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Why I'm Not Joining The 9/11 Rememberence  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Posted (11 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Now don't get me wrong. I think that what happened two years ago was an abominable horror beyond comprehension. I feel bad for those that were lost, but....


When is it time to say enough is enough and move on with our lives?

We have CNN on here in the office, and all morning, all they have been showing are these sappy, sorrowful images of people who seem to be relishing in walking around like brothers in arms, heads bowed, and patting each other on the back, telling each other "I'm soooo sorry".

Then there was the melodramatic touch of having those kids taking turns reading all 2900 names of those who perished.

Give me a freaking break.

It was TWO YEARS AGO.

I know people who have lost loved ones prematurely before, and they weren't in mourning for that long.

I'm sorry, but I just can't share the grief any more. Not this time. We have been paying 'tribute' to these 2900 people and their families for the last two years. They managed to crush the idea of rebuilding the Twin Towers. You know they are going to get the most lavish, expensive, and hideoously overblown fancy memeorial this world has ever seen: reflecting pools, eternal flames, statues, plaques, rose gardens, and all kinds of endless reminders of absence. And now they are going forward with suing everybody and their uncle over this calamity. They are getting round the clock coverage on CNN. Most of them have already received compensatory damage awards to live quite comfortably for the rest of their lives.

WTF more do they want? Why do these people refuse to let go? Are they simply attention whores who relish the limelight? Do they love wallowing in sorrow and attempting to make everyone else miserable too?

CNN is carrying the caption of "moving forward" and "rebuilding", yet judging form these images I'm seeing, we are doing anything BUT.

I understand that "Ground Zero" was the final resting place for many people. But the fact is that their remains are now at Fresh Kills Dump, along with the rubble. Ground Zero is barren now. It is NOT a cemetary. What makes these people suddenly think that they now have proprietary ownership to that land?

Should we follow this precedent and going forward, any time somebody dies somewhere-such as in a car accident-that that loand be deemed "sacred" and "off limits"?

Can you imagine what would happen to our roads and freeways if, every time somebody was killed, that road was closed off permanently so as not to "disrepect his memory" or "the family"? It wouldn't take long before going anywhere would be impossible.

And then there's all of this brave and lofty rhetoric about "we must never forget"....

Does anyone REALLY believe that there's a soul in this country, who is old enough to have witnessed and remembered this tragedy, is NOT going to go to his or her grave and not remember that day?


I shared your pain when this happened. I recognize the importance of the first anniversary. But that should be your point of closure.

I don't share the pain any more. Unlike so many of you who insist on living in the past, I'm moving my life forward.

I just don't care about your loss anymore. You think you're the only one who's lost someone or endured adversity in your life?

And I would imagine that most people would agree with me.


BRING THE TWIN TOWERS BACK

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User currently offlineCaptainStabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

I live in New York City and lost two friends that day; had a close call myself; and eventually would lose my job due to the lingering effects of 9/11. I'm in full agreement with you. This is something I don't want to dwell on anymore.

But don't ever think that we'll forgive or forget...


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

"Then there was the melodramatic touch of having those kids taking turns reading all 2900 names of those who perished"

I agree, I mean it's terrible what happened but I can't stand when they purpously try to dramatize things even further. Some of those kids sounded like they were reading a script to make it even more dramatic.




Word
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

We have CNN on here in the office, and all morning, all they have been showing are these sappy, sorrowful images of people who seem to be relishing in walking around like brothers in arms, heads bowed, and patting each other on the back, telling each other "I'm soooo sorry".

Why does this have to be covered on TV it just makes us feel worse. I actually forgot it was 9/11 when I woke up this morning. This will be the last time I say this, today is a normal day and nothing more. Stop over exaggerating what has happened, I could accept it last year but now its too much.



Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

I agree with Matt D. I did not partake in the employee gathering at the flag pole (as many did at the various Harris buildings) to take part in the singing of the National Anthem, and of course I got crap for it. I did not observe a moment of silence. I'm not watching on T.V. what I saw for months and months 2 years ago. I will not forget what happened, but it is and has been time to move on. All those that lost their lives and lost family members and such have my deepest sympathy and respect, but I have moved on.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

"They are getting round the clock coverage on CNN."

Punctuated with commercials, no less. Its all a ratings game, and 9-11 memorabilia schlock can pack the viewers in.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

CNN the most trusted name in news my @$$!!!!


Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

I agree. People making a big fuss after one year was understandable, but if it's going to be like this every year then it's just too much... and I'm in the UK.. anybody would think it's America with all the '9/11' stuff.
That's an odd thing... 9/11 is 9th November here, but people keep saying 9/11 on TV... it's 11/9! Laugh out loud Big grin We're not in the US!

