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Cruz Busamante's Racist Past  
User currently offlineCaptainStabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 988 times:

Seems that California's Lt. Governor has a few skeletons in his closet. Apparently, he was a member of this hispanic student movement called MEChA while attending college at Fresno State. MEChA is known for using violence in the past and they are known to push racist views. Busmamante says he still supports this group and refuses to renounce his past ties to them.

Instead, Bustamante, who is running to be governor of California, praised the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, or MEChA (search), and said he still supports it.

"The students who are in MEChA today are just like the students when I was there, pretty much they are trying to get an education," Bustamante said during a press conference in which the first three questions related to his ties to the group.

"I think the actuality of what takes place in those organizations is to provide student leadership. For me, and many, many others, we were running for student government. That's how I got here today."

MEChA has used violence in the past to make its case. At a July 4 celebration in 1996, members of the group, who call themselves Mechistas, were videotaped attacking black and white Americans protesting illegal immigration. In 1993, students at UCLA caused $500,000 worth of damage during protests to demand a Chicano studies department. MEChA has also been associated with anti-Semitic groups like Nation of Aztlan.

MEChA's motto is "for the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing." Critics say affiliation with that kind of group could spell political ruin for a white candidate and are upset that little attention has been paid to Bustamante's relationship with the group. He belonged to MEChA while attending Fresno State University in the 1970s.



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User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 930 times:



He won't renounce the origination, which could be called a Latino KKK group.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Hmmmm...interesting. MEChA is an extremist group, we actually have a chapter on campus, they basically hate anyone who isnt Hispanic. For Bustamante not to renounce his ties with this group could spell trouble and its completely stupid. All the GOP has to do is describe MEChA and their actions and I'm sure many would see Bustamante in a different light.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 908 times:

How many Whites have Mecha killed?  Confused


I am not Hispanic and I have friends that belong to Mecha. I've even dated a girl in Mecha years ago in college. I never felt any hatred from the organization.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 908 times:

Hey guys, Superfly has never had any problems with MEChA, so obviously there is nothing wrong with them.  Insane

User currently offlineCaptainStabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 903 times:

I wish it was all so easy, Josh. Unfortunately, the media seem more preoccupied -- and offended -- by Arnold's father's Nazi past then Busamante's racist past and (possibly) present. They're really doing California voters a disservice.

[Edited 2003-08-29 19:14:34]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 893 times:

How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?  Confused




KROC:
I guess you have a point. Everybody loves Superfly!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 891 times:

Ouch, I hate those effective redirects!  Big grin

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 890 times:

"How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?"

Checkpoint, Mate.

But it still doesn't solve the issue of ties to a loutish organization.


User currently offlineCaptainStabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 885 times:

How many people have Mecha killed compared to the Nazis?

That's hardly relevant in this case. Arnold himself was never a Nazi; Busamante is a racist and has personal ties to a racist organization. Hasn't he used disparaging terms on blacks?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-02-06-wickham.htm


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Mr. Stabbin:
I remember when this happened. Politicians seem to be getting away with saying all sorts of offensive garbage. I think Cruz Bustamante's actions carries more weight than a poor choice of words at a speech.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Sort of like Trent Lott saying "Barney Fag," aint it?

Didn't see no republicans getting all ornery about that?

In any case, how can any politician be so plumb stupid to use the N-word in a public speech? Unless it was used in context to disparage those who use the word.

Bustamante is a bust.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 870 times:

It was DickArmy (R-TX) that made the 'fag' comment.
Trent Lott was the one who praised Strom Thurmond's overtly racist campaign of 1948. Robert Byrd (D-WV)used a poor choice of words in an interview once as well. Conrad Burns (R-MT) joked with a guy who also used the 'N' word as well.
All of these politicians managed to keep there jobs after such garbage.

