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Israel Attacks Syria (Islamic Terror Camps)  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

This just happened recently....

Israel has attacked a Islamic terror trainning camp outside of Damascus. The govt. is saying it is NOT revenge for the sucide attack earlier today but a expanded mission to wipe out terror groups.

More information soon....

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Seem like the first time since 1982 the IAF attacked targets inside Syria.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

well, if you consider Lebanon part of Syria it is. If not it's the first since 1976.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Well, www.reuters.com are my source what´s yours?


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Just when you thought Israel's image could not get any worse... Not that there's anything wrong with destroying terrorist camps.

At any rate, this should satisfy Cedarjet, who has recently expressed deep concern as to the nature of the operational activity performed by IDF/AF pilots. Surely, there is some risk involved in striking targets within 10 miles of the Syrian capital?

LY744.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Good job to the IDF IAF, hopefully they wiped out many terrorist. This is the kind of aggressive posture one needs to take to eliminate the threat. Hopefully bush won't chastise Israel again ( which is one of the big faults i find with this admin) and allow them to do what needs to be done on this global war of terror.


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Galaxy5, Israel NEEDS to get chastised over certain issues - most particularly their policies concerning the Wall and the settlements in West Bank and Gaza. Nothing justifies the Palestinians' use of terrorist tactics, but those settlements and Wall policies are akin to putting your head in the mouth of a lion or alligator - you're just begging for (more) trouble.

Charles


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Jwenting,

Israel attacked Lebanon a month ago killing civilians in the attack.

They do fly overs about 2-3 times a week but during the summer they were doing them on a daily basis.

I took photos of them....

Once last summer, 3 Israeli F-16s flew sixty feet above Beirut breaking the sound barrier shattering windows EVERYWHERE and setting off car alarms.

The damage is in the thousands because so many windows were shattered.

The sound was death defying. It was as if a bomb was dropped over the city.

People started panicking and thought the Civil War had started again.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Seem like IAF do "Wild Weasel" runs over Beirut then?
The target in Syria seem to be caves, the caves seem to have been filmed on
Irani television (or at least Israel says so?)....


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Basically Alessandro.........

Not only that, but the IAF started a forest fire in southern Lebanon a few months ago as well.

A nearby town had to be evacuated and those that couldn't be evacuated were burnt to death.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

That´s the way it goes when you live in a war zone. Same goes for living in Kiryat Shimona....


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Israel is doing what the rest of the middle eastern countries are not. The United States has put immense pressure on Syria to dismantle terrorist training camps within its borders. Not only do Hamas and Islamic Jihad have camps in Syria, Syria and Iran are the ones funding the terrorist group Hezbullah. What are they doing to clamp down on terrorism? Nothing.

And for those of you who attack Israel's every action, this attack was not on a civilian target. It was an attack on a terrorist base aimed at destroying their infrastructure.

From the Associated Press article:

Undated footage of the camp released by the Israeli military and taken from Iranian television shows a military officer conducting a tour. In one room were displayed hundreds of weapons, including grenades with Hebrew markings and other weapons apparently captured from Israel. Another scene showed a series of underground tunnels packed with arms and ammunition.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20031005/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_syria_9




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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

How about supersonic flight over Lebanon?

How do you explain that? That in itself is nothing more then high-tech terrorism.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Syria and Iran are the ones funding the terrorist group Hezbullah.

Hizbullah are not terrorists. Despite Israeli accusations, Hizbullah has never targetted civilians and since it's creation in 1982, there have been only 12 civilian casualties by Hizbullah. Not intentional, they just got caught in crossfire.

Hizbullah would fire anti-aircraft shells at Israeli warplanes flying over Lebanon, and the shell pieces would fall into Israel sometimes killing 1 or 2.

If Israel didn't do flyovers to BEGIN with, there would be NO Israeli civilian casualties from Hizbullah.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Remember that Hizbullah was created because Israel invaded in the first place. Also, what the hell is the IAF doing overflights in Lebanon for??


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Remember that Hizbullah was created because Israel invaded in the first place.

