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Are You Pro-life Or Pro-choice?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6562 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

And if you are pro-life, what about in the case of rape?

And for those in America:
Should it be federally outlawed or should it be a state issue?
And if it becomes a state issue, should it be voted on in the legislature, or on a referendum by the voters?

Me? I really don't know LEGALLY where I stand, but I can't understand why a woman can't carry for 9 months and then give it up for adoption? But I will also admit that I think TOO many people are so concerned about having their own kids-legacy, I guess- and don't even consider adoption. I think it is very hypocritical to be pro-life and to NOT adopt.

Just my 2 cents.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

I am definitely pro-choice, given the correct circumstances/situation. However, Abortion, in my opinion, should not be utilized as a measure of birth control; I have no sympathy for those who are so ignorant as to neglect the usage of condoms and other birth control methods. Besides, as a man, how can I possibly begin to understand the emotional and physical trauma suffered by a woman when she is sexually assaulted? (example).

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Pro-choice. I believe that it is perfectly fine to have an abortion in a case of rape or sexual assault. Also, if the carriage/birth of the baby potentially endangers the mothers or the babies life, an abortion should be in order as well.


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8224 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Neither. I am morally opposed to abortion and do not approve of it in almost all circumstances. Millions of couples are unable to have children and as a result, all unwanted children should ideally be carried to term and given up for adoption. That said, I am fundamentally opposed to government regulating a woman's actions on the matter. It is a woman's choice to make a morally defunct decision.


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Personally, I am strongly anti-abortion. I got my girlfriend pregnant many years ago, and we decided on an abortion - for a number of reasons, which seemed important as hell back then but now seem so petty. I have been racked by remorse ever since then, and so has she (she is now my wife). I wish we could make that decision over, but of course, we can't, and we will never know the child that could have been.

However, I cannot bring myself to say that abortion should be outlawed. Not everybody has the same beliefs, and some people may well have very good reasons to do it - I am in no place to judge. But I pray that they will think very hard about the decision that may bring them as much pain as it has brought my wife and I, and to consider the adoption route carefully.

So put me down as reluctantly pro-choice.

Charles


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Lean towards pro-choice.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Pro-Life! That's a human life in there and the only time I'd accept sacraficing it was to save the mother. Otherwise I don't care if it doesn't look like you yet, the child inside still has a soul and is meant to live...


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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Tell that to a young girl or a woman who has been beaten and raped, N766UA.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Ok, know of any?

It's called adoption, use it.



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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

You know, with an ignorant response like that, I now understand why so many women I know feel when they say they do not want to hear a male opinion or input re this topic.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Because it's true?

Rape is a horrible thing, but how is murder any better? Any woman that's been raped should realize that mercy is in short supply on this Earth, and it's about time someone showed it. Why waste a life?



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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Pro-choice, up to 24 weeks. But I'd never want my wife to have an abortion if she gets pregnant. In our case that would be pure selfishness;we can easily afford a third kid.

But I don't judge those who choose abortion; what a horrible experience it must be.



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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

If this is the kind of response from someone who stems from the lower end of the human foodchain, then I bow out of this discussion.

For the record, if I were a woman, and impregnated by a rapist, you bet your bible thumping right-winged extremist hypocritical ass I'd be the first one at the door of the nearest reputable abortion clinic.


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Note: My response above was meant for the response above that posted by
QB001.


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

QB001, I concur with your statement. And hopefully there are many intelligent women/men and couples out there who are educated on effective birth-control methods.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Lower end of the human foodchain? Because I have values and I stick by them?


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Having values is one thing, trying to impose them on others is a completely different story! In your words, you are saying that a women that chooses abortion is somehow lacking in values? Or is a lower form of human being?

I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I think that abortion is horrible and feel bad for any women that goes through that experience. With that said, it is not the governments decision on what a women does to her body.

Sorry, could not stay on the sidelines on this one!

