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9/11 Have Some Respect...  
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

While there are many debates on the moral issues of 9/11, why is it that when anyone starts a thread about remembering the victims of 9/11, someone always turns it into a needless political debate? Can't we have some respect for those who start such threads? If you want to go into debate, do it in another thread. Don't trash someone else's thread for the sake of political argument. While it is your right to respond with whatever you want, can you not have the decency to leave those certain threads alone? Start your own thread about politics.

UAL747

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8696 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1906 times:




Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Whilst I agree with your point, why start a new topic???

User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

I think it would be more "respectful" to respect in silence instead of flooding the Non-Av forum with more, boring 9-11 posts....

User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

DoorsToManual, you have every right not to read those "boring 9-11 posts."

UAL747


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Why start a new topic? Because the people who posted these threads are wanting to remember in peace, and remember respectfully. They most likely don't want their sentiment to be flooded with political arguments. It doesn't belong there.

User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Have you considered that not everyone thinks the same way about 9/11 as you? I agree, it was a horrible thing, don't get me wrong. You must understand that there are people who don't think that way.

EmiratesA345  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



You and I were meant to fly, Air Canada!
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

And that's fine. But for ONE day, allow Americans and who ever else wants to, have threads that give respect to those who died, and not political wars between users. Can't you do that for one day?



User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

And that's fine. But for ONE day, allow Americans and who ever else wants to, have threads that give respect to those who died, and not political wars between users. Can't you do that for one day?

As Americans should have the right to and I don't have of problem with this. I just don't think it is positive if this day is not treated like it was last year by the media.




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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1412 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

One day? You want one day? ... Lets put this into perspective then ...

http://www.glittering.org/archives/000311.php
Posted by laura at September 11, 2002 09:29 AM

A Minute of Silence

If you are still shaken by the horrifying scenes of September 11, please observe a moment of silence for the 5,000 civilian lives lost in the New York, Washington, DC and Pennsylvania attacks.

While we're at it, let's have 13 minutes of silence for the 130,000 Iraqi civilians killed in 1991 by order of President Bush Sr. Take another moment to remember how Americans celebrated and cheered in the streets. Now another 20 minutes of silence for the 200,000 Iranians killed by Iraqi soldiers using weapons and money provided to young Saddam Hussein by the American government before the great eagle turned all its power against Iraq.

Another 15 minutes of silence for the Russians and 150,000 Afghans killed by the Taliban troops who were supported and trained by the CIA. Plus 10 minutes of silence for 100,000 Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the Atomic bombs dropped by the USA.

We've just kept quiet for one hour: one minute for the Americans killed in NY, DC, and Pennsylvania, 59 minutes for American victims throughout the world. If you are still in awe, let's have another hour of silence for all those killed in Vietnam, which is not something Americans like to admit. Or for the massacre in Panama in 1989, where Americans troops attacked poor villagers, leaving 20,000 Panamanians homeless and thousands more dead.

Or for the millions of children who have died because of the USA embargoes on Iraq and Cuba. Or the hundreds of thousands brutally murdered throughout the world by USA-sponsored civil wars and coups d'etat (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Guatemala, El Salvador to name a few).

Maybe, and although the memory of Americans claims otherwise, someone may remember the USA attack on Bagdad where 18,000 civilians were killed.

Did someone see it on CNN? Was justice ever served? Or was there even any retaliation? We hope that Americans finally begin to understand their vulnerability and the cowardly attacks and other tragedies that they have caused around the world. The dead in other places hurt as much as the dead of the Towers.

_______







User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Why start a new topic? Because the people who posted these threads are wanting to remember in peace, and remember respectfully. They most likely don't want their sentiment to be flooded with political arguments. It doesn't belong there.

I understand that... But this thread is not exactly in peace is it?


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

SKYSERVICE_330, wow, you don't mess around. Good points all, and 9/11 isn't a bad day to have them pointed out. And EGGD, what the hell are you doing in Kyrgyzstan?!