Exactly, well said. They were created after the Israeli invasion of 1982.

Also, what the hell is the IAF doing overflights in Lebanon for??

Because they like to annoy the Lebanese. They signed an agreement in July 2000 to end flyovers over Lebanon after they pulled out of southern Lebanon and guess what? They broke the agreement one month later.

As a result, Hizbullah started an extremely aggressive campaign against the Israeli military.

In October 2000, they kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers...

Here are two photos I took of IAF planes over Lebanon this past summer.

Now you ask how did I know these are IAF planes and not regular airliners flying high? Well, a few seconds before I spotted them, I heard the sonic boom:


Then about 10 seconds later I heard a sonic boom again, another one popped up:


As you can see they are extemely high. They are extremely high because Hizbullah anti-aircraft fire in the south forced them to reach higher altitudes.

That's about the only thing Hizbullah can do against IAF planes, just make them fly higher.

Regards

[Edited 2003-10-05 21:11:39]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

You can tell from the contrail that it is a one engine plane (eg. F-16A).


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

If the arab nations took some responsibility for the region instead of hiding behind their borders and earning millions in oil, revenue, them we wouldn't be in this position. Isreal, too, needs to make some changes to it's behavour but it must be very frustrated that the world critises it for defending a strip of land the size of wales against some huge hostile nations which surround it. I once heard a jew say, their are hundreds of thousands of square miles of Arab territory , in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan etc. but only a small slither for the Hebrews.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

If the arab nations took some responsibility for the region instead of hiding behind their borders and earning millions in oil, revenue, them we wouldn't be in this position.

Lebanon has no oil. Syria and Jordan have very small amounts of oil which aren't even enough to supply themselves. They don't export it.

Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan are by no means rich countries. They are poor, 3rd world countries.

Only the rich gulf nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and Iraq have large oil reserves.

but only a small slither for the Hebrews.

And that small slither not only belongs to Hebrews, but also the Palestinians which have been living in that little slither of land for thousands of years.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineTodareisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

"The Wall"


It's a security system aimed at preventing further horrors as the one of yesterday. And I hope you agree that everything should be done in order to attain this goal.


And btw, you don't need to use the word the Palestinian propagandists have selected...



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

I do not.

And btw, you don't need to use the word the Isreali propagandists have selected...



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

"And that small slither not only belongs to Hebrews, but also the Palestinians which have been living in that little slither of land for thousands of years."

There have been Jews in that area for thousands of years too. In recent history, before the 1940s Jew bought a great deal of land from Arab land owners in what was a sparsely populated country until thousands on "Palestinians" suddenly appeared in the 50s and 60s, who were moved in from (Trans) Jordan. Besides the land on which the Muslim mosque on the dome on the rock was built was bought and paid for by King David in 500bc, I wasn't aware that his desendabts sold it to Saladin in the middle ages. Even the Romans recognised the right of the tribes of Israel. The Israelis are far from being blameless, but please don't go down the propaganda line of the Arabs have more right to the land than they do. Abraham was from modern day Iraq, Hebrews and Arabs are closely related. During the British mandate, the UK gave Jordan to the Arabs and Israel to the Jews. On the declaration of independence, the Arab nations invaded Israel. Can you blame them for being sensitive. They just lost 8 million of their family in 1945, then in 1948 their cousins in the middle east wanted to wipe them out and "drive them into the sea". (Check your history books)


"Lebanon has no oil. Syria and Jordan have very small amounts of oil which aren't even enough to supply themselves. They don't export it.

Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan are by no means rich countries. They are poor, 3rd world countries."

Fair enough, but show me where they have condemned the killing of tourist and children by cowardly suicide bombers!



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

BA,

If Hezbollah was not at terrorist organization, why do they posess and use weapons such as anti-aircraft guns and missiles? That is the Lebanese Army's job. Nobody else. You say they attack military targets in Israel. Are Israeli villages military targets? That's who they're dropping mortars on.