BTW, my cousin was raped and murdered as an 18 year old college student in Chicago, so yes, I know of one!

Rgds,

Greg



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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

N677UA, your profile says you are between 16 and 20 years old. That is not to say you are not entitled to your opinions, nor does your age negate any input you have to a discussion. However, you remember your words when, in the future, your wife, sister, daughter, niece, or female friend is brutally raped
and impregnated (there is no such thing as a non-brutal rape) and you, a male, sit them down and explain to them that there is "no mercy on this earth"; that they must suffer and carry the rapists child to full term. Tell them that, as you look into their eyes and fail to see the horrific violation and trauma they are suffering. Then again, perhaps they won't be listening to you at that point, as after all, you'll then be "one of them" - a male.


User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Canadi>nBoy,
With all due respect, just because N766UA has a different opinion on the issue, he is "from the lower end of the human foodchain"??

This is the most charged political issue of the 20th century; his viewpoint is equally as important as your own. Just because you don't like what you hear, doesn't mean he is right or wrong.


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

pro life?.....pro choice?......how about prophilactic!

In the case of rape......let the victim decide, plain and simple.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

I fail to see why anyone with a penis should have the final, notice I said final say in whether a women should have an abortion

Rgds,

Greg

Canadi>nBoy, welcome to my respected users list.



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Overall, pro life. But I would not want to see it banned. I am totally opposed to abortion as a birth control measure - get the freaking tubes tied if you can't remember to take a birth control pill or are too lazy to head down to the clinic to get a depo provera shot, or if you're too stupid to demand a condom be worn. And I am adamantly opposed to the use of any tax dollars to provide for abortions, again, because most if not all of the above mentioned birth control methods are available free of charge from your local health clinic.

But there ARE situations when an abortioin is necessary -particularly in the case of anacephalic or microcephalic babies...the baby is going to be born dead because the only thing keeping it living is it's mother's body. With no brain, the child will not survive the first few hours after childbirth. Wy subject the mother (and father) to that kind of suffering?


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

777fan, I am sincerely so very sorry to hear about your cousin. And you are so right, I cannot imagine what a choice it would be for any female to decide to abort. It must be absolutely horrendous.

You know, I truly believe it when I hear women I know say that abortion is an area/topic where no man should ever tread. I agree and disagree with that, as thankfully there are quite a few men who, while not being able to empathize (of course) with a woman on this sensitive topic, can easily utilize their intelligence and see the logical/rational reality of it.


User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

It is a difficult topic to discuss. I prefer no to tell anything because I do not want to hurt anybody, even only with words.
Kilavoud.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

I despise abortion, however it would not be beneficial to pass laws outlawing it. I would agree to a comprimise, however. I think there should be a law saying that abortions should be illegal after the first trimester. 3 months is plenty of time to make a decision as to whether one will keep the baby or not.

