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Could North America Accept Israel Level Security?  
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 879 times:

This topic is bound to create plenty of controversy but I want to see what people would think about taking Israeli type security measures at North American airports. We all know 9/11 was successful as we all know because of a breach of security in the United States but I don't think Canadian security is much better. So my question is. Would the people of North America be willing to sacrifice some of their freedoms to have an almost impossible to breach security in the airports, seaports, and borders hence throwing political correctness out of the window? This would be very expensive to do large scale but I believe the US is probably the only country to pull it off large scale. Tell me what you think.


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 874 times:

I don't think the issue would be racial profiling, if you want to build a "fortress defense". The biggest issue would be cost pure and simple, and it will be pretty tough to do in these economic issues.



User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 865 times:

No, we will not give up one more freedom for safety.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Way too expensive and the ACLU would be all over it too.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 844 times:

Nope, but if it meant the end of the ACLU, I would deal with it.  Big grin

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 839 times:

I hate to tell you, KROC, that if the ACLU weren't around, despite all our prostestations of them notwithstanding, the government, be it under Democrat or Republican, would run over personal liberties. Such is the nature of government.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Alpha 1. From www.dictionary.com


fa·ce·tious [ fə sshəss ]

adjective

1. supposed to be funny: intended to be humorous but often silly or inappropriate


2. not in earnest: not to be taken seriously
a facetious suggestion


[Late 16th century. From French facétieux , from facétie “joke,” from Latin facetia , from facetus “graceful, witty.”]


fa·ce·tious·ly adverb
fa·ce·tious·ness noun




User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 825 times:

I think you were only being PARTLY funny. A lot in all of us wishes that sometimes.  Smile

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Alpha 1. Fa-cet-ious

'Nuff said. I'm not clueless like say certain rabid right wingers on here...notably of the 300 series variety.

[Edited 2003-08-23 02:58:45]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 823 times:

'Nuff said. I'm not clueless like say certain rabid right winders on her...notably of the 300 series variety.

Damn, I have no idea who that could be. Also, how about the '17 Series?  Big grin


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 809 times:

I hate to tell you, KROC, that if the ACLU weren't around, despite all our prostestations of them notwithstanding, the government, be it under Democrat or Republican, would run over personal liberties. Such is the nature of government.

Agree - But why is it that the ACLU only likes to defend certain amendments? Ignoring the whole right to bear arms debate (before you start, I don't agree with an unrestricted right to bear arms), why does the ACLU believe that federal judiciary action is the panacea to all its grievances? It seems to me that many of the ACLU's positions run directly in conflict with the ninth and tenth amendments.

I really believe that we are witnessing federalism growing out of control.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29786 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 807 times:

Americans would never tolorate it.

But I do agree with some of the policies of Isreal, like requiring troops on leave to carry their weapons with them.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 798 times:

Americans would tollerate it after enough of them have been killed.
Israel puts up with it because they know the alternative is having hundreds of their countrymen killed every day by terrorists.
I have to hope Americans aren't so selfish that they put their own petty comforts over that and continue to protest having to pass through a metal detector when airliners start blowing up at a rate of 5-10 a day over their country.



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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 787 times:

Hell, I don't deny my American-ness, but I'm half tempted to move to Iceland as it is. Ahhh, a government and population small enough to actually function together.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 780 times:

I agree with Jwenting - I'm pretty certain anyone, whatever their nationality, would be more than willing to put up with constant security checks if they knew they were 100% legitimate targets for 1000s of would-be currently active and furious suicide bombers living in the state next door.

Either that, or they would just leave the country.

Sane Israelis and Palestinians, imo, don't really have an choice anyway.


User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 758 times:

How was what happened on 9/11 a security breach? Box cutters were not prohibited items at the time. The security didnt fail that day,it acted as it was supposed to. /rant off. No,Americans would not stand for Israeli type security here.

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