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Matrix3 Ending Blows; Incredible Cliffhanger!  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

*augh*!

I wanted so long to know how it ends, and this movie (while good) had one of the most ridiculous/horrific/inexplanatory endings I've ever seen.

Everyone left the place thinking "um, WTF just happened?!"

Anyone else think the same?


*sigh*  Sad

[Edited 2003-11-06 00:09:27]

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Hey Concordeboy!
Still use your old mail adress?

The movie just opened here in Denmark, haven't got tickets tho!
Tell tell me tell me!!!

I think the number two was a hmm well average action movie, mind of the gap well yeah, but still nothing like the first one...How's this one?

CNN called it a videogame...

Boaz...  Big grin



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

The action was incredible... but the ending just blows donkey nuts.


As for contact... email is the same as it's always been:
ConcordeBoy@hotmail.com

or just use AOL/AIM:
ConcordeBoy81


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Didn't you hear what he director said about the trilogy, that the first was about birth, the second about life and the third will be about death? If anyone dies, whoop-dee freakin doo. How can someone expect movies to have endings like any other -- then it will be no different than any other cuz that is what we remember most: how it ended.

I can't wait to see it. I think these movies have deeper meanings that go through most people.



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

i found the second to be a very boring movie. maybe it was the fact that the woman sitting next to me stunk really really bad. i also found it to be overly drawn out and a bit hard to follow.


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Cancidas LOL Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin

Maybe...??? Ah well it had it's boring moments Smile

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Lehpron,

[character] death had nothing to do with what I'm talking about. The only way you'll really get it (if then) is by seeing it for yourself. Most likely, you'll be disappointed.


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

After seeing the third one - I gotta say that there really was no reason to have number 2. It really got us nowhere.

3 I thought, was brilliant. It answered many questions and went further and deeper into the machine world than the others.

The ending was nice - the dawn of an age of compassion brought with the holy trinity - The oracle, architect and ........another (woooo)

If you remove assumptions, look at the conversation Neo has with the architect in the second one - it will give you a clue as to who I mean.

Inevitably - the oracle, a being created to unbalance the equation of the matrix fulfills her original phrophecy - that through change, love and compassion the war will end.

However there were obvious plot holes in the ending.

Even if the war is really over - unless humans and machines unblock the sun, machines will still need to harvest humans in order to live. Thus, any understanding or compassion that neo brought about in the machine's collective consciousness would be limited to it's own self-interest.

Then again - through the Smith character, the machines probably recognised the inherent danger in total control of a sphere of existence. Thus, both humans and machines would come to recognise that both would have to make sacrifices in order to ensure that:
* The machines wouldn't keep trying to kill humans and destroy Zion; and
* There would not be the emergence of another "one" to endanger the machine world.

I loved the Oracle's line: "Change is never easy". And in a sense that summed it all up for me. Change is a process which we must all face - we must change in order to survive it is the very nature of our existence. The Architect struggled against it but he inevitably failed. Humans came to recognise the "humanity" of programmes, Smith and the Merovingian came to recognise that their ideology was inherently wrong.

In all the whole thing was about Change (wonderfully represented in reloaded by a continual process of going through a door i.e: Miroslav Holub's "The Door"), Love (as shown by the love between Trinity and Neo, and the Program child and her parents), and compassion (The realisation between humans and machines that in order to survive both must work with, not against each other).

Brilliant film.



User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

I agree completely with QANTASFOREVER.

Concordeboy, what didn't you understand? Everything was summed up beautifully. No one who left my sold out show seemed confused.



Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
User currently offlineBOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Can someone please tell me what happened to the "French Man"????? They kinda just left that thread go loose I think.

User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Talk about a spoiler, yes go ahead and put the ending in the subject line...


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1865 times:

The Frenchman is just a program. When the new Matrix was reloaded at the end, he pretty much ceased to exist like everyone else. However, if they do need to start using this new matrix, for instance, "how long can this peace last," then he will be reloaded, but most likely without recollection to the last one, since his program was terminated. But then again, his program, like the architect and the oracle, may always exist and he has been the same through the six previous matrices. I'll need to watch the second movie again to figure that out.

If you meant what happened to him after he freed Neo, that answer is probably he just realized he can't defeat them and decided to leave them all alone. Or perhaps A. Smith took over him.  Smile



Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Fred:
I saw it last night over at the Clearview Palace. A bunch of us went to see it. I hadn't seen the first two (I'm not a sci-fi guy), but my friends wanted to go. Anyway, I was into it the first two-thirds of the movie; but, the last third, I'm like "huh, what the heck is this junk?". The guys I was with were also wondering about the ending.

Next up for me is something more sedate, like "Runaway Jury" (that is, after we hit the Lakers/Hornets game tomorrow night!)

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

yes go ahead and put the ending in the subject line...

How, in your mind, is the ending in the subject heading?  Insane




Concordeboy, what didn't you understand? Everything was summed up beautifully.

You're joking, right?
  • Where was the machine taking him at the end?
  • Machines will still need power, so how can they survive if the war ends? Mass suicide?
  • How can Zion remain as is, the machines know exactly where to go next time?
  • Were the ones Smith formerly possessed still carrying remnants of him as before?
  • Why did the machines decide to help Neo... the Smith clones still provided energy?
  • I know the first chick died, but they did a pisspoor job of explaining the Oracle's change.
  • The list goes on, and on, and on....


  • User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
    Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1814 times:


    *Spoiler*, only go to this website if you are not going to see the Matrix.

    http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix



    NO URLS in signature
    User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3363 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

    How, in your mind, is the ending in the subject heading?

    To those that have not seen this movie (me included) saying that there is a CLIFFHANGER indicates that this is not the end of the series.

