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Americans Traveling To France Down 80%.  
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1633 times:


Per a French Travel agent group the amounts of Americans traveling to France is down 80% over the prior year:

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=816392003

Interesting.

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User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

No, it's just that those deliberately boycotting France are amongst the uneducated and childish of American society.

There is a huge and thriving American expat community in Paris, so it's not a uniform across-the-board boycott.

And frankly, anyone stupid enough to boycott France for its admirable independence and refusal to join a war in support of the US defence industry and little else, is probably not wanted in France anyway!  Wink/being sarcastic

My message to those boycotting France: grow up.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

anyone stupid enough to boycott France for its admirable independence and refusal to join a war in support of the US defence industry and little else, is probably not wanted in France anyway!

Any country such as France who is not willing to help rid the poor Iraqi people of a demogogue like Saddam Hussein does not deserve American tourist $ in the first place.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Haven't we been here before?



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Somehow I doubt this 80% figure is correct... I can tell you that loads on Air France flights to the US are not down 80% nor are they down 80% on any other airline. They might be down but nowhere near that and I bet it has to do more with financial reasons then anything else.

And I'm with DoorsToManual here, if your boycotting France because of their governments position, you need to get a life.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

I guess this is the best time to visit France. Big grin


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCaptainStabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Hmmm...perhaps it's more than just politics? Ever thought that the dollar's low value vs. the Euro might play a factor?

As far as flights to Paris, my understanding that all (4 or 5) AF flights out of JFK leave full with very good yields. Some people are still going.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

"Haven't we been here before?"

Yes, we have. And it would be really great to not see one more US vs. rest of the world thread. Please just don't get into another "boycott this don't boycott that" flame wars.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

I can't believe that 80% of the Americans travelling to France are stupid, so or a) this figure is wrong or b) education must improve in the US, and people need to grow up.

As much as I hate Bush, I still enjoyed my coca cola this afternoon, and I'm still saving to go to America hopefully next year.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Maturity? This is a topic about immaturity, what do you expect? Praising this boycott, like Yyz717 too, is just as immature as the boycott itself. I made valid points.

And yes, I sometimes resort to insults as well, but I could care less if I get banned and I'm not as bad as some of the the others.

Why didn't you suggest deletion?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

How can an opinion be "immature"?

Ask Captain Stabbin over there.

Can't you counter the opinion with something more contributory than boo fucking hoo???????

If you READ what I said, I wrote...'The US lets countless despotic leaders remain in power throughout the world, and the US supported Saddam while he was using chemical weapons against the Iranians!'.

The US has no room to boycott France, it can't take the moral high ground.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

If you READ what I said, I wrote...'The US lets countless despotic leaders remain in power throughout the world, and the US supported Saddam while he was using chemical weapons against the Iranians!'.

I don't disagree with your comment, but you destroy your credo with you start with boo fucking hoo.

I don't recommend boo fucking hoo in any argument.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Opinions and actions can sometimes be way more immature than some swear words.

I don't know if that applies for France aswell (but it probably does), but it didn't see fewer American tourists in Munich this year than the years before.


User currently offlineCyril B From France, joined Jun 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

The real figure is 30%, not 80%.

On the one hand, some hotels and restaurants suffered from the lack of american tourists, but on the other hand, more british and german tourists visited France this summer, and most of the french decided to stay in France for holidays = the consequences of this "boycott" are very small.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

The bicker is rather silly.
I'd like to see some figures on Americans travelling to Great Britan, Germany, Italy, Spain etc..

Our economy is bad and many people can't afford to travel. Now if there is a disproportionate amount of Americans avoiding France for political issues than I pity my country.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

How far I get? What are you on about? Does it really matter at all if I 'win' an argument here or not? Be realistic for crying out loud, this is a WEBSITE.

Sticking to the topic...why isn't the US boycotting the purchase of oil from Saudi Arabia?


User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

I had considered going, but it was too hot over there for my tastes.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

Our economy is bad and many people can't afford to travel. Now if there is a disproportionate amount of Americans avoiding France for political issues than I pity my country.

It's likely a combination of anti-French feeling, the poorer US economy, the lower US dollar, and perhaps an avoidance of Europe altogether due to the Iraqi war.

US visitors to Canada are also well down.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

... they are getting our GI's killed...

that would be the guy who sent them, Mr. George W. Bush!

algoes makes a very good point!

[Edited 2003-08-26 21:24:22]

[Edited 2003-08-26 21:24:47]


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
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May be a US citizen can answer this.

The US is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of democracy, so why can't the French, and/or any other nation, exercise their democratic right not to agree with US foreign policy?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Although I'm not American, I seem to remember why the US administration doesn't like what the French did:

"If you are not with us you are against us."



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

VC-10:
Some Americans still buy in to that flowery pie in the sky idea of freedom. The current regime controlling our government is trying to turn us into to United Sheeps of America.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

"Oh well the French government deserves it, they are getting our GI's killed..."

You can't be serious...


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

And now, for something completely different:

"U.S. Opposes Resolution on U.N. Workers"

" The United States on Monday opposed a resolution aimed at protecting U.N. staff because it fears it could lay the groundwork for prosecutions by the International Criminal Court, but negotiations on a compromise continued.

The Security Council scheduled a vote Tuesday on the resolution, which has languished since late April because of U.S. opposition but surged into the spotlight following last week's bombing of U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.

It calls for protecting U.N. and other humanitarian workers — and prosecuting those who try to harm them.

The United States objects to a reference in the resolution to attacks against humanitarian personnel and peacekeepers being considered a war crime by the International Criminal Court, a tribunal the Bush administration vehemently opposes." (More at 20030826/ap_on_re_us/un_humanitarian_workers_2>)


The BIG question is, will the US veto the resolution? And if they do so, will this affect US Tourism industry?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1359 times:


Why are some of you attacking Americans? You are calling us stupid for not spending our money in France?

Travel to San Diego, CA was at a very high level this summer - highest occupancy rates in the United States.

Looks like we chose to spend our money at home this year.

The link is to a UK paper, quoting a French travel agent group leader. So you can't blame the US press for this one.

I would like some figures from Germany, Britain, Italy and Spain for a fair comparison. Americans enjoy fair comparisons.

Does anyone have a report on US travel that includes these other counties?





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