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Islamic Chaplain Is Charged As Spy  
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Just in case certain people here don't notice, I took the topic name from the title of the article.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030919-105619-9614r.htm

If he is found guilty, lets hope he gets the penalty that a traitor deserves.


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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Islam is the enemy ... We don't want to admit it but its true.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

Have you already sentenced him in your mind, B757300, because he's Muslim? And would you be so harsh on him if he were, say a Baptist Minister?

I think I know the answer to that one, you being the fair-minded guy (not) that you are.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Well, if the charges bear out then he deserves to hang. Last time I checked, treason was a capitol offense, not life in prison.

It will be interesting to see in the court case what led the government to him.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

It will be interesting to see in the court case what led the government to him.

Knowing the paranoia within this country right now, and within the military and Administration since 9/11, I'd say his faith.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Now, Now Now Alpha.

Lets not be paranoid about government conspiracies here.

You aren't Fox Mulder.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Government conspiracies? No. Government paranoia? Absolutely.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Government conspiracies? No. Government paranoia? Absolutely

Rather than just spewing emotional rhetoric Alpha 1, do you actually have a solution?

He could be a spy, on the other hand he may not be a spy. Wouldn't you rather have an investigation (ie: Why would an American move to Syria and study Islam for years, sounds a bit odd to me), so you could rest assure that he isn't a terrorist? And no I'm not just saying this because he's a Muslim, not all Muslims are terrorists.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 997 times:

And when's the last time a Baptist pastor was accused of being a spy?

It's a good thing the situation's not reversed, because in a court overseen by an Islamic cleric, in, let's say, Saudi Arabia...do you really think a Christian or *gasp* a Jew would get fair treatment?


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 983 times:

I don't think a Muslim can get a fair shake in this country right now, MD-90. Under the climate of intolerance that the present Administration has led in creating in this country? Sorry, but I just don't think it's possible.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 982 times:

What's your solution Alpha 1? Let him go without an investigation or anything, just because he's a Muslim?


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 979 times:

My solution is for people to stop being so damned paranoid. Even money, nothing comes of this, and it will have been wasted time and will only have cast more suspicion on individuals who didn't deserve it.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 982 times:

If guilty, Capt. Yee is a strange and scary one. I am worried if al-Qaeda was able to recruit a West Point graduate.

Alpha 1,

Your accusation against the Bush Administration on this count is baseless. There is no real evidence to suggest systematic bias against Muslims by the federal government. That nearly 100% of al-Qaeda and its business associates are Muslim is not the government's fault.



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Amazing, all of you go from the starting point that he's probably guilty. Proves my point.

And don't make me laugh with your "baseless" claim, N79969. This Administration has built of a climate of distrust, suspicion and hate towards the Islamic community. If that isn't true, then explain all these young Muslim men who are still being held without charge under this "Patriot" Act?


User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 965 times:

In every situation people start with the idea the they're probably guilty. Heck, we all thought OJ was probably guilty. In fact for better or worse when we hear on the news that the police/authorities took the time to arrest the person and prepare for a trial we think they're probably guilty. If the jury trial exonerates them then we're ok with that for the most part. But I would hope that those in a jury room put away their prejudices prior to finding guilt or innocence and start with the assumption of not guilty. The reason that is so revolutionary is exactly because it is so very much against our normal human response.

And when I hear that a catholic preist is accused of molesting young boys I assume he is guilty as well, even if I don't know him. But the current spring of terrorism flows almost exclusively from radical Islam. As N79969 so rightly put it, this is not the governments fault.


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 963 times:

My solution is for people to stop being so damned paranoid. Even money, nothing comes of this, and it will have been wasted time and will only have cast more suspicion on individuals who didn't deserve it.

Then why did the "chaplain", whose job is to provide spiritual counseling for those who need it and nothing else, have some unauthorized documents on him? Does he carry them around for fun? And are you Alpha 1, comfortable with someone like roaming around in your country FREE?



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Oh please Alpha1, there isn't a conspiracy inside the government against Muslims. As N79969 said, it isn't Bush's fault that almost all the terrorists we're dealing with are Muslim.

But then again, I can't be correct. I guess that white sheet you think I wear must be blocking my view.

[Edited 2003-09-22 02:35:06]


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Oh please Alpha1, there isn't a conspiracy inside the government that is against Muslims.

Mr. Republican, show me where I said conspiracy? A mindset, or a paranoia? Absolutely. There was no real conspiracy when one of your all-time heroes, Joe McCarthy started his witchunts in the 50's, but it triggered a mindset among many that there was a communist behind every door. Same is true in this instance: there's now a built-in, natural suspision, among the government, and among many individuals of anything Arab or anything Muslim. It's partly human nature, but it's also partly the way things have been handled since 9/11.

But then again, I can't be correct. I guess that white sheet you think I wear must be blocking my view.

I don't think it blocks your view, but it certainly warps it to a point where you're so far gone in neoconservatism that you can't see straight anymore.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Alpha 1,

Laugh away. Your allegation is baseless. It seems that you are more intent finding another issue to attack the President more than discussing Capt. Yee.