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Some of you people are impossible....
I don't get why you can't leave the people who wish to remember in peace. While there may be things to debate, someone posting a thread about remembering the victims shouldn't be turned into a debate.

Sad.

[Edited 2003-09-11 00:54:07]

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

thank you UAL. no one listens to me asking for it to stop. just leave it be, it happened. now it is time to let families and friends of those lost try to get past it. so can we stop, please?


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

I'm going flying tommorrow.

-Normal


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

I'm going flying tommorrow.

So will I. Over New York City too.  Smile


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1777 times:




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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

This is how my hometown is comemerating the event, "Joe" lived near me.

"Friends, family will honor
Driscoll with walk in park


MANALAPAN — The second annual Walk With Joe is ready to go on Saturday. In a press release issued last week, event organizer Betty Ann O’Malley said, "Momentum is building toward another successful 5K walk."

The Walk With Joe is sponsored by the Yorktowne Club, a benevolent organization in Manalapan. The event honors Patrick Joseph Driscoll.

Driscoll, 70, was a 33-year resident of Manalapan who was a passenger on United Airlines Flight 93 on Sept. 11, 2001.

The plane crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers resisted a hijack attempt by terrorists. Everyone aboard the plane died.

Saturday’s event at Battlefield State Park, Route 33, will start with registration at 8 a.m. The walk will begin at 10 a.m. Opening ceremonies will follow registration. Walk With Joe committee chairman Mike Sullivan will welcome participants with reminiscences of his friend.

The Rev. John Bambrick of St. Thomas More Church, Manalapan, will deliver an invocation that will be followed by Driscoll’s daughter, Pam Driscoll Gould, leading everyone in a salute to the flag. Musician Lee Deedmeyer of the local band Mission Dance will lead everyone in singing "God Bless America."

New Jersey State Police bagpiper Dennis Donovan will then lead everyone to the starting line for the 5K walk.

The press release quotes Sullivan saying, "The committee is looking for­ward to seeing families, friends, neigh­bors, all those who want to honor this good friend and fellow citizen who along with the passengers and crew members paid an enormous price on that fateful flight. We must never forget that day and all those people on the planes and in the (World Trade Center) towers. This is a way to bring us all together to honor them and hopefully give comfort to their families."

The entry fee is $10 and proceeds will go to the Samaritan Center, Englishtown, and the Friends of Monmouth Battle-field, Manalapan. Those who preregister are guaranteed a T-shirt.

Registration forms are available at the Gordons Corner Deli, Route 9 north, Manalapan; the Old Silver Tavern, Route 522, Manalapan; and the Samaritan Center, Harrison Avenue, Englishtown. Preregistration can also be done at www.WalkWithJoe. For additional information call the Yorktowne Club at (732) 446-9870; Jack McKenna, (732) 462-7884; Mike Sullivan, (732) 263-9519; or Betty Anne O’Malley, (732) 446-4659"



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

This is my town's new memorial dedicated to residents lost on 9-11-01.

"Manalapan memorial honors 9/11 victims
Mayor says memory
of those killed in terror
attack will live forever
By dave benjamin
Staff Writer




PHOTOS BY DAVE BENJAMIN Replicas of the World Trade Center’s twin towers flank the names of the Manalapan residents who died at the scene of the terrorist attack in New York City.

A 9/11 memorial will forever stand in the Manalapan municipal arboretum as a remembrance to all those who perished that day.

The memorial, a replica of the World Trade Center’s twin towers, includes a wall engraved with the names of Manalapan residents who were killed in a terrorist attack on the United States on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

The memorial that stands in front of the municipal building, Route 522, features the World Trade Center’s twin towers constructed of blue granite. The towers stand 7 feet tall.

A wall of polished black granite is engraved with the names of residents who were killed at the World Trade Center: Daniel T. Afflitto, Louis F. Aversano Jr., Steven H. Berger, Dominick E. Calia, James V. DeBlase, Salvatore A. Fiumefreddo, Salvatore Gitto, Christopher S. Gray, Thomas McCann and Joseph B. Plumitallo.




