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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

It looks like Pope John Paul II's health is getting worse and worse, and they may need a new Pope any time now. The innauguration of a new Pope will definately be an event with probably the only thing coming close to it would be the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in the 1950s.

I wonder what kind of Pope they will try to get in and where they will be from, I think the last few have all been from Europe.

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
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I really hope that John Paul II rest peacefully when the time comes. He will be rembered as a one of the most influential people this last century.

The new Pope will need to feel in some mighty big shoes, and hopefully will continue with the change and renewal John Paul II started in the Catholic Church. Change that will need to happen if the Catholic Church want to remain relevant. I do think however, that the change should be slow but constant.

My prayers are indeed with him and his succesor




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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Don't count John Paul II out just yet. His body is increasingly frail, but from what I have read, his mind is still very sharp. I agree with the comment above that he is one of the great leaders of the 20th century. His successor could come from Latin America or even Africa. And there is no doubt that someday he will be sainted.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

I hope the best for the Pope.




Did you know that me and Pope John Paul II have the same birthday? (May 18th)



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

He will be rembered as a one of the most influential people this last century.

Perhaps in Catholic circles. He's meaningless to most Protestants, Jews, etc.





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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
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"Perhaps in Catholic circles. He's meaningless to most Protestants, Jews, etc. "

True.. But good person is good in any religion, and that should not stop people from dmiring and having respect for someone outside their religion, like Mother Theresa.

BTW, he is credited for being a driving force behind the collapse of communism. (I dont know how true it is or not)



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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Next pope will be Heinrich Larsen but who cares we got the queen!

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
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I too have thought about this overthe years. He is a great person who has influenced many people Catholic or otherwise. (You don't have to bo Catholic to appreciate another's thoughts  Insane)

In fact, I put PJP II right up there with George Carlin... MEANING... I respect them both. They both have a lot of GOOD things to say and say them in COMPLETELY different ways.

Of all the Popes, he has had a love of empathy. And a lot of love towards children of all walks of life. (I say that in lieu of the fact that some smart alec here will probably post about priests and kids  Insane That is not what I am talking about.)

PJP II genuine paid attention to the world's children. Too many times they are put by the wayside.

He's not gone yet but I will lament his departure whence it comes.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Do I remember well when telling the following?

John Paul II is of Polish origin.

John Paul II is the first non-Italian (or non-Vatican) Pope ever.

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Yyz717: He's meaningless to most Protestants, Jews, etc.

Not so. They always respected the Pope for his deeds for improving conditions for mankind. Even if they don't recognize him as supreme head of their church.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

John Paul II is the first non-Italian (or non-Vatican) Pope ever.

No he's not. He's the first non-Italian in like 400 years but there have been others.

I really hope they get a Pope from South America or Africa this time.


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

He's getting a bit dull in his old age.
We need another Hildebrand, to shake things up a bit  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

What good Protestant people like the pope? If you ask me they should make the queen pope dissolve Catholics into good Protestants and that solve sectarianism and the tims can get a real true icon and leader in the queen I mean it is goods religion and the anthem is GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

Is it relay a surprise he liked kids all prests do dint you no that its in the job description between brainwashing tims to hate Protestants for no good reason and spread terrifying propaganda.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

All the pope ever did for me was ride around in a glass car, how is that influential? Sorry guys but he means little to me, though his death would never be a good thing...


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

His refusal to budge on ordaining women (sexism), his refusal to apologize for the RC church's treatment of Jews in WW2 (anti-semitism), his coverup & lack of accountability of the vast child abuse scandals in North America (immoral/illegal), and his socially irresponsible positions on birth control, make it VERY diffcult for me to respect this man.




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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

His refusal to budge on ordaining women (sexism), his refusal to apologize for the RC church's treatment of Jews in WW2 (anti-semitism), his coverup & lack of accountability of the vast child abuse scandals in North America (immoral/illegal), and his socially irresponsible positions on birth control, make it VERY diffcult for me to respect this man.

By and large, I agree. But, anti-semitism was wide spread in the Western world (how many Jews asked for refuge in the USA in the late 30s and early 40s and were denied entry, even though it was known that the massacre had begun?). And, also, JPII did play a significant role in tearing down the communist regimes in Eastern Europe.



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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

As a protestant, he means nothing to me. Some people worship this guy like he is a God himself, and I think it's wrong. But in my faith, there is no hierarchy, there is only the Holy Trinity. It was fun to visit the Vatican, but fun is where it ended.

Nice way to get a stab in there about the US huh, Qb001?

UAL747

[Edited 2003-10-03 02:03:59]

User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8149 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

I, like many Catholics, have mixed feelings about the papacy in general. While I don't agree with many of this pontiff's lifelong positions, his anti-war efforts and criticisms of US policy have been noteworthy.

That said, he's just a man, influential or not.



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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Nice way to get a stab in there about the US huh, Qb001?

Canada also refused a lot of Jews refugees at that time.

During the years when the Nazis were in power in Germany (and immediately afterwards), Canadian immigration policy was actively anti-Semitic, with the result that Canada’s record for accepting Jews fleeing the Holocaust is among the worst in the Western world. Canadian policy towards Jewish refugees was summed up in the words of one official: "None is too many".

http://www.web.net/~ccr/antiracrep.htm#II.%20HISTORICAL%20BACKGROUND%20TO%20DISCRIMINATION%20IN

Happy?