Don't you think that some Muslims have generated the distrust, suspicion, and hate that now surrounds their community?

If you stop and think about it at all, I think that suspicion surrounding Muslims and Muslim institutions was inevitable given 9/11 and the following 24 months. Excluding 9/11 you have: the Lackawanna 6- U.S. born Muslims involved with al-Qaeda, John Walker Lindh fighting with the Taliban, the grenade attack by a Muslim U.S. solider, and numerous Islamic "charities" acting as probable money launderers for terrorist organizations. Now we have a U.S. Army captain under arrest.

Taken together, I think it is reasonable to have some suspicion of the true feelings of Muslims towards this country. What is extremely unfortunate is that there are certainly some very patriotic American Muslims who are tarred by the actions of their co-religionists.



[Edited 2003-09-22 02:41:38]

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 951 times:

there's now a built-in, natural suspision, among the government, and among many individuals of anything Arab or anything Muslim.

And so there should be after 9-11. Last time I checked, it was 19 Arab Muslim men that killed those 2800 Americans.




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 944 times:

Laugh away.

I just looked through the thread, bright boy. I don't recall any laughing by me on this thread. And if you think you have ESP on the matter-you don't.

It seems that you are more intent finding another issue to attack the President more than discussing Capt. Yee.

It seems you and other right leaning nuts are more interested in finding a boogie man at every corner, even where they don't exist.

Taken together, I think it is reasonable to have some suspicion of the true feelings of Muslims towards this country.

ALL Muslims, everywhere? That's exactly what I'm talking about. A healthy concern is fine, but you're backing up exactly what I alluded to-you thing EVERYONE who is Muslim and Arab should be suspected of something. I don't. You start from the premise that they MIGHT be guilty by virtue of their faith. I don't.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 941 times:

you thing EVERYONE who is Muslim and Arab should be suspected of something. I don't. You start from the premise that they MIGHT be guilty by virtue of their faith. I don't.

If you think those 19 Arab Muslim men who caused 9-11 were somehow isolated and no one else knew what they were planning, you are very naive. An attack of that magnitude would have required the coordination & support of hundreds of fellow Muslim Arabs in the US. All but the 19 are still alive and likely still in the US.

The sheer scale of that attack I think is reasonable cause for suspicion of all alien Arab Muslim men 18-40 in the US.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 944 times:

Alpha 1:

"And don't make me laugh with your "baseless" claim, N79969."

Short-term memory loss?

How about not calling people nuts and accusing us of paranoia. Bottom line a man was arrested apparently because he had documents that he did not need.

By your assessment, the FBI and military were just itching to get a Muslim and picked up this officer and threw him in jail, sound about right?

I certainly did not say that every Arab or Muslim is suspect. You are fabricating ideas, imputing them to me and others, and then attempting to claim the moral high ground.

I suppose that as a non law enforcement professional, you know the right of amount of "healthy concern" we should have as a country. I certainly don't know the answer to this question but why don't you enlighten us.

Should the FBI have patted Capt. Yee on the back, shook his hand, and sent him on his way? Should they put a quota on the number of Muslims they arrest in order to avoid exceeding the limits of "healthy concern"?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 927 times:

From what I have gathered from the news today, was that this guy was caught be customs, not the US Military with stuff he wasn't supposed to have, such as plans of the camp facilities, when he was reentering the country.


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 904 times:

I believe that the United States has the most fairest and just body of law in the world. I have faith in the judicial system to provide a trial, a jury if requested, access to counsel, an impartial judge, etc.

25 Marco : Alpha 1, please try to address the issue, what do you want the government to do with such a man? Set him free because he's a Muslim? He may (or may no
26 Bobrayner : I believe that the United States has the most fairest and just body of law in the world. I have faith in the judicial system to provide a trial, a jur
27 Post contains images Marco : However - how many of the guantanamo bay inmates have been tried (or even charged with a crime), been given access to a lawyer, &c &c? Maybe we should
28 Bobrayner : Maybe we should also thank them for 9/11? Give them four wives and a mansion in the process? So... because terrorism is Really Bad, any requirement fo
29 Marco : Sure, lock them up if they're terrorists. However, their current status is "enemy combatants", which is seemingly the Bush administration's unilateral
30 Bobrayner : What do you think these men (lots of which aren't even from Afghanistan) were doing with the Taliban in Afghanistan? Playing Monopoly? I don't know, a
31 Marco : There's a pretty high chance that any non-Afghani running around with a regime that supported terrorists IS a terrorist. Also, you're assuming that th
32 Bobrayner : There's a pretty high chance that any non-Afghani running around with a regime that supported terrorists IS a terrorist. I'm having difficulty with th
33 B747-437B : Suppose the USA had invaded at the time - would I have been a terrorist by default? Should I have been locked up indefinitely without charges No. You
34 Marco : I'm having difficulty with this point. If a country's government supports X, and a person goes to that country, then they support X too? If the countr
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