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What Do U Think About The Bush Administration?  
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Ok I have read quite a few good political posts that deal with the Bush administrations actions in the recent weeks and I have seen posts that agree with the administration and many that also disagree. I am asking if you agree with the policies and the administration and for those who disagree, why do you disagree and what would you do better?

I personally believe that the administration intentionally deceived a confused nation from the aftermath of 9/11 for their personal gain in taking over Iraq without international support which has backboard on them and now they are asking of help from other nations for the resources to get order in Iraq. I also believe that from the fear of the American people the administration is the greatest threat to American people and not the terrorists in the Middle East. I am not an American so my understanding may be different from Americans so I really want to hear what people from all over have to say.


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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

I don't care for it much... But I am amazed by how much people from other countries follow American politics ?


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I'm trying to look for something positive accomplished by this administration. But I can't. Either one of three possibilities.

First, I'm so anti-Bush that I can't see anything right.
Second, he did something right but I just don't know about it.
Third, Bush did nothing right.

Let's look at major issues so that you see where I'm coming from.
Healthcare: a mess; no reform in sight.
Education: a mess (latest OECD report, released two days ago, is quite clear about that); no reform in sight.
Economy: does not look very good. Budget deficit at record height.
Energy: he fixed nothing, so far. US more dependent on oil than ever.
Environment: a mess (did not sign Kyoto).
Foreign affairs: a mess; he angered some of US best allies; respect for the US, world wide, is at an all time low.
Justice: major threats on civil liberties within the US, refuses to support the International Penal Tribunal.
Military affairs: from an American perspective, okay. From any other perspective, scary and unsustainable.

Come to think of it, I can think of one good thing: the ousting of the Talibans in Afghanistan. But they seem to be regrouping these days and heroin traffic in Afghanistan is higher than ever.

How about a Clark-Dean ticket to replace Bush-Cheney?



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1569 times:

The poor guy got the world against him because of his family name and on the other hand I look back on the Clinton years and think how people whined about his bonking, now the got some real reasons for whining....


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1567 times:

Qb001, Excellent post dude... I wonder who Bush will blame for all this ??? The republicans have had complete control of the government and all they have to show for it is Iraq ??? I would like a Dean-Clark ticket to replace Bush-Cheney.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1557 times:

I first realized Bush would have a problem with international politics and diplomacy when the spy plane made an emergency landing in China. While I sincerely believe it was the Chinese fighter pilot's fault that ultimately led to his death and the crippling of the US plane, the Bush administration quickly adopted it's cold war rhetoric to the situation. I don't believe we should have apologized, but I feel they had no knowledge of Chinese mentality on the situation. Chinese culture, and Asian culture in general is a culture of saving face. China is basically the last great, and dying communist superpower. I don't think the administration took that into consideration.

I thought the current administration handled 9/11 very well, but ever since 9/11, the goals of this administration have become clouded. It's almost as if they have too much on their plate at the moment and are confused as to how they are going to resolve our current situation. I think this confusion has lead the administration to shell out propaganda and lies to it's citizens in order to maintain the support of the people. I think the administration has outright lied to it's citizens, and they continue to do so everyday.

UAL747


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1553 times:

Since 1441 passed, it's no secret that I think they've acted in complete dishonor. They've misled the people on the war in Iraq; they've tried, unsuccessfully to silence criticism of themselves, and things like this fascist Patriot Act; they have bullied and browbeat even allies becuase they didn't agree with them.

It's been a sad year.

I'm waiting for the Bush-tush kissers to show up. Give them time.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1545 times:

Since 1441 passed, it's no secret that I think they've acted in complete dishonor. They've misled the people on the war in Iraq; they've tried, unsuccessfully to silence criticism of themselves, and things like this fascist Patriot Act; they have bullied and browbeat even allies because they didn't agree with them.

Alpha 1:

I'm a canuck, if you or anyone who reads this can explain what 1441 is as well as the patriot act because I know little to nothing about either



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1539 times:

Let's look at major issues so that you see where I'm coming from.
Healthcare: a mess; no reform in sight.
Education: a mess (latest OECD report, released two days ago, is quite clear about that); no reform in sight.
Economy: does not look very good. Budget deficit at record height.
Energy: he fixed nothing, so far. US more dependent on oil than ever.
Environment: a mess (did not sign Kyoto).
Foreign affairs: a mess; he angered some of US best allies; respect for the US, world wide, is at an all time low.
Justice: major threats on civil liberties within the US, refuses to support the International Penal Tribunal.
Military affairs: from an American perspective, okay. From any other perspective, scary and unsustainable.


Good points and I give him a 2/3 chance of being re-elected in 2004 with all these problems. If Bush is there till 08 I believe Colin Powell the only non neo-con of the bunch will not be the secretary of state or have any part with the admin.



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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1537 times:

1441 is the UN resolution that pushed for more inspections in Iraq in search of WMD.