I'm not saying that Israel doesn't do some unjustifiable things, but as long as you, your countrymen and other Arabs refuse to concede that terrorist tactics are worse than anything the Israelis have ever done, and start to reel them in yourselves, Palestine will never be independant, and Western countries will be forced, however reluctantly, to look the other way when Israel goes after terrorists themselves. It is you and those who think like you that legitimize Israeli hard-line tactics.

Charles


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

There have been Jews in that area for thousands of years too. In recent history, before the 1940s Jew bought a great deal of land from Arab land owners in what was a sparsely populated country until thousands on "Palestinians" suddenly appeared in the 50s and 60s, who were moved in from (Trans) Jordan. Besides the land on which the Muslim mosque on the dome on the rock was built was bought and paid for by King David in 500bc, I wasn't aware that his desendabts sold it to Saladin in the middle ages. Even the Romans recognised the right of the tribes of Israel. The Israelis are far from being blameless, but please don't go down the propaganda line of the Arabs have more right to the land than they do. Abraham was from modern day Iraq, Hebrews and Arabs are closely related. During the British mandate, the UK gave Jordan to the Arabs and Israel to the Jews. On the declaration of independence, the Arab nations invaded Israel. Can you blame them for being sensitive. They just lost 8 million of their family in 1945, then in 1948 their cousins in the middle east wanted to wipe them out and "drive them into the sea". (Check your history books)

You're mistaken. The first people to found the land were the Canaanites who came from the Gulf. Then the descendants of the Canaanites, the Philistines ruled the land.

When Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, they went into Palestine and were warmly accepted. They stayed for 72 years then most left and went to other parts of the world. Those that stayed are what you would call Arab Jews who are anti-zionists.

As for the thousands of Palestinians coming in to Palestine from transjordan in the 50's and 60's, that's not true at all.

I am of Palestinian descent and my family came from Haifa and Acre. We trace our routes back thousands of years to the original Canaanites.

Not to mention after the Israeli state was created in 1948, Palestinians were not allowed to go back to there lands. Those that left couldn't go back and that rule still exists today.

I cannot go back to my homeland.

Jews have always been in Palestine. It was just that though, they lived in what they called Palestine under Palestinian rule.

According to a census conducted by the Ottoman Empire, the Jewish population in Palestine was just 4%. They've always been there since Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, but they've always been a minority.

Tell me, how is it fair that 4% of a people took over the entire land leaving the Palestinians with nothing? How do you think my family ended up in Lebanon?



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Well put Charles. I could not have said it better.

