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The Gov/SAS23/Neil Robertson Gets Life!  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5242 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3094574.stm

Paedophile jailed by under fire judge

A paedophile who abused a seven-year-old girl for a year after befriending her mother on the internet has been jailed for life.

Neil Robertson was sentenced by Lord Reed, who caused controversy last week by sentencing a man who raped a baby to five years in prison.

At the High Court in Dunfermline, Lord Reed heard Robertson described as a dangerous psychopath who had had a sexual interest in pre-pubescent girls for 20 years.

He set a minimum term of six years before Robertson can be considered for parole.

Robertson, 37, from Troon, Ayrshire, admitted a catalogue of sexual offences against the young girl after he befriended her mother through an internet chat room.

He pretended to have been a pilot, a businessman and a psychologist to win over the woman's trust.

Parole board

Within weeks, he was taking photographs of himself abusing her daughter.

Lord Reed heard a psychologist's report which said Robertson was highly likely to offend again.

Last week Lord Reed faced criticism after sentencing baby rapist James Taylor to five years in jail.

On Tuesday, he took 25 minutes to explain why Robertson deserved a life sentence.

He said Robertson presented a considerable danger to the public and should serve at least six years in jail.

He stressed it did not follow that he would be released then and it would be up to the parole board to decide when Robertson should be freed.
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I'm glad he got life, but parole in six years....please. Every year this guy is out of prison is another year that he has a chance to harm children. I would hope for at least fifteen to twenty years before he is eligible for parole. Oh well, I guess we can count on some brilliant SAS23 posts coming in late 2009.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5149 times:

I'm glad he got life, but parole in six years....please.

I'm glad too that he got life, he deserved it! I agree, parole after six years is a joke for such a disgusting crime.

Patrick


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5133 times:

Sick, just sick, however, once those in prison "get wind" of his crime, my assumption is that they will dish out their own sentence and he will not see his first parole hearing.

Rgds,

Greg



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User currently offlineBr715-a1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

I feel queasy. That Sick S.O.B. deserves to be jailed for 254 years.

Congratulations SAS23, On behalf of Matt D, YOU WIN THE SENTENCE.

[Edited 2003-09-09 19:47:43]

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Parole after 6 years???

What a joke...

Put the criminal in jail, and give him a psychological treatment.

Frederic


User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Sorry, but how could you prove SAS23 and the man article speaks about is same person? Do you remember SAS23 real name from time he was around? And even if so, you still can't be sure... People in internet can take names of other people... BTW, when did court started? Because I remember SAS23 posting in airwhiners this year...

I do however think life sentence is probably too much for abuse - I think that life sentence should be said only for murdering, irreparable body injures and drug trafficking/using and only in countries where there are no capital sentences (UK qualifies this).

I do however still think that I am going to remove SAS23 from my respected users list if he really was the man who did that crime (any evidence that he is the same person?). I know, probably respecting users is for their opinion and not their personal life, but still I wouldn't like to have pedophile in that list...


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Sonic, its the same person.
I guess he'll be put into Bar-L, the toughest jail in Scotland, which also houses the Lockerbie bomber.
Keep him in there for the rest of his life, he deserves it.  Angry
Also everyone in Scotland was very angry at this judge because of this:
Last week Lord Reed faced criticism after sentencing baby rapist James Taylor to five years in jail.
That guy should have got life also  Angry  Angry



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

I wonder if he will come back to A.net


Go big or go home
User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4339 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

He deserve it.....He did some very illegal and also it is sickening, but simply deserve on his actions. Now his life is practically ruined. Say bye bye to his life....he is behind bars for good.

Kevin


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Lets just hope he stays there for the full length of his sentence.


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

I hope he gets the help that he so desperately needs...

Somehow I doubt that though, he'll get 'a taste of his own medicine' in prison for sure...


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

EGGD, Especially in Barlinnie (Bar-L) if thats where he is taken.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Parole after six years? Well, there have been miraculous changes of personality... Let's hope that he doesnt get out before he either is cured or has served his sentence (and hopefully been cured).


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User currently offlineBr715-a1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

I do however think life sentence is probably too much for abuse - I think that life sentence should be said only for murdering, irreparable body injures and drug trafficking/using and only in countries where there are no capital sentences

It IS an irrepairable body injury. That poor girl will be scarred for life.

I guess he'll be put into Bar-L, the toughest jail in Scotland, which also houses the Lockerbie bomber.

Hmmm. Aviation Bomber meets Aviation enthusiast (and girl raper)
Coming to theaters September 11, 2003



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Try reading the report carefully, 'considered for parole in 6 years', yet reports said that he is very likely to offend again, so that does not bode well for him at any parole board, he's been inside before remember.


User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4844 times:
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Dead man walking....dead man walking. Prison folk dont take kindly to his type.


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User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

That'll teach him! I'm wondering what is the purpose of a life sentence if he is eligible for parole after 6 years? I think (can anyone confirm this) that in the UK a life sentence is actually 24 years.

