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Is It Really This Bad In Iraq? 8 US Dead Today?  
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

This story is from the Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's biggest broadsheet (and I would describe it as politically central, or maybe a fraction to the right of centre). It just really surprised me cos it makes the place sound far more dangerous than I thought, it's like a constant hail of RPG attacks, small arms and bombs. Not sure about the 8 dead reported in the first couple of paragraphs, I heard that 3 were killed today which is bad enough but not 8. Nonetheless, from this article, it sounds like full blown war, nothing less. I saw a piece on telly last night saying Iraq is having a mini-consumer boom cos everyone's buying stuff that was illegal under Saddam, namely satellite dishes and mobile phones, which sounded like a pretty good sign for a recovery. Now I'm reading about US proxies such as the new Iraqi police turning up outside the US-backed TV station with their throats cut. Hello? What the fuck's going on over there?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/18/1063625160267.html

Heavy casualties in attack on US convoy
September 19, 2003
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US forces took heavy casualties in a series of attacks on an American convoy in the town of Khaldiyah, west of Baghdad, witnesses said.

According to an unconfirmed report by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, eight American soldiers were killed.

The witnesses said a bomb exploded under a vehicle that caught fire with about 10 US soldiers inside. The rest of the convoy was pelted with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) as it struggled to make its way to a nearby US base.

Local resident Mahmud Ali, 45, said he saw eight badly burned soldiers taken from the bombed vehicle, while Yussif Ali, 40, no relation, said he saw four. But there was no official confirmation of any deaths.

A deafening explosion was heard from the US base outside the town, where large stocks of munitions are stored. But there was no immediate word on the cause or the consequences.

Two Iraqi civilians were reported hurt in the attacks, witnesses said. But there was no word on how they were wounded.

The US military in Baghdad said it had no immediate report of the incident, which came amid a spate of attacks on US forces a day after a purported audiotaped message from Saddam Hussein exhorted Iraqis to continued resistance.

It also came with tensions high in the region, with US troops shooting dead a teenager late on Wednesday in Fallujah, 30 kilometres to the east, where they mistakenly killed nine Iraqi security men five days earlier.

Mahmud Ali said the convoy was hit while travelling through the town en route from Fallujah to Ramadi, two hotspot Sunni towns west of the capital.

"A bomb exploded under a troop transport. It caught fire. The remainder of the convoy tried to continue and was hit by rocket-propelled grenades 500 metres away," he said.

An American helicopter circled the area, apparently poised to evacuate the wounded but did not land, the witnesses said.

The Americans again cut off the road. Four or five vehicles continued on their way and came under more RPG fire four kilometres away, and another vehicle was set ablaze, said Yussif Ali.

The Americans sealed off the area and called in reinforcements.

In the northern city of Mosul, meanwhile, US troops continued to come under a series of grenade and rocket attacks that began shortly after midnight local time.

The US military confirmed one incident, saying that rockets hit the Civil Military Operations Centre office there late on Wednesday, damaging some vehicles and leaving two people slightly wounded.

A military spokesman also said a soldier of the 4th Infantry Division was wounded on Wednesday by a bomb in the town of Taji, 10 kilometres north of Baghdad. He did not give any details.

But Mosul residents reported a run of attacks that started shortly before midnight and targeted US troops at the entrance to the northern town, in front of a restaurant and at a hotel. They did not mention casualties.

The residents of Mosul, 400 kilometres north-west of Baghdad, said it was the first time they had seen such a spate of closely timed attacks on US forces since the Americans ousted Saddam in April.

They called the assaults a response to Wednesday's audiotape message.

A nine-vehicle US convoy was attacked with grenades and rockets about 11.30am at the southern entrance to Mosul, said local resident Mohammad Yunes, 45. He said US forces quickly sealed off the area and brought in reinforcements.

A short while earlier, attackers hurled a grenade at an American military vehicle stopped in front of a restaurant where some soldiers were eating near Mosul University, said Ibrahim Taqqa, an engineer. He sad US troops quickly surrounded the university.

Attackers using grenades and rocket-propelled grenades targeted a local hotel used by American troops shortly before midnight, staff at the hotel told AFP. They said some rooms were destroyed but provided no further details.

Two Iraqi policemen were found dead, their throats slit, on the sidewalk in front of the local US-supported television station around midnight, according to an employee of the station, Samir Abed Rabbo, 50.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

CNN is reporting three.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

your source is an Arab newspaper

Whoa. Australia turned Arab.... who knew!


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Three deaths isn't exactly great either  Sad


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Ummm you might want to actually read the second sentence of the story.....


