entwined, we can acknowledge that and work with it, or we can throw up the barbed wire and wonder about what might have been.

5. Nuke the gay whales for Jesus (just had to throw that one in for comic relief).

Chill out, everyone.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5300 times:

See something revolve around something other than money  Pissed

See the US treat itself in equivalent of other nations and not like it's the boss of everything.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
25 Scorpio : NWA742, Anyways, for one thing, Bush is using "for us or against us" as mainly a foreign policy ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM. How many times have you heard
26 NWA742 : Scorpio, And that makes it right somehow, does it? In my opinion, yes. He's basically saying: 'If you don't agree with the way WE want to fight terror
27 Scorpio : NWA742, No, he's saying that if you're not with us on the war on terrorism, then you're against us. I feel this is certainly a fair policy after 9/11.
28 Alpha 1 : Funny, you calling me "hateful", Jcs, after your Fascist Manifesto above, which tells the rest of the world to shove it, tells our neighbors to the no
29 Matt D : Geez Alpha1...I'm kind of bummed out. I was thinking for sure you'd have a field day with my post. Oh well...things don't always turn out as expected.
30 777236ER : Ah I love it when idiots come up with policies that they would use in government. Not that I'm saying Jcs17 is an idiot of course, I mean generally ob
31 Shamrock1heavy : Alpha 1 - Nothing but Respect for you! I was going to post something of almost exactly the same thing, until I read your posts. good job! Normally I w
32 SSTjumbo : I'm all for evicting Demolition Dick, a.k.a. Mayor Richard M. Daley to France, err... Freedance Signed Theodore, the evil conservative bear
33 Jcs17 : Not that I disagree with your platform, but I find it interesting that nearly every aspect of foreign policy revolves around the military or the threa
34 Post contains images OO-AOG : What an interesting post we have here.... Hey Jcs17, you might even be worst than Bush Jr., well done, it's not easy! I won't comment the foreign poli
35 Sabena 690 : There will always be people who hate America--for our success, our way of life, and the fact that we are the worlds only remaining superpower. We did
36 777236ER : 777236ER, your post is so childish and full of insults (actually, less than Alpha1's...surprisingly) so I'm not going to even respond. You'll respond
37 Schoenorama : Jcs17: "Sean, we've tried the ideological strength route for eight years and what did we get? 9/11." Incredible how you still try to blame Clinton for
38 Alpha 1 : Sean, we've tried the ideological strength route for eight years and what did we get? Josh, I know you've only been around 20 years, but can't you loo
39 B747-437B : We did nothing to raise the ire of these groups and countries during the Clinton administration and yet they still hate us. Doing nothing was part of
40 Post contains images NWA742 : Not the way I see it. Basically everyone agrees with the general idea of a 'war on terrorism', i.e. that terrorism needs to be eradicated. However, in
41 Alpha 1 : Taking away aid is taking away aid. Maybe they would feel that as a punishment, but to us, it's just saving money, not punishing. Bullshit. If you do
42 DoorsToManual : Wow, what a cracker of a thread. I must check the non-av forum more regularly for my daily dose of comedy...
43 Boeing4ever : Not meaning to butt-into this conversation but you've just made tons of children (and 'Nippon' tourists) sad over this...especially over that cartoon
44 L-188 : Ok, well here goes. Succession of Alaska from the United States. Removal of federal management of fish and game resources. Revamping the military to e
45 Alpha 1 : Succession of Alaska from the United States. After that, you have no say, L-188, since you'd no longer be an American, so the rest of what you say doe
46 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I'm all for evicting Demolition Dick, a.k.a. Mayor Richard M. Daley to France, err... Freedance Signed Theodore, the evil conservative bear Oh I see,
47 L-188 : Well, 9th circut is the most overturned court in the country and I belive it also has the biggest backlog Alpha. You want to tell me what you think my
48 Post contains images Alpha 1 : If Number #1 would happen right now, you might turn into an anti-Bush person, since you know how Bush feels he has the right to interfere in any count
49 Scorpio : NWA742, I know what you're saying, but the rest of the world did not have to experience 9/11. No, they've just had to experience years and years of te
50 Alpha 1 : Terrorism was not 'invented' on 9/11, you know. No, but it was re-invented in many ways, taken to levels never seen before, on a scale never seen befo
51 Scorpio : Alpha 1, I am very much aware of the impact 9/11 has had on the Americans. And I am aware of the sheer scale of it. But today the Bush administration
52 Sabena 690 : Alpha1 - I agree with your post. Do you think that the paranoïc reaction of Americans who only want to see the Middle East nuked has something to do
53 Post contains images NWA742 : No, they've just had to experience years and years of terrorist attacks, maybe not as spectacular as those on 9/11, but deadly all the same. Terrorism
54 Alpha 1 : But today the Bush administration is using, or, as I believe, abusing, 9/11 to further its own agenda. I agree with that, and that's why I'm so upset
55 Scorpio : Also, you have to put to fact that all these countries that were against Bush's actions might have felt differently had they have had a 9/11 of their
56 Lehpron : Alpha_1: "the military should run the country and should be worshipped" Jcs17: "2. Now where did I say that exactly?" You didn't say it, you did not h
57 Boeing4ever : Oi, Oi, Oi! Jcs, I remember your comments on John McCain from Chat. It got me thinking about the problems facing Democrats and Republicans. The Dems h
58 NWA742 : I would hope they would not let their emotions cloud their judgment. The Bush administration did just that, and used the American fear to further its
59 Alpha 1 : You simply do not get it Scorpio. RIGHT NOW, AT THIS PRESENT DAY, NOT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, it's only been a few months. Well, we sure as hell weren't r
60 Scorpio : NWA742, That's a good point, but it goes both ways. In every country, whether or not their government agreed with the war, the public opinion differed
61 Post contains images NWA742 : A large majority of the people in every country but the US were against the war. I believe it was some 80% in my country, for instance. Care to back t
62 Alpha 1 : You continue to ignore the fact that Bush based this war in Iraq over Saddam breaking international laws and having a WMD program, not his ties to Al
63 Post contains images Scorpio : Seems Alpha 1 beat me to it! Excellent response, Alpha 1. (Damn those time zones ) Anyway, to add to Alpha 1's post: Bullshit. They say we have docume
64 Keesje : US students should be forced to live out of the USA for 1.5-2 yrs and learn at least one foreign language. South / Middle America, Europe, Middle East
65 Post contains images Seb146 : For those of you who want to see English as the official language of the States, when it was voted on in the 1700s, English actually came in third beh
66 Boeing4ever : US students should be forced to live out of the USA for 1.5-2 yrs and learn at least one foreign language. In that case all EU studenct should be forc
67 Keesje : In that case all EU studenct should be forced to live in the USA for 1.5-2yrs and maybe learn something about us...as opposed to acting like know-it-a
68 Post contains images Boeing4ever : B4e, why so rude & unrespectfull ? Is that necessary ? Reread JCS17's thread starter...that's enough to put anyone in a bad mood. don't know what you
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