 Big thumbs up

Josh


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

I dont know. I disagree a bit with the "It was two years ago" take. For someone like me, who at age 20, is almost too young to remember the Cold War and Gulf War I, this is really a serious day for me. I dont think we should ever forget what happened on 9/11, nor should we ever forget about the thousands of innocent civilians killed.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Jcs. We should never forget, but we do not 24-7 coverage of it. We do not need to "celebrate" it. Fact is, it was 2 years ago. We have dealt with it, well most have, and most have moved on. There is no need or reason to dwell on this. Never forget...absolutely, but we do not need to all the media attention, this, that and the other thing.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2501 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

This is another way for CNN to make some $$$$$, as well as the other national news channels.

None of us will ever forget, just as those around the world that have endured similar tragedies will never forget.

However, I want to remember it in my own way. I did take time this morning to remember not only 9/11, but the troops that are currently in the middle east, but that was my decision to do that and to bastardize the process and "celebrate" it does not make sense.

Rgds,

Greg




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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1713 times:

I think each person should choose to remember however they wish, but I have to agree that it's being exploited by the media. My God, It's like Super Bowl Sunday (all day long) but in a somber and reverent mood.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineKaitakfan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1708 times:

I am with all of you on this. Having been apart of the United Airlines family for over 15 years we have known the victims of flight 175 and 93. It was horrible to see how bad my mom was emotionally hurt over losing co-workers. It was horrible that my dad had to relocate to Washington D.C. to be able to support his families life style when the economy went to hell in a hand basket. It was always hard to go back to New York City for a few occasions right after 9/11 to try and comprehend what happend in Lower Manhattan. A year later it was hard to focus. However two years later I am beyond it all. I will always remember how that day changed our lives. I will always remember the faces of Captain Victor Saracini and Captain Jason Dahl. But I will not let that day dictate me anymore and obligate me to focus my attention on such horrific events as CNN is attempting today. A true shame that many feel we have to hump the nightmare of 9/11 for all its worth even two years later.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 1680 times:

Don't watch,

Most of these people never even got a piece of a bone to burry, over the weekend they had the last funeral for a NYC Firefighter. They never found any piece of him, they buried a vial of his blood that he had donated shortly before 9-11.

If you have ever lost a loved one, like a child, parent in a traumatic incident it does not get easier. There's never closure or goodbye.

This year's event marking the date was less dramatic than last years, no Presidential visit, the Vice President was told to stay away.

Next year it will be a little less , and a little less.

But untill the last survivor/widower passes on there will always be people going to that spot on each September 11th to be where there loved ones were, they go there because that's where most people's loved ones remains are located. Their remains were crushed into dust, dust that covers the ground.

I thought the memorial was fitting, people outside the NY region get their coverage from local affiliates , CNN etc. The local NY affiliates, WNBC, WABC, WCBS had excellent coverage uniterupted by commercials, no interviews. Just the children reading the names and pictures of the people who's name they were reading were displayed.

During this time I noticed Philadelphia affiliates for ABC, NBC, CBS etc were showing regular programing. And CNN, MSNBC etc were doing interviews etc.

If you don't like their coverage fine, I thought the local affiliates in NYC did an excellent job, no commentary , no commercials, no interviews. Just pictures of the lost and their names being read aloud.




Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 1669 times:

Have some respect for others misfortune. Though it doesn't jive with your timeline for mourning, please don't equate this watershed event with CNN profitability. Show some decency, please.

It would seem for most people the significance of this tragic day diminishes the further one resides from ground zero. Though the vast majority in my area don't obsess over 9/11, it is still fresh in our minds. Perhaps the *get over it crowd* are jeolous more attention isn't lavished upon them on this date. Don't despair, tomorrow will come and you will once again be the center of our attention.



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 1663 times:

I'll agree. It's been two years but they make it to have happened yesterday. We all know what happened, we've seen all the videos, we've heard all the speaches. Just let it go. Rememberance is fine, paying homage is fine, but this over-dramatized digitally enhanced sorrowful garbage the news is playing has got to end. Never forget what happened, but don't drag it out either. Beating the 9-11 thing into the ground only demeans the true value of this day.

Today I wore a small ribbon on my bookbag and I reflected on what happened some. I feel like what I did was plenty to remember those we lost.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 1651 times:

I take a different perspective. I support the 9-11 remembrances for one reason:

It serves to remind those (mainly Muslim) Al-Qaeda sympathizers within the US that the US has not & will not forget what happened.

It was only because the US is an open society that encouraged Muslim immigration that enabled these 19 killers to walk undetected thru-out the US.

