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Is This Black Liberal Mag Not Extremely Racist?  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Article link: http://www.blackcommentator.com/32/32_commentary.html



Some highlighted quotes from the article:

Thomas suffers from the most perverse racial paranoia. He imagines that other black people see through to his worthless (in his own mind) core, and he hates them for it.

African Americans are an audience he can't shake, the ones that say things behind his back and make fun of his mannerisms and speech, even when he fools the white people.

Clarence Thomas is a study in arrested development, what a 54-year old Black man acts like in a world in a world he feels unworthy to inhabit, blaming other victims of racism for the scourge of racism, itself.

It would never occur to Thomas that, in the end, his Black political enemies and victims have more empathy for him in his sickness than his white racist "friends" could ever claim. They don't even know him.


Just because you're black means you can't be conservative?

Let's see. We can't be happy that there are black people on the Supreme Court because they don't tow Jesse Jackson's liberal line. Thomas fools the white people into thinking he's white because...well...the black community says he don't act black. And of course, he has some serious psychological issues, I mean, come on, they let someone serve on the US Supreme Court, even though he feels like he's unworthy to live in this world?

Um...yeah....riiiiight.

If someone not black drew that cartoon of Thomas...the product would hit the fan so hard there wouldn't be a fan left. Maureen Dowd would rant and rave so hard you'd think she had rabies the way she'd be foaming at the mouth.

[Edited 2003-10-15 07:46:19]

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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Just remember, only whites, err Conservative whites, can be racist. (It must be true, Alpha1 and David B have said so.)

You should watch Whoopi's new show. You would be amazed @ the level of racism, anti-Semitism, and general hatred for many groups of people.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

A balanced, subjective view from MD "coloured" 90 and (some might say) this board's more far right member.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

You should watch Whoopi's new show. You would be amazed @ the level of racism, anti-Semitism, and general hatred for many groups of people.

Couldnt agree with you more... the blantant racism spewed by that program makes even Martin Lawrence seem like a saint. It's disgusting!  Angry


And, I agree with MD90's assessment as well


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

EXplain please. Who does Whoopi's new show have to do with this?

Just remember, only whites, err Conservative whites, can be racist. (It must be true, Alpha1 and David B have said so.)


Just like you? If Hal Turner ran the show, it would be different? no?

[Edited 2003-10-15 22:59:56]


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

A balanced, subjective view from MD "coloured" 90 and (some might say) this board's more far right member.

No, that would be B757300..........and rightfully so.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

David, that's what he meant  Laugh out loud

User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

The white heterosexual christian male is just so oppressed.  Insane

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Just because you are oppressed does not mean you can go around being a racist. I find Whoopi's new show to be in very poor taste. But then again, so is most of TV.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Why are you people (everyone that replied as well as thread poster) use mainly extreme examples to prove a point? Is it that if you did not, you would not have one?

Everyone has got to be something, generalization is key, eh?

Just look at the title again: " Is This Black Liberal Mag Not Extremely Racist?" It is already biased [to such a degree i start laughing] such that certain extreme views spark up first, and thus causing the stuff we see above. MD-90, you should be ashamed of yourself, why could not you title it properly?

Like "What is the stance of this mag, in your opinion" or something?






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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

More race baiting from MD-90.

MD-90, you start more race related threads than any other member. So who is the race baiter here?  Insane

You are lucky your 'colored' remarks have been removed.


By the way, I think the cartoon is funny and sad at the same time.



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Don't forget B757300 'fly Big grin


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

More race baiting from MD-90.

MD-90, you start more race related threads than any other member. So who is the race baiter here?


So you attack the messenger instead of the message? That cartoon is racist and offensive.

You're saying it is "funny and sad" implies tacit agreement or indifference to me. Or at best a lack of disagreement. "Funny and sad" is a woefully lacking response to a racist cartoon.









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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Just remember, only whites, err Conservative whites, can be racist. (It must be true, Alpha1 and David B have said so.)

I've never said such a thing, B757300, and it's pretty funny that you're the one who had to make up such a thing. I think ANYONE can be a racists, because everyone is taught certain prejudices of one form or another.

Way to make an ass out of yourself, once again.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Conservatism & racism go hand in hand ... That's why Thomas is not liked by Blacks ... Kind of like Born againism & racism go hand & hand.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

"Conservatism & racism go hand in hand......" They do?

I tend to lean towards conservative yet most of my buddies are of the Caucasian persuasion.

The cartoon has meaning whether you choose to see it or not.



Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Conservatism & racism go hand in hand ... That's why Thomas is not liked by Blacks ... Kind of like Born againism & racism go hand & hand.