User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

I'm curious. How do you know The Gov and SAS23 and the other name referred to on CivAv are all this guy? Is there another thread about this?


But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

Who is this guy and why is everyone having an orgasm over his arrest?

User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Dead man walking....dead man walking. Prison folk dont take kindly to his type.

You might be surprised to find that prison staff in the UK are more interested in keeping people locked up, rather than enforcing their own little mob-justice system.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

It's sick that a person like Robertson could even get parole for something like that. For the sake of innocent children, I hope his sorry ass stays in jail where it belongs.

-GD727



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User currently offlineB744 From New Zealand, joined Dec 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Jaysit - do a search by the user names SAS23 and Ceilidh. All will be revealed.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

You might be surprised to find that prison staff in the UK are more interested in keeping people locked up, rather than enforcing their own little mob-justice system.


You might be surprised that he wasn't referring to prison staff.


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Hence "locked up". AIUI he's unlikely to be sharing a cell with any other arbirtary offender; they prefer to keep people like this separated.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineGaza From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

NDR had as many "handles" as he had personalities. Around here he was known as SAS23 and Ceilidh. He probably had other handles that he used to "groom" unsuspecting youngsters. On PPRUNE he was The Guvnor. It was through a lot of effort by Danny Fyne that he was eventually brought to Justice. For the full background read this:-

"The Guvnor, exposed PPRuNer aka Neil Robertson of Lionair fame guilty of paedophilic

After many months of waiting it can finally be announced, thanks to the efforts of many PPRuNers in gathering evidence that Neil Robertson of 150 Walker Avenue, Troon in Ayrshire, more commonly known here on PPRuNe as The Guvnor and on other websites as SAS23 or Ceilidh has been found guilty of predatory paedophilic acts against a seven year old girl. Robertson who pretended to be an airline executive and pilot amongst other things was exposed here on PPRuNe after repeatedly trying to use the website to further his business scams.

Many PPRuNers met Robertson at several PPRuNe bashes, the first of which was held at 'The Old Bank of England' pub in Fleet Street, London. It was at that bash when I first met him and within minutes of being introduced I had my suspicions about his authenticity. At that time none of us had any suspicion about his paedophilia but his claims to have been an airline executive and an airline pilot were plain for any of us in the industry to see as being bogus.

Robertsons stories smacked of 'Walter Mitty' fiction and it only took a small amount of research to see that he was untrustworthy. Through PPRuNe I was able to gather information on Robertson and his more recent 'business' activities which included claims to be an airline owner and the recipient of funding to acquire several ex-Delta Airlines L1011 tri-jets. Enquiries into his status at Prestwick International Airport soon revealed that Robertsons 'office' was nothing more than a briefcase, a mobile phone and a premium rate fax number where faxes were accessed through email. Prestwick Airport were informed about our suspicions but Robertson continued up until his arrest to use their facilities as a drop mail address.

After more research into Robertsons background I was given copies of CV's he was distributing which revealed the total fabrication of his life history, including his claims to have several degrees in aviation business management and more suspiciously, Child Psychology. A follow up on the previous employers revealed that they were either non-existent or else no one knew of Robertson. This was all revealed on PPRuNe yet many people refused to believe that he was nothing but a Walter Mitty and continued to lambast me for alerting the aviation industry to Robertsons fraudulent history as though I was just on a personal vendetta.

Documents were found that revealed a more serious side to the liar. Letters from credit agencies, banks and credit card companies revealed that Robertson had been fraudulently opening bank accounts and spending as much as he could up to and exceeding the overdraft limits. My sources revealed that he was using fake airline tickets to travel to America and the Caribbean in his pretence to be an affluent airline executive trying to secure other peoples aircraft. He was even trying to harvest the email addresses of PPRuNer Wannabes and offering them shares in his fraudulent company in return for the offer of a job as a pilot if they invested enough money to cover the type rating costs. Luckily, he sent one of those emails to me and I was able to immediately alert everyone on PPRuNe about his scam. I am led to believe though, that there were a few gullible people who refused to listen to the warnings being raised on PPRuNe about the con-man and some people did indeed give Robertson some smaller sums on the promise that they would get various jobs and functions in his proposed airline.

I was eventually contacted by Robertsons ex-girlfriend from his time in South Africa and she told me about his paedophile activities. This was indeed a shock and although the charges against Robertson were eventually dropped due to the girlfriend deciding that she would rather protect her young daughter from having to face Robertson in open court the allegations had been made and further enquiries were made. Soon after this more rumours started arriving about other paedophile activity that Robertson was alleged to have committed whilst he was in Africa. At this time, I also received information about Robertsons claims to be a qualified Child Psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. The alarm bells were now really ringing and after another expose on PPRuNe about the rumours many readers did their own research and provided the damning evidence that I finally managed to put together and pass on to the Police in late 2002.

