Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7804 posts, RR: 54 Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
This story is from the Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's biggest broadsheet (and I would describe it as politically central, or maybe a fraction to the right of centre). It just really surprised me cos it makes the place sound far more dangerous than I thought, it's like a constant hail of RPG attacks, small arms and bombs. Not sure about the 8 dead reported in the first couple of paragraphs, I heard that 3 were killed today which is bad enough but not 8. Nonetheless, from this article, it sounds like full blown war, nothing less. I saw a piece on telly last night saying Iraq is having a mini-consumer boom cos everyone's buying stuff that was illegal under Saddam, namely satellite dishes and mobile phones, which sounded like a pretty good sign for a recovery. Now I'm reading about US proxies such as the new Iraqi police turning up outside the US-backed TV station with their throats cut. Hello? What the fuck's going on over there?
Heavy casualties in attack on US convoy
September 19, 2003
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US forces took heavy casualties in a series of attacks on an American convoy in the town of Khaldiyah, west of Baghdad, witnesses said.
According to an unconfirmed report by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, eight American soldiers were killed.
The witnesses said a bomb exploded under a vehicle that caught fire with about 10 US soldiers inside. The rest of the convoy was pelted with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) as it struggled to make its way to a nearby US base.
Local resident Mahmud Ali, 45, said he saw eight badly burned soldiers taken from the bombed vehicle, while Yussif Ali, 40, no relation, said he saw four. But there was no official confirmation of any deaths.
A deafening explosion was heard from the US base outside the town, where large stocks of munitions are stored. But there was no immediate word on the cause or the consequences.
Two Iraqi civilians were reported hurt in the attacks, witnesses said. But there was no word on how they were wounded.
The US military in Baghdad said it had no immediate report of the incident, which came amid a spate of attacks on US forces a day after a purported audiotaped message from Saddam Hussein exhorted Iraqis to continued resistance.
It also came with tensions high in the region, with US troops shooting dead a teenager late on Wednesday in Fallujah, 30 kilometres to the east, where they mistakenly killed nine Iraqi security men five days earlier.
Mahmud Ali said the convoy was hit while travelling through the town en route from Fallujah to Ramadi, two hotspot Sunni towns west of the capital.
"A bomb exploded under a troop transport. It caught fire. The remainder of the convoy tried to continue and was hit by rocket-propelled grenades 500 metres away," he said.
An American helicopter circled the area, apparently poised to evacuate the wounded but did not land, the witnesses said.
The Americans again cut off the road. Four or five vehicles continued on their way and came under more RPG fire four kilometres away, and another vehicle was set ablaze, said Yussif Ali.
The Americans sealed off the area and called in reinforcements.
In the northern city of Mosul, meanwhile, US troops continued to come under a series of grenade and rocket attacks that began shortly after midnight local time.
The US military confirmed one incident, saying that rockets hit the Civil Military Operations Centre office there late on Wednesday, damaging some vehicles and leaving two people slightly wounded.
A military spokesman also said a soldier of the 4th Infantry Division was wounded on Wednesday by a bomb in the town of Taji, 10 kilometres north of Baghdad. He did not give any details.
But Mosul residents reported a run of attacks that started shortly before midnight and targeted US troops at the entrance to the northern town, in front of a restaurant and at a hotel. They did not mention casualties.
The residents of Mosul, 400 kilometres north-west of Baghdad, said it was the first time they had seen such a spate of closely timed attacks on US forces since the Americans ousted Saddam in April.
They called the assaults a response to Wednesday's audiotape message.
A nine-vehicle US convoy was attacked with grenades and rockets about 11.30am at the southern entrance to Mosul, said local resident Mohammad Yunes, 45. He said US forces quickly sealed off the area and brought in reinforcements.
A short while earlier, attackers hurled a grenade at an American military vehicle stopped in front of a restaurant where some soldiers were eating near Mosul University, said Ibrahim Taqqa, an engineer. He sad US troops quickly surrounded the university.
Attackers using grenades and rocket-propelled grenades targeted a local hotel used by American troops shortly before midnight, staff at the hotel told AFP. They said some rooms were destroyed but provided no further details.
Two Iraqi policemen were found dead, their throats slit, on the sidewalk in front of the local US-supported television station around midnight, according to an employee of the station, Samir Abed Rabbo, 50.
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CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4434 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited. 3 deaths are not trivial by any stretch of the imagination, but in this global war on terrorism servicemen and women are in harms way every day.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16110 posts, RR: 57 Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
And we could talk about "sources" that American papers have used-you know, the ones who were given the tip-offs to the WMD's during the war, that, to date, no one has found.
It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility. There are no such American newspaper credibility issues.
Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2091 times:
It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility.
Gee, you could be very well talking about FOX. After all, one of their own employees the other day admitted that they were basically "foot soldiers for Bush." So that's the pot calling the kettle black, Yyz717. FOX is a walking example of rah-rah news in the U.S. Pretty hard to critisize other outlets for doing the same thing in their country.
CX747. You can keep the Euros. I wouldn't give 2 Euros for your thoughs on the issue. In fact, it seems you have none, just empty, useless rhetoric.
Galaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
You guys crack me up, you know this death toll crap that the news is overinflating and turning Iraq into a slaughter ground is so far fetched, its unbelievable. Losing any troops is a tragic thing but lets put it in perspective, in Vietnam we were losing a dozen if not hundreds per day, how about Korea maybe a hundred or two a day, WWII thousands of US personel were being killed. Also we lose more soldiers in large training excercises per year than we have lost in Iraq (pssst it just doesnt get reported as much ) you know, its not as sensational. But i dont here you guys screaming and crying over those guys. You guys just have your silly little Bush bashing agenda and will use this as some reason to bash this administration. And i know i know i'm just a "Blind ignorant Bush supporting robot who has know free thought of my own, im just preaching the party line, Im just a Clinton hater" or my favorite " I'm just a complete moron, who blindly follows Bush and the republican party blah blah blah" (thats somewhat what Alpha or Sebolina will state) to that effect.
"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
Don't be silly. There is a HUGE difference between being the censored mouthpiece for some Arab dictatorship vs having a freely chosen pro-Bush editorial stance as does FOX.
Why is there a difference? FOX deliberately bends things to the GOP party line-they don't need censorship to do that, do they? You can scream about a "censored mouthpiece" all you want, but when FOX's main anchor in the off-year elections tells you, on the air that FOX had a big hand in the GOP Congressional wins, censorship doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot!
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
Great Post Galaxy5.
Yes, what a GREAT post, L-188. Nothing of value in there, just whining, like you are, because someone dares to critisize this almost God-like President we have, right. Stop trivializing the deaths of our servicemen. They've died in a war that shouldn't have been fought, and that has no exit strategy. And you think Bush deserves RESPECT for this, L-188? God, you're lost, brutha.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
And Alpha, don't ever accuse me of trivializing the servicemen that have died again. I will lose my temper. I used to be one of those guys and no, I haven't forgotten.
I don't give a shit if you lose your temper, L-188. I lost my temper when this dishonorable man sent those guys into a war they shouldn't have been asked to fight. You trivialize it by comparing it to traffic deaths. And you trivialize it simply to kiss this mans butt. Go ahead, lose your temper. I lose mine when EVERY DAY I have to read about another young man who won't come home because of this "honorable" president.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
When you speak of dishonorable men, I am positive you speak of Saddam.
He's not the dishonorable man who started this war, L-188. George W. Bush, this supposedly "good Christian", is the dishonorable man I'm talking about. He has no honor in him whatsoever. Now, lose your temper. I really don't give a damn.