WOOOOOOSSHHHH!!!

That is the sound of the whole world wizzing by Dc10guy and he must have slept through it.

I suggest you reexamine your whole life and your world around you before making such silly statements.

Charles


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Anyone following legal proceedings should have no trouble seeing why that cartoon is inherently poignant and just criticism, particularly from the black community's perspective.


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Aaron,

Anyone who expects Thomas to act in a certain way because he is black is guilty of racial prejudice, including the writers of the article in the first post.

Racial equality comes when the color of a man's skin is not taken into account when judging the person's actions. You can dislike Thomas's record, or you may dislike it - that's fine. But to say that he should act a certain way because he is black is racism in its purest form.

Charles


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Cfalk, I have examined my whole life ... And I've learned that conservatism is at the root of all racism ....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

So Jesse Jackson is a conservative?

What is a conservative? in my case, it means fiscal and monetary conservatism. It means "the government that governs best governs least". It means, leave me alone to live my life in peace, and I'll leave you alone. How is that directly related to racism?

Ask yourself if this thread had ever been started, or would have the Black Commentator written the article if Clarence Thomas was not black? If you say no, then racism had a role in the origin of the article and the thread. If you say yes, then I think your logic is flawed, because the whole issue appears to be that some people expect Thomas to "act black", and he is instead doing his own thing.

In my humble opinion, you and many of those who complain about conservatives are as or more guilty of racism as anyone in the far right. The same goes for the NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition, which thrive on perceptions of racism - to the extent that if racism is virtually non-existent, they will stir it up in order to maintain membership income (remember the first rule of an organization is to perpetuate itself).

The real racists today are on the left, not on the right.

Charles


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 1484 times:

The real racists today are on the left, not on the right.

ABsolute BS.

The right is the worst. The real racists today are on the right, not on the left.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

David, please support that statement.

My position is that the "classical" racist (KKK members, people who actively discriminate) are nowadays few and far between.

What you have now is the kind of racist which demands huge sums for restition for slavery from people who weren't even there. You have Jesse Jackson and other self-styled black leaders and "roll models" who have such a big chip on their shoulder it's a wonder they don't walk lop-sided. They make accusations against people who have absolutely no problem living with, working with, or working for people of any race (including me), and all that does is build resentment. And in resentment, you have the seeds of renewed prejudice, if you let it go too far.

The fact of the matter is, that Asians and other minorities have done extremely well in countries where they are in fact minorities, and where, 100 or so years ago, they were just as abused as anyone. They have proven that racism is not a real barrier in today's society - that all you need is a will to do what it takes. The natural tendency of a minority is in fact to blend in and "just do it". That is what Martin Luther King advocated - but it is people like Jackson who consistantly tell blacks that the reason they are not successful is because of oppression. That hardly is encouraging for those young blacks who want to excel. For those who don't care, it gives an incentive to not give a sh&t, and blame the result on racism. It's the perfect scapegoat.

I have known a lot of black guys in business and personally - all of whom are competant, decent people. They are the ones that have given me , practically verbatim, the arguments that I've given above. They are the ones who ignored people like Jackson and just got on with the job, ignored their friends in school who made fun of their good grades, and ignored anyone who tried to discourage them with talk of racism.

Again, I say the main source of racism today is on the left and the beneficiaries are people like Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Charles


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Absolutely correct, after all it was the "left" that was looking our for the minority voters that were not able to comprehend a voting machine in the recent California re-call. It is the left that want to set up a social safety net for the "poor" "less-educated" minorities that in effect hinders all desire to succeed on ones own merits...why work hard if the Govt. will provide? It is the left that work their ass off to make sure the "down trodden" are taken care of, rather than push them to take care of themselves.

"The right is the worst. The real racists today are on the right, not on the left."

That is laughable, I am sure there are racists on each side, but to lump the right together while not acknowledging that the left makes a career out of propping up lower classes (whites, browns, blacks...). Both sides are full of shit, to not see that is a big mistake.

But to answer the original post, yes it is racism anything in my opinion that centers around race is and it doesn't matter who does it or what color they may be.

J




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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Perhaps more racist are the statements than the cartoons. What does it really matter in the end whether Thomas is black or not? Its his decisions on Supreme Court rulings which should be a determining factor as to how good a judge he is. The cartoon and statements take it way out of proportion.