According to an unconfirmed report by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, eight American soldiers were killed.

Doesn't sound like an Aussie source to me.


But of course I suppose even in Sydney dramatics mean higher newspaper sales.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Doesn't sound like an Aussie source to me.

"Al-Arabiya Television" doesn't sound much like a newspaper to me either!  Big grin


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

*chuckle*



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Cedarjet, your source is an Arab newspaper.....They make the National Enquirer look factual.

Another attempt to minimize the daily toll going on in Iraq, I see. So, L-188, are you saying it wasn't such a bad day because only 3 got killed?

And we could talk about "sources" that American papers have used-you know, the ones who were given the tip-offs to the WMD's during the war, that, to date, no one has found.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited. 3 deaths are not trivial by any stretch of the imagination, but in this global war on terrorism servicemen and women are in harms way every day.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

And we could talk about "sources" that American papers have used-you know, the ones who were given the tip-offs to the WMD's during the war, that, to date, no one has found.

It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility. There are no such American newspaper credibility issues.

Thanks for chiming in Alpha 1. Your 2 euros are deposited.

*laughing*





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

It's realistic that this Arab newspaper is a partial (if not full) mouthpiece for whatever government funds it or allows it to publish, which raises the issue of credibility.

Gee, you could be very well talking about FOX. After all, one of their own employees the other day admitted that they were basically "foot soldiers for Bush." So that's the pot calling the kettle black, Yyz717. FOX is a walking example of rah-rah news in the U.S. Pretty hard to critisize other outlets for doing the same thing in their country.

CX747. You can keep the Euros. I wouldn't give 2 Euros for your thoughs on the issue. In fact, it seems you have none, just empty, useless rhetoric.



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

No I didn't say it wasn't a bad day.

But there is more to the story about what happened.

You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening.

Doing that wouldn't sell papers or ad time.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening.

Except for that "fair and balanced" FOX, of course, who will tell you everthing is just fine, because Bush is in charge. They'll tell you the good things that AREN'T happening.  Smile


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Gee, you could be very well talking about FOX. After all, one of their own employees the other day admitted that they were basically "foot soldiers for Bush."

Don't be silly. There is a HUGE difference between being the censored mouthpiece for some Arab dictatorship vs having a freely chosen pro-Bush editorial stance as does FOX.

it seems you have none, just empty, useless rhetoric.

Oh brother Alpha....as opposed to your non-rhetoric right????  Insane







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Actually I belive that it was Christina Ammananpour(spl?) that made the comments about Fox and the Bush adminstration the other day, and how they coluded to control CNN's coverage.

Which begs the question? How could FOX control CNN.

Besides, I'll have to look for the study, but it turns out that CBS not FOX had the most pro-war coverage....ABC was the most anti-war in the US.

Just came out a couple of days ago......It was on the radio.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

You guys crack me up, you know this death toll crap that the news is overinflating and turning Iraq into a slaughter ground is so far fetched, its unbelievable. Losing any troops is a tragic thing but lets put it in perspective, in Vietnam we were losing a dozen if not hundreds per day, how about Korea maybe a hundred or two a day, WWII thousands of US personel were being killed. Also we lose more soldiers in large training excercises per year than we have lost in Iraq (pssst it just doesnt get reported as much ) you know, its not as sensational. But i dont here you guys screaming and crying over those guys. You guys just have your silly little Bush bashing agenda and will use this as some reason to bash this administration. And i know i know i'm just a "Blind ignorant Bush supporting robot who has know free thought of my own, im just preaching the party line, Im just a Clinton hater" or my favorite " I'm just a complete moron, who blindly follows Bush and the republican party blah blah blah" (thats somewhat what Alpha or Sebolina will state) to that effect.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

death toll crap

Speaks for itself.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Don't be silly. There is a HUGE difference between being the censored mouthpiece for some Arab dictatorship vs having a freely chosen pro-Bush editorial stance as does FOX.

Why is there a difference? FOX deliberately bends things to the GOP party line-they don't need censorship to do that, do they? You can scream about a "censored mouthpiece" all you want, but when FOX's main anchor in the off-year elections tells you, on the air that FOX had a big hand in the GOP Congressional wins, censorship doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot!


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Great Post Galaxy5.

When I first went into the service, oh ten years ago, I remember being told that fewer US troops died during Desert Sheild then would have died in traffic accidents or at home during the same period.

I have no reason to believe that currently it is any different.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Great Post Galaxy5.

