Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 20 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
I think it's Stephen Hawking who, dismissing time travel, once said "After all, we are not invaded by tourists coming from the future".
In other words, why only one guy and not more?
I was intrigued by this: These posts were written before 9-11, the Columbia accident and the second Gulf War. Many people believe John may have known of these events and dropped clues without actually referring to them.
Why he didn't say what he knew loud and clear? That would have established his credibility beyond any shadow of a doubt. Conversely, in not doing so, he lost all credibility.
This is obviously a hoax.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
"Why he didn't say what he knew loud and clear? That would have established his credibility beyond any shadow of a doubt. Conversely, in not doing so, he lost all credibility."
Your right, this makes a whole lotta sense. If, by chance you knew about the events of 9/11 before they happened, chances are (considereing the atmosphere of the NIMBY attitude back then) no one would believe you and therefore do nothing about it no matter how hard you scream.
And after it does happen, you'd be suspected of being the 21st hijacker since you know so much more than anyone else.
You're right it is a hoax, otherwise that guy would be in Guantanimo Bay and you in reality would have never known about it and who really cares. Yeah if I knew the future I would keep my mouth shut cuz everyone needs to learn from mistakes, as well as those they are about to make.
The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4542 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
I found the entire thing utterly fascinating, a little disturbing, something to make you truly think about the value of life, be it a hoax or not.
Personally, I don't believe in time travel, I dont believe that John Titor was really a time traveller but perhaps someone who knew alot about physics. But the fact remains that, hoax or not, the future that John said existed on his "worldline" is something that could actually happen sometime in the future. Because the future is an uncertain thing and there's infinite possiblities as to what it could be. And this was one of them. I was extremely skeptical of the idea of Russia being the agressor that launches nukes at our cities....China seems far far more believable, even if the idea of global thermonuclear war is now somewhat improbable, though always existent, and certainly possible.
Whatever the case may be, it serves as a reminder that you never know what the future holds. Best to hold your loved ones close and keep your friendships strong, life is too short, too precious, too valuable, to spend every waking moment fighting with each other and thriving on distrust, hatred and suspicion. Far better to let the ones you care about truly know you love them, you never know if the sun just might not rise for you tomorrow.
That, if anything, makes it worth reading. If only for that reminder. I have now visited every part of that site, I find it fascinating, even if it's far fetched. It wouldn't be stupid to check it out, if only for curiousity's sake. I also find it interesting that John predicted that one of the things that could help to avert a civil war in 2005....would be for "an election to proceed", which points to the recall election that recently was allowed to go forward.
In this instance, using John's own words....events in our "worldline" might be just different enough to have the future he outlined become nonexistent....just maybe, the fact that the public did get to have it's voice this time around, might actually help to avert a future john predicts.
I'll stress again, I don't believe in time travel, I dont believe in so called "predictions" of the future. What I believe in is probability. And there is a certain degree of probability that, given the right conditions, the right mood, and the right chain of events, a future like the one John described does have a percentage of probability of actually happening. But there's just as much probability that nothing like he described will happen.
Our actions now will determine what the future holds. It's important that we are aware of the potential consequences of the decions we make on a personal, local, and national level. The ramifications of those could be far more than what we expect. Repairing international and domestic relations should be our top priority on the national level...because it's of the utmost importance for us to reach out to the world....it's also important to extend the hand of friendship to the constituents who hold the power of the vote. IF any sort of future civil unrest due to the erosion of the rights given to us in the constitution is to be averted, attention must be paid to those rights NOW.
Those who give up a bit of freedom in exchange for security, deserve neither freedom nor security. Keep that in mind as you watch what the administrations in our government do today. Remember your freedom, and use the power of your vote, for the good of your future, this country's, and this world's. And extend a hand to your fellow man....sometimes friendship is all you have. That's all I have to say.
Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
I reckon it's a hoax. But the possibility of time travel is real. There are actual experiments being conducted at university of Connecticut. The only thing is you can't travel any further back in time than the day the time machine was actually built. Say it's completed Jan 1 2005, then even 50-100 years from now the farthest you'll be able to go back in time is Jan 1 2005. That's the theory anyway.
CB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
If this guy is for real and know one has heard from him since. he says he was born in 1998 which make him about 5 years old now. Shouldn't they go find this kid to see if he truly exists, maybe that can be proof that he is from the future.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4542 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1828 times:
I admit that although I don't really believe it myself....there's a chance it could happen. So I strongly urge everyone to watch the political environment very closely over the next two years....because it looks like the freedoms that are being eroded away in teh name of securty, are going to be what sparks this "civil war" in john's past. John even says there's a chance our worldline is different enough from his, that this event may never happen. Even if John is a fraud, and he probably is, it's certainly a possiblity. People are very angry right now, others just sit back and let their rights disappear.
WE have to be the ones to pay attention to our world, and never let a future like the one he describes happen. Remember, we have the power of the vote. It doesn't matter how many of us are arrested for being "unpatriotic" by perhaps protesting or speaking out against excessive security, the fact lies in that we still hold the power of the vote.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying we should go out and protest and get violent, I am not saying that whatsoever. I'm saying we should pay attention to what's going on...and if it looks like things are going too far downhill, we need to raise our voices a bit to put a stop to anything that might put this country in a future like John's. Simply being more compassionate to your friends, your neighbours, even total strangers will go a long way to making someone's day better....remember each of us has a power to to help someone else. Each of us has the capacity for love, for compassion. We need to show it. Because as long as we keep dividing amongst ourselves, how can we ever avoid a future like john predicts?
It's really time everybody cast small differences aside and repair friendships. Unity makes us strong, makes a country strong.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
The thing with all people who claim to predict the future (and ultimately, this is what this is) is that people tend to remember the things they get right and ignore those they get wrong. I think I could have a reasonable stab at this and no doubt would get some things right, particularly if I was going to be vague and generalised in response. The thing I notice with this is that he talks about the possibility of stopping some of the predictions coming true, which gives an automatic get out when it doesn't happen as he says it will.
Besides, interpretation is the key. Nostradamus is only so popular because the "predictions" can be interpreted so many ways.
I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Well, if I were serious about perpetrating a hoax like this, I'd find some actual kid around that age and use his name from the start. My point: If you find a kid that matches Titor's discription exactly, and is named John Titor, that's hardly proof of anything.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller