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Does Anyone Agree With The US Drinking Age?  
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3379 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

This is a follow up to the thread about Worldwide drinking ages and I wonder if there is anyone out there who agrees that the US drinking age should remain at 21 and if u do why should it remain there? I personally believe 18 or 19 is just right


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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I totally agree with you. A person can vote, get married, join the army, and be a cop in some places but that person can't have a drink. So think of it, technically a 20 year old can't have a glass of champagne at his or her own wedding!
19 may be good to keep it out of the high schools, or maybe a gradual drinking age (You can drink in restaurants with an adult present at say, 16, so you can see drinking in a social setting, beer and wine at 18, the hard stuff at 20) I read somewhere of a study that binge drinking in colleges actually shot up after the 21 drinking age. Its absurd, all this zero tolerance stuff, and then once you are 21, you're supposed to know how to handle adult things like drinking - how is that supposed to happen?
Osmosis? Magic?



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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

The change in the drinking age from 18 to 21 was the result of well-meaning but misguided efforts from MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers).

As usual, the responsibility rests in the home and in a mature and realistic attitude toward drinking.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3379 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Csavel,

The gradual drinking age thing is used in Europe and they seem to handle alcohol just fine and same with Quebec in North America. A funny thing is that on US cruise ships they use the gradual drinking ages unless the ship is in US water for example if you go on a cruise in Alaska the drinking age is 21 for everything and a Caribbean cruise it is 18 for beer and wine and 21 for harder stuff



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3379 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

The change in the drinking age from 18 to 21 was the result of well-meaning but misguided efforts from MADD

Sccutler,

Do u have any details on this, it has caught my attention.



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

19 may be good to keep it out of the high schools

LOL - you really think that making the legal drinking age 19 will prevent High Schoolers from consuming alcohol?

I believe in gradual drinking ages. Wine/Beer/Champagne - 16/17 Hard Alcohol - 18/19.

Of course if people want something bad enough they are going to find a way to get it - regardless of age.

But if we can get young people to drink beer and wine before they move onto spirits, drinkers may become more aware of not only their limits, but what drink suits them the best.

QFF



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

I was leagally driniing at 18, of course I had to join the army and get shipped to Germany to do that.

I wouldn't recommend that for everyone.

But just like guys who volunteer to potentially take a bullet for this country should vote, They should be able to have a beer too.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

I do agree with the drinking age being 21... and for those of you who think that we should be able to drink when we're younger, because of the voting/military/smoking thing, I also think those should be resitricted to older ages!

Why?

If alcohol really is as good as people think it is, and it's that good that it's worth sneaking, then what are we telling our youth? We need to crack down on underage drinking, not just because it breaks the law, but because it's evidence of society's reluctance or inability to teach our youth how to wait for good things.

Personally, though, I never found alcohol worth it. Many of my classmates came to school drunk or hungover every morning, and I was in the "accelerated/honors" classes. What's so great about that? I won't even mention the worst thing that happened because of alcohol among my classmates, because it would be so specific as to identify one person. Suffice it so say, when I took my first drink of alcohol (on my 21st birthday) it was also my last. I just didn't like it. I also didn't like the "buzz," even though I hadn't consumed nearly enough to be legally drunk.

So forgive me if I take a hard line, there are plenty of alcoholics among family and friends, too.

If it is that great, then it should be good enough to wait.



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User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Well I think partly why we have an older drinking age as opposed to Europe is because we drive a lot more. We are more prone to drinking and driving deaths since America is such a car dependant society. When I go to Europe, most people drink at the neighborhood bar/pub and walk home, or take public transportation (another thing we dont have much of).

However, I would definetely support 19 to be the drinking age. I don't think there is much more room for maturity between those years.



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User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Call it the legacy of Ronald Reagan.
The drinking age in Alberta is 18 and we don't have any more of a drunk driving problem than anywhere else.
Although I'm not much of a drinker, I like having the choice to be able to do so legally and responsably.


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

*sigh*

once again you all are woefully uninformed, but highly opinionated.

drinking age is 21 as that is when the surgeon general determined the brain had stopped developing to the point that alchol would not impair full maturation.

There is a reason for the age, 21 is not just some number out of a hat. Please do some reaserch before posting crap like this, again.

George



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User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

If that's the case, then why does every other country in the developed world disagree?
As if alcoholism doesn't affect the brain after age 21.  Insane

[Edited 2003-10-20 08:14:47]

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

777YYC-

beats me, that's what the UNITED STATES surgeon general said.

I didn't say other countries. The question was about ours and I answered it. Bring it up with the FDA, not me, I just told you why it is what it is.

George



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User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

I always learned that the 21 year old drinking age was the brainchild of Elizabeth Dole (wife of ex Sen. Bob Dole) when she was the head of the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safet Admin.)

The drinking age is clearly a state thing. Dole's contribution is by connecting the establishment of the 21 year old drinking age to federal highway funding. This was codified in the National Highway and Surface Transportation Act of 1982. States then needed to up their drinking ages to protect their highway funding.

One interesting side note to all this--the 21 year old drinking age made photo ID fraud huge...and introduced it to criminals who weren't thinking about what they could achieve with fraudulent ID cards...and then they got the picture, if you will.

Ohio has codified in state law that if congress removes the 21 year old drinking age, the drinking age will automatically drop to 19/21. Personally, living on a college campus, I don't see the merit of the graduated drinking age...you can get drunk on anything in the right quantity.

Two other interesting notes...the drinking age in Canada used to be 21...but about 10 years before the US went to the 21 age, the provinces changed to 18/19. Also, when Ohio codified alcohol laws at the end of prohibition...the drinking age was...16.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy It probably was 16 well into the 1950's or even 60's...and it specifically said something like "no 16 year old will be served alcohol without parental permission or on the advice and counsel of a doctor."



User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

no 16 year old will be served alcohol without parental permission or on the advice and counsel of a doctor

ROTLMAO  Big thumbs up


What doctor would recommend a 16 year old to drink alcohol!  Nuts


User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

DAMM [drunks against mad mothers] needs to step in and get the drinking age back down again.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Tim


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Can it be that some US states take the dinking age more serious than others? When I was in California a two years ago, everyone asked for my ID when I bought a beer, when I was in New York this year I had to show it in only one liquor store, when I was in Boston this year everyone wanted to see my ID, strange if you ask me.

Patrick


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

The bit that gets me about the States is having to carry my bloody passport around with me to prove I am over 21 to get a beer. I am 31, and not a particularly young looking one at that.  Wow!


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

I think that there are some basic truths to be considered:

1) In all societies, youngsters will play with things they are not supposed to at their age. This includes booze and sex, among others.

2) When you start drinking, you don't know how much is enough. And unless you start at 40, you're probably not mature enough to care.

3) Binge drinking (i.e. getting sh&tfaced) is extremely common in youngsters, especially when they are drinking underage. I don't know why this is (not knowing when your next chance will be? The knowledge that you are doing something illegal drops your inhibitions even further?)

4) In the U.S., youngsters can have a car at 16. It's 18 just about everywhere else.

Drinking responsibly is something learned over time. We all started out by getting plastered every chance we got, and then figure out that we can control it, and either stop drinking at a point where you know that you will be sober by the time you have to drive home, or you have a designated driver., and still manage to have fun.

The problem in the U.S. is that kids who are just starting to drink, (and are making all the stupid mistakes we did), have keys to a car. That is a recipe for disaster.

The solution would be to make sure that, like in most of Europe, kids can learn how to drink, get themselves sh&tfaced, and start the road to maturity BEFORE they ever get their hands on a car.

So, in the U.S., either raise the driving age, or lower the drinking age (at least for beer) to below the age for driving. Maybe allowing booze at 14 is not such a good idea, but maybe a compromise can be reached. 16 for beer and wine, and 17 for the drivers' licence.

Charles


User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

RR: "DAMM [drunks against mad mothers] needs to step in and get the drinking age back down again."

I 2nd that motion! Just a long-overdue backlash against "do-gooders"...whom I've always harbored a rather intense dislike for.

If one is legally old enough to fight ( and die ) for his country...he should legally be allowed to imbibe alcohol. If he does so responsibly, great. If not, he'll also face the same legal ramifications his 21 y/o counterpart would. Case closed.

All this "it's for your own good" blatant busy-bodyism is just a benign face for the real purpose: Control.

"....Even if it saves just ONE life...." Yeah yeah yeah. Sigh.




User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

NKP S2, I couldn't agree with you more. The problem with a blanket 21, and then zero tolerance before is that you create such a desire for forbidden fruit that it becomes sort of a totemic thing, alcohol. Then you don't grow up knowing how to use and control it. It is the same thing with driving which is why a lot of states are now using graduated licenses.

BlantentEcho, I've never heard of anything like what you describe, and while chronic drinking is definitely a problem, and a 16 year-old alkie definitely has his tender teen brain fried, an 18 years having a few beers at a barbecue and fishing with dad? He's in danger of not having his brain fully develop? You say in response to 777YYC that that is what the US Surgeon General said, but wouldn't public health authorities in other countries say to themselves, "Jeez regarde la research from the CDC, Jean-Pierre, maybe we have to raise the drinking age here." What is the source for this? PubMed? CDC's W/S? Which Surgeon-general said this? How much alcohol? Is it just binge drinking and chronic drinking which is bad at any age, or any drinking? I'm not being flip, I'm truly curious.

Speaking of my hypothesis on binge drinking, I wonder if there was more binge drinking during prohibition? Any historians out there?



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User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Hey I'm 15 and drink all the time.
The "legal" age never stoped me.



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