Yes, what a GREAT post, L-188. Nothing of value in there, just whining, like you are, because someone dares to critisize this almost God-like President we have, right. Stop trivializing the deaths of our servicemen. They've died in a war that shouldn't have been fought, and that has no exit strategy. And you think Bush deserves RESPECT for this, L-188? God, you're lost, brutha.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Galaxy brought up a point I had forgotten about.

That is why I mentioned it was a great post.

And Alpha, don't ever accuse me of trivializing the servicemen that have died again. I will lose my temper. I used to be one of those guys and no, I haven't forgotten



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

And Alpha, don't ever accuse me of trivializing the servicemen that have died again. I will lose my temper. I used to be one of those guys and no, I haven't forgotten.

I don't give a shit if you lose your temper, L-188. I lost my temper when this dishonorable man sent those guys into a war they shouldn't have been asked to fight. You trivialize it by comparing it to traffic deaths. And you trivialize it simply to kiss this mans butt. Go ahead, lose your temper. I lose mine when EVERY DAY I have to read about another young man who won't come home because of this "honorable" president.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

When you speak of dishonorable men, I am positive you speak of Saddam.




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

When you speak of dishonorable men, I am positive you speak of Saddam.

He's not the dishonorable man who started this war, L-188. George W. Bush, this supposedly "good Christian", is the dishonorable man I'm talking about. He has no honor in him whatsoever. Now, lose your temper. I really don't give a damn.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

No, I am pretty sure Saddam started this war........

BTW...This was didn't start this spring.

It started say 12 years earlier.



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25 Alpha 1 : No, I am pretty sure Saddam started this war........ Now you're just a lair, L-188. Did Saddam cross into Kuwiat that we don't know about? Did he laun
26 L-188 : As opposed to being a willful detractor, which is apparently more hip? The war started in 1991, they took a break off and on again for 12 years while
27 Post contains images Yyz717 : FOX deliberately bends things to the GOP party line-they don't need censorship to do that, do they? Don't be silly Alpha. It's simply called editorial
28 Alpha 1 : As opposed to being a willful detractor, which is apparently more hip? I'm not into blindly following a leader, simply because of his ideology, L-188.
29 L-188 : Not having WMD's was only part of it. He also need to have the international community VERIFY that he didn't have any. That he did not allow to happen
30 LoneStarMike : You could argue that Saddam started the war by being a regional tyrant who became a reasonable threat to the US with his defiance of UN sanctions.But
31 Alpha 1 : Not having WMD's was only part of it. Blind apologists like you just fail to see-and remember (it's that amnesia going around again), that Bush made W
32 N6376m : Instead of us debating based on speculation, let's turn the UN's very own reports to discuss WMD. I'm citing these excerpts directly from the website
33 Yyz717 : It's called ass-kissing. It's simply covered by "editorial freedom." Good Alpha, you're making progress. You have now accepted the right of FOX to fre
34 777236ER : Alpha, you've got quite a double standard going on there. You claim to care about the 175 US soldiers who were killed in Iraq.....I think those deaths
35 Yyz717 : It has to be worrying when a Canadian likes the American president more than an American. Worrying for who 777236ER? Rabid anti-Americans such as your
36 777236ER : What? I'm not a "rabid anti-American" idiot. Posting complete and utter nonsense such as that should just prove to anyone reading this thread how moro
37 Post contains images Yyz717 : If you like and defend the US this much, why are you living in Canada? Simple. I'm Canadian. I have the freedom to admire and support the US President
38 777236ER : Simple. I'm Canadian. I have the freedom to admire and support the US President if I so choose. Why does that offend you? It doesn't offend me, it jus
39 David b. : Since he is in Canada, his opinions don't matter a bit.
40 Yyz717 : it just seems strange to me that you'll defend the US to a point where a lot of American on here don't. Then that shows how little you know about Cana
41 777236ER : Then that shows how little you know about Canada & our close economic & social relationship with the US. Me finding it odd that you defend America whe
42 Post contains images Yyz717 : Me finding it odd that you defend America where Americans do not shows im ignorant about your economic and social relationship Correct. It shows you'r
43 777236ER : which makes a significant proportion of Canadians very pro-American. Including me. There's nothing wrong with being pro-American, but aren't there lim
44 Yyz717 : There's nothing wrong with being pro-American, but aren't there limits? So, you're suggesting there should be limits for how much non-Americans should
45 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : "You know the news outlets don't publicise the good things that are happening." What are the good things, about a war? EmiratesA345
46 Cptkrell : Well, at least Cedarjet's topic title appropriately included a question mark "....8 US Dead Today ?". That, of course, has not helped the following co
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