25 BA : If Hezbollah was not at terrorist organization, why do they posess and use weapons such as anti-aircraft guns and missiles? They don't have missiles.
26 Post contains images LY744 : BA: "Hizbullah has never targetted civilians" What the hell do you call firing artillery rockets ("Katyushas") at Kyriat Shmona?! The nature (accuracy
27 BA : What the hell do you call firing artillery rockets ("Katyushas") at Kyriat Shmona?! The nature (accuracy) of the weapon means it can only be used agai
28 Post contains images BA : This about all the Lebanese Army can do: Drive around in armored personal carriers next to the border.
29 Todareisinger : We trace our routes back thousands of years to the original Canaanites. Oh really? GREAT! There's no limit to imagination...or rather, to indoctrinati
30 Cfalk : So tell me, patriots that fight against occupation are terrorists? If they intentionally blow up women and children in buses and restaurants, Yes. Whe
31 Todareisinger : Yes, they fired at IDF positions in Shmona Sure...the shopping mall they bombed a few months ago was an IDF position...and the 16 year old teen who wa
32 LY744 : "It's called shrapnel. A piece of shrapnel 1cm thick can kill you" Dear BA, that piece of shrapnel first has to somehow get to Kiryat Shmona. Seeing a
33 BA : Until September 1993 there had NEVER been ANY kind of "Palestinian rule" anywhere on the surface of earth... You really don't know history, or just a
34 BA : Cfalk, If they intentionally blow up women and children in buses and restaurants, Yes. Hizbullah have never entered Israel! They are a Lebanese based
35 BA : Charles, I'm not sure if you're trying to intenionally bring in Hamas into this topic to try to stir things up, or if you were just confused? Please e
36 BA : Dear BA, that piece of shrapnel first has to somehow get to Kiryat Shmona. Seeing as surface-to-surface artillery rockets were having trouble doing th
37 Tbar220 : Hizbullah are not terrorists. Despite Israeli accusations, Hizbullah has never targetted civilians and since it's creation in 1982, there have been on
38 BA : "Yes, they fired at IDF positions in Shmona after Israel resumed flyovers." The only way you could hit small structures like that with a Katyusha is i
39 David b. : It's so easy to spread pure and simple lies again and again The same can be said about yourself. Time and time over again. Yes, like a MiG-21, Su-20/2
40 Alessandro : Funny statement BA, yes, when IAF pulled out of the security zone in South Lebanon, the Palestinian groups promised not to attack Israel along the bor
41 Post contains images LY744 : "They'd fire katyusha's against IDF forces and 3 or 4 times..." Look, firing Katyushas at a military outpost is rather stupid. First, you're probably
42 Post contains images LY744 : "IAF does not have Migs" Syria sure does though. LY744.
43 Tbar220 : BA, Read my last post, and then explain to me your statement saying that Hizbullah has never attacked civilians.
44 Post contains links BA : On July 18, 1994, Hizbullah terrorists carried out an attack against the Israeli-Argentine Mutual Association in Buenos Aires in Argentina, killing 10
45 NoUFO : No perpetrators but lots of victims on both sides. That's the problem.
46 Delta-flyer : Remember that Hizbullah was created because Israel invaded in the first place I remember -- but I also remember why Israel invaded south Lebanon in th
47 David b. : They invaded to get rid of the PLO but it backfired. Now they have an another group to deal with. If it wasn't for them Israel would never had left.
48 David b. : Remember what the "butcher of Beirut did to thousands of people in Lebanon? I remember-do you?
49 Tbar220 : BA, It's easy for you to just deny facts by saying that "it hasn't been proven". Until then, I just showed you that Hizbullah targets civilians. Your
50 Post contains links BA : Tbar220, Until then, I just showed you that Hizbullah targets civilians. Ummm...no. You just showed me ACCUSATIONS that Hizbullah targets civilians. T
51 Post contains links BA : Tbar220, Here is regarding the attacks in Argentina: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030725-041159-5141r.htm A widely held belief that the a
52 Tbar220 : Well it appears we have a disagreement here. I believe Hizbullah was behind these attacks, and you dont. I can find plenty or articles supporting my p
53 Gc : "Tell me, how is it fair that 4% of a people took over the entire land leaving the Palestinians with nothing? How do you think my family ended up in L
54 L-188 : The sad part about lebanon was that it was a happening place 40 years ago. I understand it is recovering from the 1980's but still, I think I would be
55 Avi : BA: Hizbullah have never entered Israel! False. On Mar 12th 2002 2 Hizbullah terrorists entered Israel and opened fire from an ambush on passing cars
56 Todareisinger : Until September 1993 there had NEVER been ANY kind of "Palestinian rule" anywhere on the surface of earth... - You really don't know history, or just
57 Post contains links Delta-flyer : Remember what the "butcher of Beirut did to thousands of people in Lebanon? I remember-do you? I certainly do ... But it was the Christains that kille
58 Haveric : GC -- you make the most cogent argument i've seen on this website in a long, long time -- well done.... On whether Hezbollah attacked Israelis, BA won
59 Delta-flyer : Sharon helped them. I don't think so. He just didn't stop them, when he could have.
60 Mirrodie : HEre is what I will never understand about war: At what point do you stop and say, "OK, this isn't working out." I'm no beatnic peacelover, but my goo
61 Zrb2 : While some of you folks continue to bicker amongst yourselves....I think all terrorist training camps should be destroyed, period. I don't care if the
62 Marco : Zrb2, Just to clarify things, I agree with what you just posted.
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