Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
I don't know what to say, I'm speechless, this so sad...so if you want to be a politician and try actively to do something for your country, you have to give up any sort of private life and get surrounded by bodyguards...this world of ours can get so disgusting sometimes...!!
Pyh From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
A sad day indeed, certainly a shock in Finland, because our socities are quite similar and we share the same values. I think that she was by far the best politician in Sweden, very respected in Finland.
I'm now trying to work, but it's very difficult to concentrate on anything.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
I understand that the PM was shopping in a public place, without body guards. Is it customary for EU leaders to not be accompanied by guards at all times when in public? In any event, this is a sad day for Sweden.
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Homer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1275 times:
Inside a department store...this can't be a random act of violence, can it? I have to believe that there is a motive, political or otherwise, especially with the euro referendum being held this weekend.
Condolences to the family and all of Sweden...
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CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5746 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1272 times:
I don't think that any of the Nordic countries have bodybuards on the various ministers - except the PM. As I mentioned in the earlier thread, the Danish PM is even listed in the phone book! It's just not the nature of our citizens to physically attack the politicians - It has only happened on a few occasion before (ie. the Palme murder & the Danish PM being attacked with paint after sending troops to Iraq).
It used to be common to see the Queen of Denmark walking on her own, doing some minor shopping, but post 9/11/01 that has been less frequent. Her grandfather became well known for taking a daily horseride through the streets of Copenhagen during WW2.
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4838 posts, RR: 21 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1254 times:
Stretch8, it depends on the country. As CPH-R said, for example in Scandinavia security is non-existing. It was the same in the Netherlands, where the PM rode on his bike to his office until Pim Fortuyn was muredered last year.
In Germany it would be impossible that a government member would just walk around without any security. For example when the chancellor walks from his office to the parliament (just 5 minutes), he's always surrounded by a circle of bodyguards plus incognito policemen. And the cars of the members of government are B7-safety cars. They have 24/7 security, as have well-known MPs.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1238 times:
I do not live in Scandinavia but since I am a frequent visitor there I can confirm what you said. If you want any kind of information on any person in the country [of Sweden at least] then you just go to the Police [Polis] and ask for information and you will get it.
I flew TXL-DUS with Franz Müntefering last year and he was by himself (and also very rude...) all the time. So it is still possible in Germany.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1220 times:
Shocking is the only word to describe it, i never expect random acts of violence like this to happen in a Scandanavian country like Sweden, let alone on a senior politician. I hope the Swedish government will change their approach when it comes to security for high ranking politicians. Tony Blair and Jack Straw are driven from Downing Street to the House of commons in armour plated, bomb and bullet proof Jaguars and Range Rovers, a mere 1 minute walk. When they step out of the car they are surrounded by MI5 and secret service bodyguards, you will NEVER see them on their own in public. I suppose the security culture is different in Sweden, maybe that will change now.
RIP to her.
In Arsene we trust!!
25 Yyz717: Tony Blair and Jack Straw are driven from Downing Street to the House of commons in armour plated, bomb and bullet proof Jaguars and Range Rovers, a m
26 JoakimE: Arsenal@LHR I hope that something like that will not happen here, politicians must be close to the people, be able to talk to anyone who wishes out on
27 Arsenal@LHR: I understand what you're saying JoakimE, i wish British politicians were more close to their people like in Sweden. But the reality in some countries
28 Andreas: German member of government Renate Künast can be regularly seen in Berlin shopping without any security!!!!! People approach her, talk to her, even s
29 DoorsToManual: Well, we have to be careful about who exactly might need security or not. I am sure many members of the British or even EU parliament don't necessaril
30 JAL777: My deepest condolences to all the Swedes out there. Any news on who the perp was and what was his motive?
31 J_hallgren: As a child of Swedish parents, I too wish to add my condolences to all the Swedes, especially those who are members of this forum. I was in that NK st
32 Banco: It's far preferable for government figures not to have all the security paraphernalia that we see in other countries. Hopefully this will remain. In t
33 Klaus: My condolences to the swedish people and to her family. A sad day for Europe, in addition to the rememberance of the 9/11 victims.
34 Bromma1968: A very sad day indeed for Sweden and its people. Only the neonazi are happy. They call her a traitor!! Right wing extremists may be behind this murder
35 Jani: The Swedish police authorities are blue eyed and seems to have learned very little since 1986 when Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered. -----------
36 FunFlying: Sorry to write this but how is it possible that a department store didn't close its doors after this terrible act?!? And that thay don't have recordab
37 Racko: How someone who just stabbed someone and wears a jacket full of blood can escape through a filled department store is beyond me, too.
38 Alessandro: Well, Racko, the deed took place in the women´s clothing departement and most bystanders where females. Hard for them to stop a fit 180-185cm tall ma
39 Redngold: My condolences to all the people of Sweden. redngold
40 GDB: To add to Banco's post, the situation in Northern Ireland meant a ramping up of UK political security, though it is still light compared to the US Pre
41 Mika: Sorry to write this but how is it possible that a department store didn't close its doors after this terrible act?!? And that thay don't have recordab
42 Skystar: BBC News is just reporting that the Swedish police have arrested someone in relation to the murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3113034.st
43 Alessandro: Yes Skystar, the suspected killer is arrested.
44 Skystar: Now reports are saying noone has been arrested. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s947260.htm
45 Alessandro: They took him , during the big soccer derby in Stockholm, he was watching the game at a pub.....
46 Skystar: Here is a link to a related article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3114634.stm I really hope the police yield results this time. I just find
47 Alessandro: He´s insane, Swedish media has revealed that he been convicted for crimes 49 times during his 35 years on the planet and aren´t allowed to visit his
48 Skystar: Is there much of a debate in Sweden about mental health now, as a result of the murder? For example, funding of mental health facilities - eg. homes t
49 Alessandro: More about slack laws, a 5-year old girl was stabbed to death by a psycho, because of poor laws....