Read it all here.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Qb001,

You don't happen to have a link for that OECD education report you mentioned would you? I heard about it from a friend and I'm curious how Canada did  Big grin

Kris



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Actually not signing the fundamentally flawed Kyoto treaty was an excellent move.

Energy wise, I wish he would push more for opening the 1020 area of Alaska. Does anybody remember about a year ago when he pushed for that money for alternative energy research.....It doesn't appear many do. Well he did.

Not supporting the kangaroo court known as the International War crimes tribunial was also a good move. The court was/is destined to become a wipping post for every two bit thug with an imaginary grevience against the US.

Healthcare, the reforms I would like to see are not part of either major parties platform, so I am not surprised to see those ideas not implimented. Routine care and checkups should be paid by the person, not the insurance company. You don't make the insurace company pay to change the oil on your car, just to fix the major damage. Your health care should be the same way.

Economy, Is doing better then the major media is reporting. Growth has been slower then some would like, but slow growth builds a strong economy, rapid growth is a balloon that must burst, see the Clinton Economy.

Education, Again neither party seems willing to abolish the Department of Education. I am not a big fan of the standardized tests. But he did increase funding to schools in a big way.

Military Affairs, It must really be nice to have a commander in chief that not only respects the military but treats them openly with respect.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

The W years were a real success:

- Big unemployement
- Big economical crisis
- Big crisis at the UN.
- A useless and illegal war
- Soon to come: even greater pollution in the US. Why should we pollute less while we could pollute more ?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Wait until Galaxy5 and Jcs17 see this post, and then things will get interesting  Big grin

My opinion? I dont have one.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Economy, Is doing better then the major media is reporting.

No, it's not, L-188, and that's why it's getting the coverage it is. It's NOT doing that wel. It's doing "better" than it was, but it's still sluggish, and we're still losing manufacturing jobs at a bad clip. Just today, Ford announced they will close a suburban Cleveland plant. Say sayonara to about 1000 jobs there. So much for the good economy.

Education, Again neither party seems willing to abolish the Department of Education.

Which will do absolutely nothing at improving education. Until the Bush Administration stops trying to push vouchers on people, and commit to really IMPROVING pubilc education instead of trying to cut it off at the balls, nothing wll get better. Besides, Bush is too busy making the government bigger-positively liberal of him-to worry about abolishing any departments.

Military Affairs, It must really be nice to have a commander in chief that not only respects the military but treats them openly with respect.

It must be REALLY nice, L-188 to have a C-in-C who sends you off to wars that shouldn't have been fought; sending you to a war where you're a target every day, 6 months after the war supposedly is over; sends you to a war that he didn't have a fucking clue what to do after the war; sends you to a war where there's no one to replace you even though you've been there forever. Yes, it's nice to have respect for someone like that. And, if they truly respect Bush, I wonder about the mental aptitude of our soldiers in that case.

Wait until Galaxy5 and Jcs17 see this post, and then things will get interesting..

That's OK. L-188 has already done his part to obfuscate the real Bush reacord. Listening to him, you'd think this country was just rolling along at a great clip. Almost as misleading as how Bush got us into the war.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Alpha, Did I do something to harm you or what?

Could you imagine the savings if all of those fatcats at DOEd got the boot and their budgets where assigned as block grants to the states?

That is some major money.

You do realize that the markets are at their highs for a year?

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/18/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?cnn=yes

The LEI (Leading Economic Indicator) has been up the past four Months. That totals to about 2.5% since the March low.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/18/news/economy/lei/index.htm

And just checking the 7 economic indicators....for what they have been trending on the CNN website...

Consumer confidence Rebounding Growth
Retail sales Weak Growth
Leading economic indicators Rebounding growth Manufacturing Activity Rebounding Growth
Industrial Production Tepid Rebound
Unemployment Rate Weak growth
Consumer Price Index Disinflation Risk

What do you know, 3 of the 7 are predicting rebounding growth, one tepid (I translate warm) growth and two weak.

Sounds like we are heading uphill to me.

Oh and jobless claims where 10,000 less then what was predicted.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Alpha, Did I do something to harm you or what?

Not at all, but I find your blind excuses for this man very amusing. Sad, but amusing.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

They aren't my blind excuses.

All those figures I pulled off, came from the CNN/Money website.

You just have to read past the headlines and look at the data.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

All those figures I pulled off, came from the CNN/Money website.

You're not a very good Republican, L-188, if you have to turn to CNN. You should be quoting that "fair and balanced" FOX network. Shame on you. Take away your party card.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Not a chance.

If I did that then you would just write off those numbers, despite the fact they came from the same higher source, because Fox put them up.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Whatever. You want us to think everything is just rosy. It's not. We have a war we can't get out of; we have an economy bleeding manufaturing jobs (I mean we've only lost 2.7 million since Bush got into office). But it's fine, Bush is the right hand of God, and we should just trust him.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

We can't afford to get out of that war.

That I agree with in the philisophical sense. If we don't stick around until the region stablizes all we will have done is great another Afghaistan, Circa 1993

But apparently unlike many registered democrats I along with a lot of republicans picked up on that.