[Edited 2003-08-29 20:09:04]


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User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 860 times:

Simply put:
Bustamonte: Current and unapologetic member of racist group
Arnold: Never a member of racist group and apologetic for his family's participation in events that occured before he was born.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Simply put:
Racist ties will not stick to either candidate. Since when are Republicans so concerned about tolorance any way?
What matters is who can solve this budget mess? Who has the magic wand to fix this mess with out raising taxes?

Maybe voters will realize that we are better off keeping Gray Davis.



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User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 838 times:


The Hispanic group's motto is : For the Bronze skinned people everything, for the non-bronzed skin people nothing.

Add to that the use of the "n" word more then once in a speech in the past and I doubt he will appeal to non-Hispanics.

There are at least 3 better names on the ballot then Davis.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 832 times:

North County:
There are at least 3 better names on the ballot then Davis.

I agree!
Gary Coleman, Larry Flynt, Mary Carey and Gallagher!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Hey Superfly, I don't disagree with you one bit in terms of what is really important for your state.

However, the media needs force Bustamante's hand like they would "hog-tie" any Republican that might have similar credentials as Cruz. His membership and/or association with this group is totally unacceptable in this day and age.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 823 times:

Here is an interesting article from a Republican about this Mecha story.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/29/MN61502.DTL

It's bizarre to assume this is some kind of radical group, seeking to overthrow part of the United States," said Mike Madrid , who has worked on Latino affairs for the state Republican Party. "It was part of the Brown Beret and Chicano studies movement, but it's mainly a social group and has been for years. To suggest it's involved in paramilitary training or some underhanded conspiracy is ludicrous."



However, the media needs force Bustamante's hand like they would "hog-tie" any Republican

That's because some Republicans play the race card to win over White voters particularly in the Deep South. Some of there lagislation and campaigns have racist undertones and that's why a Republican would have been 'hog-tied'.

I know people in Mecha and they are good people striving for an eduaction. Nothing more.



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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 815 times:

Since when have Republicans cared about tolorance.. what a bunch of liberal BS.


The republican party has done alot for the black population I think, like getting them a hell of alot of rights. Remember when the democrats were the blacks worst nightmare?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 808 times:

N312RC:
Maybe I should have wrote; "Since when are Republicans so concerned about tolorance in the past 70 years "

 Smile



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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 803 times:

ah yes, it may be a long time but they did help to get you some real fundamental things.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 800 times:

ah yes, it may be a long time but they did help to get you some real fundamental things.

Wow you sound kind of bitter. You don't feel you benefit as well?



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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 780 times:

I dont, in this land of affirmative action I simply dont.



Its tough bein a white male American nowadays.



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 749 times:

I'm amazed that people are actually arguing over whether Arnold's father's past or Bustamante's MEChA past.

Bustamante, Schwarzenegger, and Davis are all obscenely unqualified for the highest office in our state. All three of them are assholes and I won't vote for any of them.

You people arguing over who is worse are doing exactly what Gray Davis wants you to do. While you argue about Bustamante and Schwarzenegger, you forget that there actually is a recall election going on, and the worst possible thing happens, which is Davis stays in office.

This is a complete lose-lose situation for California. Either we keep the most corrupt governor in the history of our state in office, or we choose between a couple of completely worthless politicians. One wants the highest state tax increase in the history of the state (I don't care about the MEChA thing or the hypocrites who are making it a big deal), the other is a B-movie actor who doesn't know the first goddamn thing about politics, much less righting the budget of a state that is bleeding red ink.

We're f*cked.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
25 Airworthy : I agree with DeltaSFO, but there is one candidate in this recall that I would vote for, Tom McClintock. He's the only person who has a clear idea of w
26 Post contains images Superfly : N312RC: Its tough bein a white male American nowadays. You can't possibly be serious. DeltaSFO: I agree with you partially. I thinks it's silly to arg
27 Jaysit : "Its tough bein a white male American nowadays." You can't be serious now, can you? Try being a man (or woman) of color. Then try running for Presiden
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