25 Canadi>nBoy : "Canadi>nBoy, With all due respect, just because N766UA has a different opinion on the issue, he is "from the lower end of the human foodchain"??" I s
26 777fan : To all, this topic is extremely sensitive, in regards to the comments above, opinions are perfectly fine, as long as they are just that. They cease to
27 JAL777 : I'm pro-choice: Keep your panties/boxers on or keep your panties/boxers off. Unless you had no choice in the above, then you already made your choice.
28 Superfly : Pro-Choice. It's none of my business what a woman decides to do with her own body.
29 N766UA : I'm not saying that women who choose abortion are somehow a "lower life form" as you said, but rather that they should reconsider their action. Why is
30 Jessman : For the record my mother expresses nearly exactly the same sentiment as N766UA. This is not just a male opinion. In fact I have heard her defend the a
31 Seb146 : The option should be there, but as stated above, if someone is not intelligent enough to use a condom/pill/patch they should carry the child and give
32 777fan : Jessman, I agree, if there are men pressuring women to have abortions, and I am sure there are, they should have kept their dicks in their pants in th
33 Post contains images Superfly : Why can't people just mind there own f--king business!
34 N766UA : With regard to what Jessman said, I don't support clinic bombers or other radicals like that. That's totally rediculous. I'm completely against aborti
35 JAL777 : Why can't people just mind there own f--king business! Where does one draw the link of "minding their own business?" Would you considering slicing the
36 Post contains images 777fan : Superfly, You summed it up in one line.......!!!!! I will say that it is fairly amazing that this sensitive of a topic has not degenerated like other
37 777fan : No, that would not be my business, it would be the business of the local police force, the family of the victim, as tragic as it would be, no it would
38 Post contains images Superfly : JAL777: Figure it out.
39 JAL777 : The "why don't people mind their own businesss" attitude is the same one used throughout the Arab world in relation to the mistreatment of women (kill
40 777fan : Not to be harsh, but it is their business not mine. Once again, as tragic as it is, I have my own issues to worry about! If I spent all my time worryi
41 JAL777 : I am not saying "my personal business" but as society... it is our business. As society, it is our business to take care of it. With that said... you
42 David b. : Maybe we should take their advice. If you don't know them, then it is "none of your business".
43 777fan : This is actually a good discussion! From society's point, maybe yes, but not from a governmental point! That is where I think I disagree most is where
44 Aaron747 : Exactly. Just because I am against abortion doesn't mean I grant my government the right to impost my view on all women. That's the principle here.
45 Superfly : JAL777: Eggs? What about bullets? Abortion maybe an ugly nasty procedure but that's just the nature of operations. Doctor’s visits and surgeries are
46 Jessman : When I said men in their lives I did not necessarily mean boyfreinds/husbands although they are definately the majority in this case. Many young singl
47 Post contains images 777fan : Superfly, well said Signing off until tomorrow! Rgds, Greg
48 B757300 : I'm Pro-life. Maybe in a very rare circumstance I might say it is necessary but that would require very unique circumstances. As for it being a state
49 Post contains images Superfly : Jessman: At that point even if I did not fulfill my emotional needs I would have fulfilled my spiritual and moral convictions. So on that note, keep y
50 Jhooper : I believe abortion is murder, so you know where I stand. Who are we to draw the line between what is a human baby is and what it isn't?
51 Jessman : Superfly; I don't pretend to know what goes through anyone's mind when they take a human life. I believe all levels of sin separate us from God. I als
52 BOAC : Small point here Guys, how many of you are women, this is not something men should be laying down the las on. We are in the 21st Century for goodness
53 MidnightMike : I am Pro-choice, though I really do not believe in abortion very much, I just believe it is the woman's body and it is her choice.
54 Alpha 1 : 1. I am pro-life, if that's the term we must use. I am against abortion except in cases of rape, incest or when the woman's life is in jeopardy. As fa
55 Jcs17 : No opinion. Well, not really. I dont believe that abortions should occur after the child's brain can be defined (I dont know the exact trimester). On
56 Teva : I am Pro Life. That's why I am Pro Choice. Life is choice. Every woman has to have the choice. I can understand that some people, for religious or phi
57 777fan : I refer back to one of my earlier posts. I fail to see why anyone with a penis should have the final judgement on whether a women should or should not