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
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There was a reason why I typed:

(I say that in lieu of the fact that some smart alec here will probably post about priests and kids That is not what I am talking about.)


Amazing how I know some behaviors here  Insane incorrigible.

yyz, I agree with you on his positions on ordaining women + birth control. Heck, I am a proud Pro Choice, pro lady priest, pro "let the priests marry" Catholic.

But I recently read the opposite re: Jews in WWII.

IIRC, he also OKed evolution as a belief in that faith.




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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
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"ordaining women (sexism)"

I said before, change of something so big an important should come sloooowly but steadily. As a catholic I'm pro gay marriage, pro women priest ect.. but I would have been very pissed off if all of these issues would have been changed all at once. Changing alll at once would have solved nothing. I hope that they will change eventually.

"OKed evolution as a belief in that faith"

See eventually things change. Copernicus was pardoned (quite late). I belive the JP is more "modern" that many protestant churches.



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User currently offlineLstc From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

I think its inappropriate and short sighted to say the Pope is meaningless to non-Catholics.

Is George Bush meaningless to other world political leaders? Hmmm....bad example.

Is Israel irrelevent to countries who adopt so-called "christian" values? Are blacks irrelevant to whites? Are dogs irrelevant to cats?

I think such statments display a degree of resentment and intolerance. I'm not saying I'm condemning someone for hating a particular religion, just trying to understand the basis for such strong language when it comes to one of the major "meaningful" relgious leaders in the world.

By the way, the church isn't really part of my life so I'm not waving the banner for the Pope, but I wouldn't fool myself to think that political leaders (Catholic and otherwise) ,Protestants and members of other Catholic spin-offs consider the Pope irrelevant. Certainly not the majority anyway.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

I said before, change of something so big an important should come sloooowly but steadily. As a catholic I'm pro gay marriage, pro women priest ect.. but I would have been very pissed off if all of these issues would have been changed all at once. Changing alll at once would have solved nothing. I hope that they will change eventually.

What about RC women that want to become priests? How long SHOULD they wait? A lifetime? Or give it up altogether?

The Civil Rights progress in the US happened all at once in the 60's......would you have preferred that happen at a slower pace (by the same argument)?

What is your timeframe for "change eventually"?





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User currently offlineRA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

A New Pope?

Well, yes good idea...it is not a question of ' IF' but ' WHEN'

Pope JP II's successor should preferably be a YOUNGER one: sometimes Vatican City seems just like the old Soviet or Chinese government.. Big thumbs up

As to the Pope's successor: I have my opionion about the Pope's ideas on issues like AIDS/condoms etc, but thats another story...we'll see who will be the next Pope, but for now the current one is still alive so.....

rgrds
Martijn






User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Pope JP II's successor should preferably be a YOUNGER one

Actually a lot of the popes critics claim that they want an older pope, one that won't have a quarter century to make policy.




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User currently offlineRA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

L-188:

I get your point Smile Big thumbs up..but actually the 'younger' I mentioned more referred to the Pope's physical health; he can be old, thats no problem, lots of experience etc...but he should be/stay in good health for his job I think, unlike the current Pope unfortunately


25 L-188 : Well he wasn't that bad off when he was first put in the position. I wonder how much faster that bullet he took is slowing him down.
26 Cfalk : About ordaining women priests, I agree that the Pope is a little too conservative on that score. As a Catholic, I have absolutely no problem with it.
27 KROC : As a Catholic, I have to say the Pope does not mean a whole lot to me. I do not believe in a person who is elected by other humans who then becomes th
28 Yyz717 : If a priest is allowed to marry, he will be distracted from his spiritual duties by his spouse, kids, the mortgage on the house, ensuring his kids ed
29 JAL777 : If a priest is allowed to marry, he will be distracted from his spiritual duties by his spouse, kids, the mortgage on the house, ensuring his kids edu
30 Alpha 1 : I agree with your statement there, Yyz717, but I take some offense to those who are belittling the man because he's a Catholic, or simply are using th
31 Mt99 : "Protestant ministers and clergy are allowed to marry, and do not seem to be distracted from their spiritual duties. I'd rather have a minister who wa
32 Cfalk : So what if priest are selfish and materialistic? They don't take vows of poverty. Yes they do. Catholic priests do anyway. Vows of Poverty, Chastity,
33 Mt99 : "What is your timeframe for "change eventually"? That what it is "eventually". The catholic church is knee deep in very ancient tradition. It is that
34 Ts-ior : I wonder how much is important the Pope for Christians ? He will die one day or another like every man on earth,and you still sacred him ? There must
35 JAL777 : Yes they do. Catholic priests do anyway. Catholic PRIESTS do not take vows of poverty. Nuns and brothers do along with a few others. At least mine did
36 KROC : There must be no intermidiate between man and God... Exactly. No man, elected by other men, can just up and act for God. I hate to break it to some pe
37 Mt99 : "There must be no intermidiate between man and God... " The pope is no intermediate. He is there to keep catholisim together, so that there wont be al
38 PROSA : I wonder how much is important the Pope for Christians ? He will die one day or another like every man on earth,and you still sacred him ? There must
39 Post contains links Cfalk : Catholic PRIESTS do not take vows of poverty. Nuns and brothers do along with a few others. At least mine didn't. I checked. You are partially correct
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