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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 747 times:

I always find it strange that if in a Premiership football match the referee makes a bad decision he is pilloried and yet very rarely does this happen in cricket. In the test match today against South Africa England had at least 2 blatant lbw decisions not given which proved to be costly. Now I know there is the saying that these things even themselves out over the course of a teat match but why the double standards? Why does the cricket umpire get away with far less criticism?

What is even more bizarre is that when the umpire does get a decision correct the commentators leap to praise him. Sure well done and all that but it is their JOB to make the calls correctly. Maybe hawkeye should be used to adjudicate on close lbw decisions as these are tricky to make. I think cricket would benefit from this, and cricket matches would then be decided by the players and not the umpires.


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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 740 times:

Wasn't the quote "Cricket is a game of glorious uncertainities" made by an umpire ? Or maybe an English captain ?  Smile


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 728 times:

The first thing you need to remember is that Hawkeye is less than perfect. it gives an indication only, and can be as much as four inches out, and that's a hell of a lot when it comes to lbw decisions. The second thing is that unlike in football the rules explicitly state that the batsman shall be given the benefit of the doubt. Therefore, even if Hawkeye shows that the ball would have clipped leg stump, a not out decision is perfectly correct because there is doubt.

Umpiring is extremely difficult, but I've always felt that the umpires making an occasional mistake is as much a part of the game as a batsman chasing a wide half volley or a fielder dropping a catch. It's part of the game, and providing they aren't completely incompetent then I have no problems with errors whatsoever. Going to constant replays is a dreadful idea, everyone would appeal every time it hit the pad, and even then you hear the commentators say time and again that they're not sure. In that case it still isn't out, so I don't see where it helps us at all.

Even worse, we've seen time and again that a two dimensional image simply cannot cope with low catches. They ALL look not out, even when a catch has been taken cleanly.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 726 times:
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Got to agree with Banco.

Oh, England have done quite well today to get SA out for less than 500 and now ending the day at 165-2.

Celebrating another ginormous score by Lancs (781 all out!) and the distinct possibility of Bangladesh winning a match.

David


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 725 times:

And Sutcliffe missed out again! He's making a habit of that. Kent are doing both Lancs and Sussex a favour by absolutely thumping Surrey.

Bangladesh's chances will depend on getting Mr Blobby - Inzamam Ul Haq - early tomorrow.

And yes, not a bad comeback by England, though they're quite capable of wrecking the good work tomorrow morning.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 721 times:

And yes, not a bad comeback by England, though they're quite capable of wrecking the good work tomorrow morning.

Come on Banco. It must be hard enough for Vaughan to get much sleep tonight. Must you make it any worse for the poor chap ?  Smile



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 718 times:

I fear twenty years of watching ineptitude has coloured my thinking, Barfbag. When you consider that these people are the best in the country (and I've played against Test cricketers, I know how good they are - the difference between us and them is frightening), I really don't believe I should be reduced to the level of screaming "For Christ's sake, bowl straight!" at them. Do you?  Big grin


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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 700 times:

Banco: I think you just hit the jackpot regarding how to motivate England! All that's needed, it appears, is a collective national outlook (spearheaded by you, no doubt) that no matter how good a position England are in, they'll cock it up anyway. Oh wait, didn't you say that even before England DID cock it up in the past ? Back to the drawing board, I guess  Big grin


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 698 times:

Looks like we might win...

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 683 times:
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It's 110 to win off 84 overs and they are currently 1 without loss after an over. And Trescothick has just been dropped by Hall off Ntini....things could "interesting".

David

[Edited 2003-09-08 12:58:18]

[Edited 2003-09-08 12:58:47]

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 672 times:

And England have won by 9 wickets. Now OK, I admit I didn't think they had it in them, but that was a really terrific display by England. South Africa were aout 360-3 after the first day and finished up with 484. Trescothick batted beautifully, as did Thorpe, but even with those two it looked like England would only just pass the Proteas' score. But Freddie Flintoff went berserk (again) and that 120 run lead ultimately proved to be the difference.

So, I suppose a 2-2 draw is not a bad outcome considering that England were bloody awful for much of the series. I've said before that England have the nucleus of a good side in the coming years, and the likes of Flintoff have really come of age recently - he could go on to be a really special player. Alec Stewart has now retired at the age of 86, but Thorpe and Hussain both have to be kept in the side - they're both quality players. Stewart himself said that if you always go for youth for the sake of it you'll never play your best team. With Stewart out of the picture we can afford playing both veterans because the rest of the team will be quite young - only Butcher over 30 (just) out of the batsmen, and only Giles out of the bowlers because I can't see Caddick coming back.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 669 times:
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Alec Stewart has now retired at the age of 86

For the millionth time, stop exagerrating! Glad to see them win now that I'm a "man of leisure". I've only been raving about Flintoff for a few years (started with his 143 off 66 balls for Lancs v Essex) as I knew that he had the absolute destructive power to batter the opposition into submission but it seems that either self-doubt (unlikely) or coaches told him to reign in his attacking play and so played like a pillock for most of the time. He must be allowed to play with freedom for England to get the best of him. His bowling is also improving beyond recognition though without the instantaneous results....I'm sure it will be a matter of time before he regularly nips 2 or 3 wickets per innings.

I await the touring party announcement with interest; the additional spinners for the Asian part of it should be Keedy and Croft and I am extremely tempted to suggest that Bicknell be taken as well. I don't think taking both Anderson and Harmison is a good idea for that part of the world, so I'd go with Harmison letting Anderson to get some time off to refine his bowling.

David


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 668 times:

Interesting that you mention Gary Keedy. It's certainly true that his bowling has improved immeasurably recently. Whether he's ready to step up to international level I'm not sure but I suppose we'll never know unless he's selected. Maybe a place at the academy this winter might be an option. It seems to me that in the spin department the selectors have their collective eye on James Tredwell of Kent, not least because he can bat, but I suspect that for the winter it'll be Giles and Croft again, at least for the first two tours.


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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 664 times:

Eh, are England touring India again anytime soon ? If so, please, please, please, for the love of God, keep Giles at home. We can't stand the fellow. We've about had enough of him and his 2-metres-down-the-legside bowling the last time you fellows toured!


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 662 times:

Well they're in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka this winter so I'm sure Giles can wave at you as the plane dips its wings on the way past.  Big grin

He seems to be back to bowling round the wicket these days thank God. But the nasty thing was that it's undeniable that his negative over the wicket ploy was effective - Tendulkar struggled against it and in the end had an almighty slog and was stumped for the first time in his career.



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 660 times:

Wow we won  Wow!

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