58 Canadi>nBoy : "I refer back to one of my earlier posts. I fail to see why anyone with a penis should have the final judgement on whether a women should or should no
59 BR715-A1-30 : I believe in the case of rape, you should have a choice. But if you get knocked up while f***ing your boyfriend just for fun, then I believe you shoul
60 N766UA : On a second point how many of the anti campaigners here also supported the war in Iraq - or does the lives lost in the conflict somehow count differen
61 GD727 : I'm Pro-life, except for cases of rape. But like BR715-A1-30 stated, I believe if the woman gets pregnant because she and her boyfriend decide to have
62 Bobrayner : I believe you should not get a choice And your decision overrides hers?
63 Sleekjet : Alpha1 nailed it. Thanks for saying it better than I could.
64 NDSchu777 : Boy, I knew when I saw this topic it would turn into a very heated debate... I am Pro-Life. An unborn child is a human being, and it deserves the most
65 Dc10guy : Superfly... I like the way you think. #1 Does anyone think its strange that a bunch of guys are debating what is legal for a woman to do with her body
66 Yyz717 : An unborn child is a human being Only to the pro-lifers. Those of us who are pro-choice don't see it that way. Because there is no consensus on when a
67 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Those of us who are pro-choice don't see it that way. You? Mr. Canadian Conservative? PRO-CHOICE? B757300, it's your duty to throw him out of the He-M
68 Yyz717 : Yes Alpha. Abortion in Canada does not fall along ideological lines, nor does it in any Western countries other than the US. Canadians have wide open
69 Dc10guy : And I also think that the Pro-life religious right is pro-life to keep woman subservient to men, not because of any feelings towards the "fetus" Its a
70 Post contains images NDSchu777 : the Pro-life religious right is pro-life to keep woman subservient to men I forgot that anyone religious has ulterior motives in everything they do an
71 N6376m : Alpha1 & 76M Agree Twice in One Week! Alpha1 I whole heartedly agree with your post (reply 54). To me this is purely an issue of states rights. The tw
72 BOAC : Perhaps in retrospect suggesting abortion and Iraq were linked (except that is not quite what I was tring to do) was not right. What I was trying to g
73 N6376m : BOAC writes "I still believe those of us who have dangly bits between our legs have no say in this matter anyway." Does this mean that individuals or
74 Ryanb741 : I think the difficulty is defining at which point a ball of cells becomes a child. We just don't know, but 24 weeks is too late IMHO. I would be pro-a
75 Pilothica737 : Hey guys! Long time no talk to! Anyway, I am deffinately pro-choice, but at the same time, I am violently oposed to those that use abortion as a means
76 Superfly : Pilothica737: Finally a female has weighed in on this topic.
77 777fan : Yea, and it only took 75 posts to get this topic away from a sausage fest! Thanks for the honest feedback Pilothica737! I wish more females would weig
78 Sophiemaltese : I'm pro choice ...
79 Yyz717 : I wish more females would weigh in on this topic! There are MANY pro-life women who would LOVE to take away the option of abortion for their fellow wo
80 BOAC : Of course that is not what I was saying N6376m - the fact is that this discussion, by the very nature of it, is hypothetical. If and when anyone faces
81 N6376m : Boac - I absolutely agree with your clarification but that's not what you originally said. -76M
82 Dasa : Pro-choice. In my opinion, a fetus is not a person.
83 N6376m : Dasa - Since you raised it, when, in your opinion, does a fetus become a person? Only at delivery? How about partial birth abortion? If you stab a mot
84 Canadi>nBoy : "There are MANY pro-life women who would LOVE to take away the option of abortion for their fellow women (and force them to live through the horror of
85 777fan : Yyz717, To clarify, I meant weigh in on this thread, not abortion in general. Sorry for the confusion! Rgds, Greg
86 Tom in NO : Most definitely, pro-life, except when the health of the mother is in serious question. Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Tom at MSY
87 Banco : Certain people believe meat is murder. Most people do not. Lots of people believe abortion is murder. Lots of others do not. This is an extraordinaril
88 Yyz717 : Good point Banco. Banning abortions will only increase illegal abortions in unsanitary conditions. There is a need for abortion in a modern secular so
89 Post contains images Kilavoud : The conception of human life we may have can contribute to our final decision in this matter. Is a six months old baby of less value than a six years
90 Bobrayner : The conception of human life we may have can contribute to our final decision in this matter. Is a six months old baby of less value than a six years
91 Post contains images Lehpron : "Are You Pro-life Or Pro-choice? " God, that is such a biased question, I hate it, and how can anyone answer it without thinking about it? I'm both. I
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