Initially, it was very difficult to get anyone in the police interested but thanks to another PPRuNe moderator who used to be in the police I was put in touch with an officer who was able to refer me to the right people. I passed on my evidence, some of which is shown in the 'Announcement' post at the top of this and every forum on PPRuNe. Within the space of just a few weeks the police had arrested Robertson and yesterday was the penultimate chapter in this ongoing saga. Robertson admitted the charges and now awaits sentencing next month.

There is of course far more to this story but I think we should be grateful that Robertson poses no imminent danger to young children for the next few years at least We must not forget though that there is at least one little girl who has had her innocence destroyed by this pervert and I have reason to belive that there are other children who have been abused by him but charges ave not been brought yet in an attempt to make sure that the legal system gives him an appropriate sentence. Watch this space.

Robertson attempted to shut me up by threatening legal action against me for 'libeling' and 'slandering' him. I called his bluff and had the satisfaction of watching him resort to more desperate maneuvers to stop me cutting him off at every corner. He even published my name, home address and phone number on a number of websites, including some where the readership are slightly more 'rednecked' claiming that I was a war criminal responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinian women and children. He included an invitation to anyone who believed him to visit me and extract their revenge in person. Typical of the coward that he was, he tried to incite others to carry out the violence he felt towards me. Thankfully, no-one was stupid enough to actually try and carry out his invitation although it did take some time, money and legal threats to get some of those website owners to remove the allegations and my personal and private details. Unfortunately, the owners of some of those websites refused to belive any of the evidence I provided them in order to prove my case that Robertson was nothing but a Walter Mitty con-man. Even when provided with the more serious and damning evidence that he was also a paedophile and a predator they refused to stop him from making his ridiculous claims that he was just an innocent businessman and that it was just my personal vendetta. Some of them even went on to defend him and claimed that he was a personal friend!

In the end everything has turned out for the best. Robertson is incarcerated and is likely to be so for quite some time. Those that refused to believe the evidence that countered their gullible belief that Robertson was just a hard working entrepreneur and airline executive will now have to live with their consciences. The rest of us here on PPRuNe can be proud that we stood by our convictions and the insurmountable evidence that we were dealing with a dangerous pervert. Thank you all for your continued support."



Just because he can be considered for parole after 6 years does not mean he will be released.

Firstly, he must pass all his rehabilitation programs and be judged not to be a danger to children.

Secondley, if he does get out he is on parole officer for the rest of his life. He is considered as being "released on license". One slip up and the license is revoked and he goes back to jail.

Sonic you say: Sorry, but how could you prove SAS23 and the man article speaks about is same person? Do you remember SAS23 real name from time he was around? And even if so, you still can't be sure... People in internet can take names of other people... BTW, when did court started? Because I remember SAS23 posting in airwhiners this year...

Believe me, Neil Robertson and SAS23 are the same people. NDR plead guilty in June to all the charges. He was sentenced yesterday.

Further news stories:-

http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=1196
http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=995802003
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/10-9-19103-0-11-25.html


25 Andreas : Well thank you for the info, Gaza, I'm pretty flabbergasted, I have to admit. 1-2 years ago I had some discussions going on on the civil aviation foru
26 Alessandro : Isn´t he a repeat offender, with a conviction (prison term) for child abuse in 1991? Then I think it´s highly unlikely he be freed after 6 years?
27 Standby87 : Nice one Gaza, Sonic, just go to pprune.org and search for SAS23. Justice done thanks to Danny Fyne - a brave man to stand up to intimidation like hav
28 Pacificjourney : Very interesting Gaza but what is PPRUNE ? Am I thick for not knowing that ?
29 Kolobokman : Well, SAS23 is still on my respected users list. I never met the guy in the real world-I don't think I have the right to judge.
30 Delboy : PPruNe is a UK website for professional pilots and the like, they say some nice things about the members of airliners.net, errr NOT!!!!
31 Pacificjourney : Oh really, well perhaps some terse words for them then ... like having a spastic name for starters !
32 JAL777 : PJ, PPRuNe = P(roffesional) P(ilots) Ru(mour) Ne(twork) It's a pretty big site with alot of professional pilots. Good source for specific info.
33 LHMark : Well, SAS23 is still on my respected users list. I never met the guy in the real world-I don't think I have the right to judge. Good way to look at it
34 Gaza : SAS23/The Guvnor/Celidah plead guilty to raping a 7 year old girl and took photographs while doing it. He is a sick bastard and deserved his life sent
35 Flyboy36y : Radarbeam, A sentence has 2 parts.... A minimim before parole can be given and maximum. If the max is life them he CANNOT be released for life unless
36 Aloha717200 : I could have sworn he posted on Airwhiners a while back as well, asking about why his username on airliners.net was no longer active, or something lik
37 Gaza : Aloha717200 - The scumbag used multiple handles on most Bulletin Boards. I am quite sure he even used multiple handles on the same thread and debated
38 Lubcha132 : if european jails are anything like american jails, he's in trouble. murder, armed robbery, arson, no big deal to the inmates...but if you're a pedoph
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