As far as bleeding manufacturing jobs, You do realize that we are switching rapidly from a manufacturing based economy to an information and service based one right. Of course there will be job loss in manufacturing.

But don't fret, it has happened before. In the 1880s the country switched from a farm/agricultural based economy to a manufacuring based one. Guess what happened then, oddly enough a lot of jobs where lost on......gasp.....farms!

We survived this paradiam shift in our economy back then, we will survie it today.

Besides if you noted in my earlier post, The economic indicator for Manufacturing Activity is listed as Rebounding.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

You don't happen to have a link for that OECD education report you mentioned would you? I heard about it from a friend and I'm curious how Canada did

I don't have a direct link to the report. From the OECD website, you have to pay or register as a journalist to get it.

Canada is ranked 5th in the world, trailing Japan, South Korea, New Zealand and Finland. By comparison, American students were rated 14th, 15th and 19th in science, reading and math respectively; that's the middle of the pack among studied countries.

Read more about it here.

[Edited 2003-09-19 14:47:47]


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

We can't afford to get out of that war.

You don't get it, do you? We shouldn't have gotten into the God damned thing in the first place. That's the problem.

That I agree with in the philisophical sense. If we don't stick around until the region stablizes all we will have done is great another Afghaistan, Circa 1993

The region has never been stable, and the deaths of some fine young Americans isn't going to change that fact.

As far as bleeding manufacturing jobs, You do realize that we are switching rapidly from a manufacturing based economy to an information and service based one right. Of course there will be job loss in manufacturing.

Sure, then there can be a bigger gap between the have's and have-nots, just like the GOP has always wanted! Never mind that we're destroying livelihoods, it's good for the shareholders!


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

You right, that region hasn't been stable. So lets shoot crap and stablize it.

Those people deserve to be more then a write off and thanks to the US removing Saddam, they now have a chance to be more then they where.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
25 Alpha 1 : You right, that region hasn't been stable. So lets shoot crap and stablize it. You think-really think-this war will stabalize that nation? What are yo
26 N6376m : Sauce, Their you go again - instead of addressing the statistics that L-188 cited, you made an issue of the fact that he pulled them off the CNN websi
27 Post contains images 727LOVER : What Do U Think About The Bush Administration? Here's a little poem to sum up my feelings: LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON FOUR YEARS, & YOU'RE DONE.
28 Aviatortj : It aught to be interesting to see who comes to the table in 04. I think we were doing okay until about June. Once the Patriot Act came along, I lost a
29 MidnightMike : Now that the fiasco in the Middle East is settling down, such as there are no more bombs being dropped, Bush can now start paying attention to domest
30 StarAC17 : Tax cuts are good for all Americans. Theoretically a tax cut like Bush's is supposed to be beneficial to create jobs because the rich people who own t
31 Post contains images VonRichtofen : "Sauce, Their you go again - instead of addressing the statistics that L-188 cited, you made an issue of the fact that he pulled them off the CNN webs
32 Erj190 : Just a small note to Dc10guy. I am amazed that you are amazed about the importance other countries give to US policy. I am sure you really don't both
33 Lstc : The sooner the elections come and you guys have a chance to dump Bush, the sooner you can get on with rebuilding your great country.
34 L-188 : LSTC Sorry you are about 180 degrees out of phase on that one. Bush is restoring this country to the respect level that it deserves.
35 Lstc : I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree L-188.
36 Yyz717 : The sooner the elections come and you guys have a chance to dump Bush, the sooner you can get on with rebuilding your great country. There is a good c
37 Nwcoflyer : Qb001, Education: a mess (latest OECD report, released two days ago, is quite clear about that); no reform in sight. I have to disagree with you there
38 Lstc : I think one of the biggest Bush legacies will be the poor international relations that he has developed with his foreign policy. I think the popularit
39 Alpha 1 : Bush is restoring this country to the respect level that it deserves. It takes killing off American soldiers and Iraqi's, L-188, and invading a foreig
40 StarAC17 : But then again, I guess killing off 200 American servicemen, and not telling the truth about how the war started, is so much more "honorable" then get
41 David b. : There is a good chance he will be re-elected. Let's hope so. A strong America means a strong Canada. Canada is like a leech. We will be better without
42 StarAC17 : Canda is like a leech. We will be better without them. I don't think so, the United States needs Canada probably just as much as Canada needs the US,
43 David b. : Besides trade, which I will give them credit for, what else do they do for us?
44 Sccutler : snip: Let's look at major issues so that you see where I'm coming from. Healthcare: a mess; no reform in sight. There is no rational reason to believe
45 Lstc : Canada is like a leech. We will be better without them. Besides trade, which I will give them credit for, what else do they do for us? It is obvious y
46 IHadAPheo : "Canada is like a leech. We will be better without them. Besides trade, which I will give them credit for, what else do they do for us?" Canada is fa
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