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25 Jamesag96 : Remember too how much money people like Jackson and Sharpton make playing the race card....hell look at Jackson's boys in Chicago and see how well the
26 Tbar220 : And I have to agree with MD-90's statement that if this cartoon was written by a non-black and put in any other popular magazine, it would have gotten
27 Aaron747 : cfalk, Notice I never mentioned anything about the nature in which Thomas should or should not be acting. My statement lends itself to an understandin
28 David b. : Tell that to Cflak and James. Cflak's original post is downright hilarious.
29 Jamesag96 : The ACLU tends to tow the party line, and it aint the conservative party line. I know this has been said in threads before, but if voters rights was s
30 Post contains links Jamesag96 : "the ACLU is primarily comprised of strict libertarians like myself." You need to find a new group of friends.... http://www.aclu-mass.org/legal/nambl
31 Aaron747 : The ACLU defends the Constitution on the doctrine of original meanings. Nothing partisan about that.
32 Aaron747 : Oh I see. Organizations should be held liable for the actions of their members? The allegations against NAMBLA are frivolous at best. The alleged mate
33 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Conservatism & racism go hand in hand As a completely non-racist Conservative mix-race man.... I have to say, that is about the most idiotic comment I
34 Cfalk : Aaron, The ACLU defends the Constitution on the doctrine of original meanings. I disagree. The writers of the constitution made one omission when writ
35 Aaron747 : I'm not sure I would make assumptions quite to that degree. Inscribed prominently on the south wall of the Jefferson Memorial: ...laws and institution
36 Cfalk : But just because child abuse seems to be getting more and more popular does not mean that we need to "keep pace with the times" and approve it! Charle
37 Aaron747 : Who said anything about approving of child abuse? Oh that's right - NAMBLA. So their opinion of what should/shouldn't be legal differs from yours and
38 B757300 : Conservatism & racism go hand in hand ... That's why Thomas is not liked by Blacks ... Kind of like Born againism & racism go hand & hand. This is the
39 Dc10guy : People who defuse to see the truth about racism are usually racist. i.e conservatives ..... Like Rush Limbaugh followers for example.
40 ConcordeBoy : People who defuse to see the truth about racism are usually racist. i.e conservatives ..... Like Rush Limbaugh followers for example. DC10guy, may I s
41 Aaron747 : Drop the partisan crap Dc10. Racism is alive and well on both sides of the spectrum. The sooner everyone admits it, the better.
42 Dc10guy : Sharpton, Jackson, Farrafhan, is this your experience with black people Concorde boy ??? I would say you have a limited experience with racism. Try li
43 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I would say you have a limited experience with racism Try having a liberal white father and a conservative black mother, while growing up in the deep
44 Dc10guy : Where the people that treated you and your family bad racists ?
45 Post contains images Superfly : Dc10guy: Don't waste your time arguing with ConcordeBOY. He is in the same denial camp as Yyz717 and Clarence Thomas. They will jump in the circle jer
46 Post contains images Superfly : By the way. Before hitting the ' ' button, try to analyze what I am saying and hopefully someone will learn something.
47 ConcordeBoy : Where the people that treated you and your family bad racists ? Most were, some were not, what's the point? Conservatives love to drag in Jackson, Sha
48 Superfly : ConcordeBoy: Good question! Maybe the conservative media likes to label these men as the voice of Black America. Before anyone starts, the media is NO
49 Alpha 1 : "The problem today with the Democrat party is the fact that while all parties have their 'kooks', the kooks of the Democrat party are now their mainst
50 Dc10guy : The point is ... I bet they where conservatives.
51 Post contains links MD-90 : My favorite columnist is Jay Nordlinger of the National Review. He mentioned the cartoon in one of his Impromptous. I don't go sniffing these things o
52 Cfalk : Superfly, Can you please site some sources and/or cases in which Jackson or Sharpton had Blacks go out and kill Whites? I never said that Jackson & Co
53 ConcordeBoy : Before anyone starts, the media is NOT liberal! Too late, you opened the can o' worms How on Earth can you justify such an inane statement as that???
54 Post contains images B757300 : Here's a new one from the same idiot. This one is about a conservative black woman that Bush has nominated to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. The C
55 Superfly : Cfalk: Harold Ford Jr (D-TN) Douglas Wilder Fmr. Governor of Virgina Very moderate/centrist Black elected officials.
56 Jaysit : "Admitedly, I no longer live in the U.S., but I don't recall any well-known black political figure/talking head who is either center or right." Yes, y
57 AWspicious : You know... The sooner we stop looking at everything as black or white and start seeing everything is all about money, the sooner we'll all get along.
58 Kevi747 : "The sooner we stop looking at everything as black or white and start seeing everything is all about money" I know that's right!!
59 Jamesag96 : I agree let us not look at ones color as the Conservative Right does even today. Signed, Robert Byrd Had to throw that out there. At any rate I think
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