During the dedication ceremony of Manalapan’s 9/11 memorial, members of the Monmouth County Police Pipe and Drum Corps led the processional and recessional.

A pentagon-shaped fountain sits next to the monument and a granite boulder recalling United Airlines Flight 93 sits at the northern entrance of the memorial. A plaque attached to the boulder honors Patrick Joseph Driscoll, a longtime resident of Manalapan who was a passenger on Flight 93, which was hijacked out of Newark Liberty International Airport.

Government officials have said they believe passengers on the plane fought back against the hijackers that morning, causing the plan to be crashed in Pennsylvania. It is believed the target of Flight 93 was the White House in Washington, D.C.

During Saturday morning’s dedication ceremonies under sunny skies, the Rev. John P. Bambrick of St. Thomas More Roman Catholic Church said, "Inscribed in this memorial are the names of 11 of our finest citizens. They died as they lived, as free and independent men. Some worked in commerce, finance, government and civil service. Each of them lived the American experience."

He said the memorial is the community’s testament to its love for the victims and to its firm belief in liberty.



Speaking on behalf of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Angela Gitto thanks Manalapan residents for the support they have shown the past two years.

Personal items belonging to the men are encased in the footings of the memorial.

The speakers included George McCann, president of the Schoor DePalma engineering firm, Manalapan, who said, "Everyone labored on this project throughout the day yesterday and the finishing touches are still being done this morning. The question is, are we done? No, not yet."

McCann, who lost his brother in the terrorist attack and whose firm managed the project, said that beginning the week of Sept. 8, pavers and landscaping will be installed at the site, which will be illuminated.

"The (memorial) committee has been approached by families of former residents of this town that were lost on 9/11 so that they might be recognized, like Jason Cayne," he said. "They will also be recognized in an additional acknowledgment for former residents in the memorial.



Lt. John Gilburn of the Port Authority Police Department speaks at the dedication of Manalapan’s 9/11 memorial.

"Two years ago on 9/11, so much was taken from all of us on that day," said McCann, whose brother Thomas was a New York City firefighter. "Today there is some irony that in one given day so much was done to build and complete this memorial. We hope that this memorial stands for years to come as a tribute and a remembrance of all who were lost and that in some small way it helps to heal all of our broken hearts."

Manalapan Police Department Detective Samuel Britton, president of the local PBA No. 229, which spearheaded the fund-raising drive, said the memorial will serve as a remembrance to those who died on that horrific day.

"It is hoped that everyone will embrace this memorial as a sacred place, so that families and friends of those residents that died can find some peace and comfort here," he said.

Britton noted that a piece of a steel girder that supported Tower Two was placed in the footing of the memorial to support it, as it once did the World Trade Center.



A block of granite honors the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 who fought back against hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001, including longtime Manalapan resident Joe Driscoll.

"The design of this memorial represents the losses that occurred in New York City, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C.," Britton said.

After a moment of silence, Angela Gitto, who lost her husband in the attack, addressed the audience on behalf of the families and thanked residents for their unconditional support and concern for the 9/11 families.

"Through your love and dedication, our township will have a permanent memorial that will honor all those who were lost on Sept. 11, especially our loved ones," she said.

Speaking on behalf of the Township Committee, Mayor Drew Shapiro, said, "They may be gone. They may be lost, but for us their memory will live on forever."



Nicole Palmer (l-r), Katie Geant and Jessica Taubman, three of the four students who designed Manalapan’s 9/11 memorial, stand with teacher Vincent Farinella at Saturday’s dedication.

(Mr. Farinella was my shop teacher, many years ago!)

He thanked everyone who gave their time, effort and donations to make the memorial possible.

Lt. John Gilburn of the Port Authority Police Department then presented each family with a flag which had flown over the World Trade Center. Each flag was enclosed in a flag display case donated by the Freeman Funeral Home, Freehold and Manalapan.