    Not everyone speaks English as their first language so remember that there may sometimes be confusion when something is not posted thougthfully. In my opinion, this title was not given enough thought.



    Attamottamotta!
    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

    In my opinion, this title was not given enough thought.

    The dubbing of "cliffhanger" could indicate ten thousand and one possibilities... methinks some people need to pull the stick out  Insane


    User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

    I saw it yesterday. I 'm quite confused but some how get it. I 'm still thinking about it. I'm going to give credit to the CGi work that was done on the MECH WAR...THAT WAS AWSOME!.




    Please excuse my English!
    User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3363 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

    As I said, not everyone here speaks English as their first language. Cliffhanger is generally regarded as a ending that makes people anxious to watch the next part.

    BTW the "Longman dictionary of English language and culture" (ISBN 0-582-30203-X) only gives out 2 definitions of a cliffhanger. Just short of 10001 possibilities Big grin

    [Edited 2003-11-06 20:56:53]


    Attamottamotta!
    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

    English is not my first language either, so please discontinue the soapbox preaching...

    ...as far as the possibilities, I was speaking of the plot, not definition of cliffhanger  Insane


    User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

    Where was the machine taking him at the end?

    Who knows, who cares. Maybe to bring him back to the humans?? What does that have to do with anything. Did you want them to just leave him there?


    Machines will still need power, so how can they survive if the war ends? Mass suicide?

    Well now that there is peace, they will work something out. Either side is now not trying to obliterate each other. Maybe humans can use the matrix to go on vacation anywhere! Then the machines get some power.

    How can Zion remain as is, the machines know exactly where to go next time?

    What next time?

    Were the ones Smith formerly possessed still carrying remnants of him as before?

    The guy who was taken out had Smith still in him. Smith was annilated by Neo and the Oracle. Everyone at the end was still in the matrix, so if taken out, they would be Smith-free.

    Why did the machines decide to help Neo... the Smith clones still provided energy?

    Did you not listen to what the Oracle said to Neo near the beginning??? She said Smith was his opposite and is capable of putting all life, man and machine to an end. His power was beyond that of the machines. Which is why Neo said to the talking machine at the end, "...the program Smith has exceeded you"....or something like that.

    I know the first chick died, but they did a pisspoor job of explaining the Oracle's change.

    True but whatever, you can't blame the directors for the first Oracle dying, they didn't include that in the script so had to think of something simple.

    The list goes on, and on, and on....

    BRING IT ON!


    matt




    Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
    User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

    Did anyone check out that link? What movie was that from?

    J



    Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
    User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
    Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

    I saw it today and enjoyed it very very much!  Big thumbs up

    Yes there were some confusing parts but otherwise it served its purpose and the role of the main characters and their mission was achieved at the end.
    What was interesting to me was that when Neo and Trinity punched through the EM storm and into the heavens (cruising altitude of 747s) Trinity was the only human being to ever see true sunlight and blue sky. Neo was blind.. Maybe he was able to see something thru his mind.

    The battle scenes involving the mechs were as what you guys say. BRILLIANT!! That little 18 year old kid, the one who knocked the pile of ammo.. He Rocks!!

    "Every beginning has an ending"

    At the end, it seems as now the Matrix just went back to its normal routine operation like how it was in the First part. Except the absense of Smith, Neo and violence between the two in the real world.
    And yeah I guess it was now modified a little so humans can free themselves if they wish and machines will do that and together both will recover and move on.



    Chance favors the prepared mind.
    User currently offlineHigh_flyr69 From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 510 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

    Reloaded and Revolutions was originally intended to be the one film but because it was drawn out so much they made them into 2 seperate movies, hence the ending in Reloaded sucked ass as well.


    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice Doggy' until you find the shot gun
    User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1693 times:

    What was interesting to me was that when Neo and Trinity punched through the EM storm and into the heavens (cruising altitude of 747s) Trinity was the only human being to ever see true sunlight and blue sky. Neo was blind.. Maybe he was able to see something thru his mind.

    It was a twee, kitsch metaphor. It induced almost as much nausea as the sunrise at the end.

    That little 18 year old kid, the one who knocked the pile of ammo.. He Rocks!!

    What is so good about these cookie-cooker characters? You can find just the same in other mass-produced scifi / fantasy books or films.

    Oh... and Mifune survived for just long enough to gasp "You gotta open the gate, kid, we're depending on you" like a stuck sherriff in a cheap Western.



    Cunning linguist
    25 CPH-R : Got tickets for the movie in around 2 hours, so I think I'll wait and see before judging it. Besides, I've got loads of free tickets to the local cine
    26 Post contains images Bobrayner : No.... there are some good movies out there... It's just that Sequel Syndrome is rampant these days.
    27 Sophiemaltese : my brother saw it and said it sucked. My boyfriend loved it but he's a geek about movies. I think I'll pass considering I didn't even understand the s
    28 CPH-R : Since I knew about the Birth-Life-Death thing, the ending was actually different from what I had imagined. But it does pops open another question, but
    29 MidnightMike : What a waste of money, the Matrix 2 & 3 both sucked! That had such a good product to work from, Matrix 1, can not believe that they screwed up the mo
    30 Lehpron : What the hell are you guys talking about? I loved the movie, it made perfect sense to me. If they were going to kill Trinity they have to include Neo'
    31 Post contains images Bobrayner : What the hell are you guys talking about? I loved the movie, it made perfect sense to me. If they were going to kill Trinity they have to include Neo'
    32 Johnboy : Part of the appeal for me was thinking about the whole "philosophy/mythology" aspect. To me Part 2 was so obtuse, it cost me hours of time spent on t
    33 Lehpron : "And yet, if they filmed anything written by the brothers Grimm instead of the brothers Wachowski, I bet you wouldn't watch it." I don't know either o
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