Make no mistake......there are THOUSANDS of sleeper cells with Al-Qaeda sympathizers in the US ready to pounce again. These 9-11 remembrances serve to remind those people that the US is still hurting....and watching.....



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 1642 times:

I couldn't agree more with you Matt D. Enough is enough, and it's way past time to "move on."

I am happy to say that I flew today too...not the airlines, but some awesome aerobatics over Massachusetts. 9/11 is just another day now...the grieving period is over.

Nick


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6432 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Don't we have memorials every Dec 7 for an event that happened 60 years ago?




Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

". We all know what happened, we've seen all the videos"

Thing is MILLIONS of people saw it with their own eyes, smelled it, lived it.

Including people who work for CNN, NBC, CBS, Foxnews all headquartered in NYC.

So of course the media and millions of people in the NYC, Washington DC area have more interest and connection to the events than those in California.

But understand that the people on the news are people too, people who were and still are effected by the event since most live in and around NYC and had know someone who died.

For instance..

Brian Williams who does CNBC, NBC Nightly News etc grew up in Middletown NJ, he went to the same Community College I went to, he was a fire fighter in Middletown. Middletown is 10 minutes from my town in the same county, Middletown lost over 50 residents.

Middletown NJ is not a large city, but a small bedroom community.

He knew people from his hometown killed, others who work for CBS, ABC etc experienced similar loss in towns like Ridgewood where many media members live where the loss was of a neighbor, a coach of a childs soccer team etc.

So I guess for folks outside the area they don't have connections and thus feel left out, for me I will never forget the night of September 11th 2001.

It was a perfect early September evening, all the windows were open. When I was starting to get ready for bed I noticed a strong overwhelming smell of smoke, I walked around my house and went outside to try and find the source of the smell.

I soon realized it was the smoke from the World Trade Center drifting 30 miles South to my neighborhood, it lingered for a couple days and had folks really upset.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

No matter how hard you try, you can't escape the tributes to 9/11. On TV, the internet, and even the radio. I can understand having the tributes, but do we really need to make the second anniversary of the attacks the top news story? The world isn't stopping, so why must we rehash the events of two years ago; they have been showing footage of 9/11 all day on CNN, Fox News, and even on the local news. Reshowing the footage does not help those that were traumatized by the events, it just reopens those wounds. We cannot forget what happened on that Tuesday morning two years ago, but we run the risk of cheapening the day by overly memorializing those who lost their lives.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Don't we have memorials every Dec 7 for an event that happened 60 years ago?

Yes, but does the news spend 4 hours showing us sappy overdone tapes of the attack? Do schools still have a minute of silence and the playing of taps? Do flags still fly at half staff all over the country? No. This is the kind of rememberance I advocate. Solemn, quiet, and in honor of those who died- not at their expense.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Personally, I believe that a company just north of New Orleans is assisting in one of the more fitting tributes to 9/11. A portion of the steel from the WTC has been shipped to a forge in Amite, LA, where it will be reformed to create the bow portion of a new warship that is being built.

As for December 7 yearly memorials, they get about as much play around here as does a Veterans Days memorial or similar. In other words, not a whole lot.

I agree with Matt. We'll never, ever forget. But we do move on.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Dec 7 was 62 years ago, news coverage (radio, newspapers) covered it extensively during and after the attack.

Pearl Harbor was the rallying cry for the Nation, thousands joined the Military right after Dec 7 to fight the Japanese.

Also one thing to keep in mind, those lost on Dec 7th were Sailors, soldiers etc.

Quite a big difference between that and 343 Firefighters, many police officers, EMS technicians, and normal people with normal jobs dying.

Sailors/soldiers and their ships and planes were made/trained to fight and possibly die, the people who died on 9-11 were going to work.

Ordinary folks, just trying to make their way in life.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

I do agree that the media goes way overboard. However, there is nothing wrong just to think about what happened (not all day, just for a short time) and observe a moment of silence. I did, but I'm not watching the TV coverage or dwelling on it.