During the ceremony, members of the Monmouth County Police Pipe and Drum Corps — Brian Gillespie, John Feehan, John McGrady, John Kolodziej and Paul Seetoo — led the processional and recessional of family members.

Officials noted that more than $107,000 was raised to build the memorial and companies that donated their services to help get the job done were thanked for their efforts.

Although many students, particularly those in the art classes of Kim Honecker at Manalapan High School and Vincent Farinella’s tech classes at the Manalapan Englishtown Middle School, participated in the design phase for the memorial, it all came down to the design by four students at MEMS.

"The kids at school did it," said Farinella. "They probably made 60 models between the four classes. The committee came over, looked at it and decided which ones they wanted."

A plaque inscribed with the names of MEMS graduates Brian Fintz, Nicole Palmer, Katie Geant and Jessica Taubman, and Farinella, their teacher, was placed on the memorial.

"I am extremely pleased," Britton said in conclusion. "How could you not be? The memorial turned out better than I had imagined."




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User currently offlineNikibary From United States of America, joined May 2003, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

^too many people seem to have too much pride in what they have no hand in..
seriously this post equals to someone screeming for silence while people around arent talking in the first place...


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

I wonder what it is like to be forced to remember something so extremely depressing as the events of 9/11/01. I personally would like to move on instead of dwell on the the very painful past; Ual747, you're impossible if you expect all people to for one and not another.

I don't get why you can't leave the people who DO NOT wish to remember in peace as well.

What happens when people dwell, they end up acting out their anger. To whomever doesn't matter, does it? As long as we remember 9/11.


On a side note, when you ask of people where you suspect they will do to oposite, it doesn't help your cause to complain afterwards.





The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Tomorrow is NOT a day to remember 130,000 Iraqi's killed in 1991 because Saddam was stupid; nor is it a day, or the Iranians or Iraqi's killed in the 1980 war between the two; or the Russian killed by the Chechenyans.

It's a day for Americans to remember what happened 2 years ago. Anything else is just someone trying to put in their own political messages. I imagine, around 9am, while I'm working, there'll be a moment of silence at the airport. I will bow my head, and pause to remember that terrible, and how it has scarred my country; how it affected so many lives in this country, and how it continues to affect us, good and bad. But I won't be thinking about those others that were mentioned in post #9, which was simply a camoflaged attack on the U.S. Sorry, this is our day, not that for those who wish to soemhow dishoner Americans in some twisted way.


User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1681 times:



User currently offlineEric505 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

God Bless America - land that I love.

-Anyone remember a similar post made this time last year by Goodbye? Some people have no decency.



Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

I stand solidly behind Alpha 1. He's absolutely right.

STT757, that is one good pic of the kid. Thanks for sharing that.


25 Omegous : Here is a hypothetical question for all of you who insult those of us who LIVE in the United States... Would you walk into a latter-day saints church/
26 Post contains links PHX-LJU : Here's one of several websites with photos of how the entire decent world mourned together with the US in the days following the attacks: http://arste
27 Andreas : Thank you PHX, THAT was a pretty correct post, actually, it makes me pretty sad to hear some here telling the rest of the world: This is OUR mourning
28 Alpha 1 : That's a great reminder of how the world was united in what was truly not just an American tragedy but a global tragedy. I have other thoughts about w
29 Yyz717 : Check out a dictionary. Look up the word "respect." Learn it. PHX-LJU, on what personal basis have you earned the right to tell anyone this?
30 Stretch 8 : Peace brothers. Let's try and love each other, because brothers always fight.
31 Post contains links and images Bigphilnyc : For teammate Michael Elferis. Memorial for Michael Never to be forgotten. College Point is not the same with you. Also to Shannon Adams. Memorial for
32 N6376m : SKYSERVICE_330 - It must be nice to live under the blanket of the protection that American lives have been lost to provide you with. As a "superpower"
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