Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2 Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
My across-the-street neighbors are in the process of having the siding on their house replaced. Yesterday, I arrived home and saw a firetruck, ambulance, and a police car in front of their house. One of the workers was lying on the ground and being tended to. Apparently they had set up some pretty crude scaffolding (two ladders and a wooden board) and it had collapsed while he was working on it. It turns out that he broke his elbow and cut his finger badly, but no neck or back injuries thankfully. Anyway, the first thing I thought about was that I hoped that all things considered, he was not in bad shape and would be fine in time. It was really scary. The second thing though that I thought about was what was to become of him. He was from Brazil and spoke no English. I don't mean to sound like I think that all Latin American immigrants in the United States are illegal immigrants, but there certainly is a sizeable population of illegal immigrants from Latin America. I immediately became concerned that if he was an illegal immigrant, seeking this health care would end in his deportation. What happens in a case like this in which an illegal immigrant needs emergency help? Do they get deported or is their status ignored?
Personal beliefs on what should happen are pretty much based purely on values when it comes to this. There aren't really any numbers or other information to back up a belief. Personally, it really worried me. As human beings, I think to essentially deny that man health care would be inhuman. I know that he would not be denied health care in the sense that that sounds like, but if he is afraid of being deported, he might not seek the emergency help he needs and is thus being detered from getting his care he needs. I know one can argue that he shouldn't be here in the first place if he is illegal. I stand at middle ground on the issue of illegal immigration. If the government wants to crack down on it in other areas, then I feel that they have the right to, whether or not I agree, but not in medical care. Maybe that man's employer instead of the US government needs to pay for his care, but I don't feel that it would be right to deport the man after treating him.
What are your thoughts on that? Please keep it civilized. There isn't any point in having a flame war because this is just values and you are not going to change someone's mind. If one starts, then so be it, but try to contain yourselves.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
If his status is determined to be illegal during the provision of the care, then he should absolutely be deported as soon as he is physically able to travel.
Stabilising care is a human right and as humans, even illegal immigrants are entitled to have their lives saved by receiving emergency treatment. However, that does not give them the right to remain in any country.
Illegals should be deported as soon as their status becomes determined, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the discovery of their status.
174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
I am an emergency worker...And here's our rule.
We give the best treatment to the patient no matter who they are or what they did...We have to take care of a bank robber who just got shot in the leg by the police or "Jose Doe" who came from Mexico and who got hurt because his temp job wasn't a safe environment and he cut off his hand.
However, after he is allright, he has to pay off his debt to the hospital (or the american tax payers) and he need to get shipped back home. There is no reason why he couldn't apply for citizenship and pay taxes here...
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6386 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
The only hospital in Arizona with a burn unit is near shutdown because they are under federal mandate to treat illegal entrants. Several others statewide are also hurting, or gone.
Do not misunderstand me, an injured person deserves all the best care available regardelss of status. As 174th wrote, the health care worker is required by nature to do so. (I hope the paraphrasing is apt)
My concern is that the federal government, charged with full comliance on immigration, refuses to pay a cent while local hospitals go broke.
On that rant, I'll add this. Why the hell are the pols in Washington so intent on allowing only the rich from south of the border while the most productive to our society are forced to cross the desert at night? I could not count the times in the past 20 years I've seen an obvious illegal crouched behind a bush hiding, yet almost dead from thirst. I've always got a few gallons of water in my truck for just such a situation and will never report them.
Disjointed rant perhaps but I feel strongly on the subject.
I am glad I was around to fly before de-regulation.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16427 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1363 times:
Providing health care for illegal immigrants only encourages MORE illegals. If they aren't paying taxes, they don't deserve ANY treatment.....fly em home to Mexico asap if they have a life threatening illness and bill the Mexican govt for the flight.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.