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Gen. Clark's Book: How Bush Led Us Astray In Iraq  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

The Clark Critique

Exclusive: In an excerpt from his new book, the ex-general argues that Bush is leading us astray in the war on terror

By Gen. Wesley K. Clark
for NEWSWEEK

Sept. 29, 2003 issue

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IN THE AFTERMATH of the attacks of September 11, many in the Bush administration seemed most focused on a prospective move against Iraq. This was the old idea of “state sponsorship”—even though there was no evidence of Iraqi sponsorship of 9/11 whatsoever—and the opportunity to “roll it all up.” I could imagine the arguments. War to unseat Saddam Hussein promised concrete, visible action.

I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, and one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan. So, I thought, this is what they mean when they talk about “draining the swamp.” It was evidence of the Cold War approach: Terrorism must have a “state sponsor,” and it would be much more effective to attack a state than to chase after individuals, nebulous organizations, and shadowy associations.

He said it with reproach—with disbelief, almost—at the breadth of the vision. I moved the conversation away, for this was not something I wanted to hear. And it was not something I wanted to see moving forward, either.

What a mistake! I reflected—as though the terrorism were simply coming from these states. Well, that might be true for Iran, which still supported Hezbollah, and Syria, complicit in aiding Hamas and Hezbollah. But neither Hezbollah nor Hamas were targeting Americans. Why not build international power against Al Qaeda? But if we prioritized the threat against us from any state, surely Iran was at the top of the list, with ongoing chemical and biological warfare programs, clear nuclear aspirations, and an organized, global terrorist arm.

And what about the real sources of terrorists—U.S. allies in the region like Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia? Wasn’t it the repressive policies of the first, and the corruption and poverty of the second, that were generating many of the angry young men who became terrorists? And what of the radical ideology and direct funding spewing from Saudi Arabia? Wasn’t that what was holding the radical Islamic movement together? What about our NATO allies, whose cities were being used as staging bases and planning headquarters? Why weren’t we putting greater effort into broader preventive measures?

The way to beat terrorists was to take away their popular support. Target their leaders individually, demonstrate their powerlessness, roll up the organizations from the bottom. I thought it would be better to drive them back into one or two states that had given them support, and then focus our efforts there.

And if we wanted to go after states supporting terrorism, why not first go to the United Nations, present the evidence against Al Qaeda, set up a tribunal for prosecuting international terrorism? Why not develop resolutions that would give our counterterrorist efforts the greater force of international law and gain for us more powerful leverage against any state that might support terrorists, then use international law and backed by the evidence to rope in the always nuanced Europeans that still kept open trade with Iran and the others?

I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned. I hoped the officer was wrong, or that whoever was pushing this would amend his approach.

That did not happen. After the president delivered his 2002 State of the Union address, the policy was locked in concrete. There were no obvious connections between Iraq, Iran, and North Korea—President Bush’s “axis of evil”—beyond the suspicion that they each harbored ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. In fact, in proliferation terms, by early 2002 both Iran and North Korea were greater threats compared to Iraq. The president’s use of the term “evil” was also perplexing to many Europeans. Europeans, living on the same continent, were pragmatic, not ideological, in outlook, seeking survival, democracy, and prosperity. The “axis of evil” label seemed to foreshadow a religious-inspired campaign against sovereign states, something that could not only wreck international commerce but also pose domestic problems in European states with large Islamic populations.

And so, barely six months into the war on terror, the direction seemed set. In Afghanistan and later in Iraq, the United States would strike, using its military superiority; it would enlarge the problem, using the strikes on 9/11 to address the larger Middle East concerns; it would attempt to make the strongest case possible in favor of its course, regardless of the nuances of the intelligence; and it would dissipate the huge outpouring of goodwill and sympathy it had received in September 2001 by going it largely alone. And just as the Bush administration suggested, it could last for years.


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From “Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the American Empire.” c 2003 by General Wesley K. Clark. Reprinted by arrangement with Public Affairs, a member of the Perseus Books Group.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Geeze, maybe I'm a bit suspect, but after reading and listening to Clark's praise of not only President Bush, but his administration's actions and contemplated actions after 9-11, and now this tome (conveniently, and, evidently quickly written on the dawn of his candidacy decision) of opposite opinion seems to smack of the now popular sport of rewriting history for political-only purposes. I think I am becoming less enthusiastic about the retired general as each day passes (and, hell, it's only been a couple of weeks!)...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

This continually comes up, particularly via the Drudge report.

Key point: Iraq and 9/11 are not dependent variables. Criticism of handling Iraq and wholesale disapproval of the administration or its staffers are not dependent variables. And so on and so forth. I suppose Bill O'Reilly is playing a political game in lieu of his criticism of some Bush actions during the Iraqi campaign as well? Let's be consistent.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

I just find it amazing that so many of these people have the talent and the time to write a book.  Confused

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Yes, me too, JAL777. Particularly amazing that the retired general has spent the last eight days drafting the "saviour" economic plan for the country. He must, indeed, work very fast.

And, Aaron747, I DO find a parallel, in thinking at least, with 9-11 and post 9-11. Correctly or incorrectly, Saddam was another in the line-up of the usual suspects to be at least investigated. I believe my thoughts were (are) consistent, and I issued my comments about Clark's statements not from being influenced by Drudge. Believe it or not, I have never bothered to access his site, and I watch O'Reilly only occassionally...my comments were from my original, but perhaps small, amount of grey cells I have left. I simply see a very convenient rewrite of history by candidates hoping that even if flip-flops are recognized, they will be disregarded or forgotten by the populace as the next "issue" becomes d'jour...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Please define for us the precise terms and context of this so-called historical rewrite.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4453 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

I have only one thing to say:

General Clark just won my vote.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

I was referring to Clark's recanting and modifying his previous statements to fit the current perspective; in that context I admit that "rewriting history" is a bit overboard. It was simply rewriting what he said before. And, in that context, I guess you could argue that I am rewriting history....errrr, rewriting what I previously said....Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

I have only one thing to say:

General Clark just won my vote.


Then you're obviously very easily swayed. I suggest you learn more about Clark other than what you find in a liberal hack publication like Newsweak.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1301 times:

B757300, that stuff coming from somone who wouldn't critisize Satan or Hitler, if they said they were Republicans, is pretty amusing. I don't think you have any room to chastize anyone for being easily swayed.

User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

I don't think Gen."Butcher of Belgrade" Clarke is going to get my vote.

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