-GD727



Mmmm forbidden donut.
25 Aloha717200 : I don't know if I agree or not....but 9/11 is a very important and still a very emotional day for me. I don't need to describe fully how much that inc
26 Cancidas : i agree matt, it is getting increasingly annoying that the media is dwelling on this. i lost freinds that day to, 71 to be exact. them repeating shit
27 Superfly : I have to agree with Matt D on this as well. How long do we need to relive this?
28 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : Matt D, I respect you greatly for having the balls to post this. I couldn't possibly agree more. Sure, we all feel sorry for the victims and their fam
29 Aloha717200 : You know, without meaning to offend, I find it funny how some people are quick to say that America murdered thousands of civilians in the Afghanistan
30 FDXmech : >>>I respect you greatly for having the balls to post this. I couldn't possibly agree more. Sure, we all feel sorry for the victims and their families
31 B747-437B : All rememberances are personal things. My memories of September 11, 2001 are far too personal and intense for me to need to watch some staged CNN dram
32 CaptainStabbin : Where is the sympathy for the dead Afghans killed by the Taliban? I see none. There never was any. Emirates, why didn't you protest their plight?
33 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : Aloha, Sure, they intended on killing only the Taliban. The truth is, more than only the Taliban were killed. As for the Iraqi conflict, its quite unc
34 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : FDXmech, You should be happy to know that I don't watch television. You're the one who needs to get a life. If saying "I respect you greatly for havin
35 CaptainStabbin : Like I said earlier, that doesn't excuse the matter. And what about all those innocent deaths under Saddam and the Taliban? Were they not just as awfu
36 Post contains images MxCtrlr : In my lifetime, I have seen Kennedy assassinated, the Apollo 1 fire, man walk on the moon, the Challenger explosion, 9/11 and the Columbia disaster. E
37 StarAC17 : September 11, 2003 is like any other day to me. September 11, 2001 was not. I don't need CNN or USA Today to remind me of that. Yes so will Sept 11, 0
38 FDXmech : >>>You should be happy to know that I don't watch television. You're the one who needs to get a life. If saying "I respect you greatly for having the
39 EmiratesA345 : Captain, Yes that was awful. That went on in their country and was stopped. For how long? You don't know. Either do I. What if the Taliban comes back?
40 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : FDXmech, Well then I hope you accept my apology, if one is even needed. I did write that so I figured it was directed at me. EmiratesA345
41 Alpha 1 : All I can say Matt D, is that people remember-and grieve-in all different ways and styles. If you do not wish to participate, that's cool, but, as wit
42 Positive rate : there's nothing wrong with observing a minute's silence. I don't think that's over the top.
43 777gk : Just to add my own personal point to STT757's words- I was flying on the 11th, we set down early in the day, but due to the events and how the potenti
44 Post contains images Jcs17 : ou say you want to forget the "thousands of innocent civilians killed". I sure hope you plan on remembering the "thousands of innocent civilians kille
45 Rolex01 : I sure hope you plan on remembering the "thousands of innocent civilians killed" as a form of payback in Afghanistan. Remember, not all who died were
46 Post contains images IloveBOI : "Even though 9-11 was a terrible, terrible shock, for Fox News and CNN, it's Christmas" -Mr. Cranky I BOI
47 Serge : "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana
48 Post contains images MxCtrlr : "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana No one is suggesting forgetting - that would be impossible - but it
49 Post contains images Serge : You can still remember what happened without reliving it every freaking year on and on and on... The forums on a.net relive the TWA 800 disaster every
50 Post contains images MxCtrlr : The forums on a.net relive the TWA 800 disaster every few months... Well that because aliens came down from space and caused a nuclear submarine to su
51 Dragon-wings : On our local news web site here in NY (WB 11 news at 10) they had a poll and the question was "Should 9/11 be declared a national holiday?" I don't re
52 IMissPiedmont : I read as far as I could. While I have little disagreement with what I read, I wonder about the point. I see a very large dose of false patrotism in t
53 SJC-Alien : Right-on Matt D, Thursday was the first day ever, that I turned off KGO 81 Newstalk because I couldn't stand to listen to the......... "Propaganda". T
54 Greg : I imagine two years is barely a blip to the victim's families--it probably seems like yesterday. But I'll agree--enough with the sappy memorials. The
55 FDXmech : >>>The smart ones in this column will know what I mean by that.
56 SJC-Alien : Tell us all what I mean then...................
57 QANTAS747-438 : Matt D--- I agree with you 100% on this. I was questioning to myself how I felt about the 9-11 tribute, but couldn't put it in words. But you said it
58 CanadianNorth : I dont mean to start any sorta wars, so whatever you do, remeber this is simply my opinion, and its nothing to get worked up about. The events of sept
59 FDXmech : But we must remember, In some places in the world things like this happen much much more often, so remember, this was 1 day. Just a taste of what some
60 777236ER : No, we didn't, and those that did die were not intentional targets and it is deeply unfortunate they lost their lives I'm sure it REALLY matters to th
61 MidnightMike : It will quiet down after some time, sooner or later it will become a private affair for those that lost somebody, until that time, load extra batteri
62 Paddy : I agree with much of what is being said. Although my greatest sympathies go out to those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, I do not feel that they a
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