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10 Years Ago Today-The Day The "Real" Browns Died  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

All Browns fans can well remember this one. It was exactly 10 years ago since the beginning of the end of the real, true Cleveland Browns began. It was the day that Art Modell and then coach Bill Belicheck cut starting Quarterback Bernie Kosar. Kosar, raised in northeast Ohio, a National Champion at Miami, and the guy who said he wanted to play in Cleveland, was uncerimoniously dumped because of "diminishing skills". He went on to play that year with the Cowboys, subbing for an injured Troy Aikmen, and was a late-season key to the 'Boys run to a Super Bowl.

After the Browns cut Kosar, and unbeknownst to everyone at the time, it was the beginning of the end of the Browns as they were known. They were gone from Cleveland two years later, and Cleveland has never accepted the new Browns the way they did the original team.

It's a legend in Cleveland, but I'll bet sports fans in other cities can come up with similar stories of their beloved teams breaking their hearts by dumping a popular player.  Smile

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

I hate to tell you this, but Cleveland sucked back then too.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

That wasn't the point, L-188, so stop with the sidebars, OK? It wasn't a matter if they "sucked". It was the life being blown out of a franchise, and for good. Now, stay on subject?  Smile

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

I am not sure that it is possible to "blow the life" out of franchise when it is already on life support.

admittedly Kosar's sacking was a blow to everybody who was a Browns fan that I knew back then.

Wasn't there also a quarterback controversy going on, because I remember them dropping somebody else about the same time too.

Can't say for sure who, because I was hoping for a Seahawks coaching change that year.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Wow L-188, what a way to introduce a buzzkill!!

(True, yet crushing!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

I am not sure that it is possible to "blow the life" out of franchise when it is already on life support.

They certainly weren't on life support then-they made the playoffs the next season, and no one-save Art Modell, perhaps, saw the train wreck that would engulf Cleveland in October of 1995. But up until that point, Modell was not seen as the arch villan of the city that many see him as now. He hired a coach who was emminantly unpopular with both fans and media in Belicheck, had made quesitonable roser moves-like gutting the O-Line, which got Kosar killed each week, paying guys like Andre Rison to come in and do nothing. But that happens on most sports teams, and as seen as just the ups and downs.

The cutting of Kosar was seen by Cleveland fans as a betrayal of them-whether true or not, that's what the fans felt. Were Kosar's skills "diminishing" becuase of the pounding he had been taken for 3 seasons? Of course, but you don't just kick a guy like Kosar, who wanted to play here, and led them to some of their greatest years in two decades, out the door like a dog. He should have been given his release after the season.

Belicheck's arrogance over the matter back then, and Modell's bungling of HOW he got rid of Kosar was, for many fans, the last straw. They never saw Art in the same light again, and, I truly believe, that that event helped lead Modell to his decision to move to Baltimore 2 years later, because he felt he had lost the trust and support of the fans.


[Edited 2003-11-08 05:56:36]

User currently offlineBernard Shakey From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 560 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

As a lifetime Browns fan/season ticket holder I have 2 opinions on that event:

1. It was handled poorly in terms of public relations.

2. But Belichek was right, Bernie's skills were diminished. He was a Alomarian clubhouse lawyer too. Anyone at the Pittsburgh game that season (where Vinny got hurt and Bernie came in) could see the writing on the wall. They only won because Metcalf took back 2 punt returns for touchdowns.

I loved the great Bernie years as much as anyone, but he was done. Additionally, that organization was not on life support at the time.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

I remember when the Browns came down to Atlanta to play the Falcons that season. The Falcons had beaten the Kosar-QB'd Cowboys the week before. One thing that still stick in my mind were the "Bevis and Belicheck" signs the disgruntled Browns fans were carrying.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

They were gone from Cleveland two years later, and Cleveland has never accepted the new Browns the way they did the original team.

I hadn't noticed or heard this before. Granted, I'm sitting from afar. Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Cleveland had a professional football team?  Confused

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Cleveland had a professional football team?

Just a semi-pro team, KROC. We haven't made it back to the NFL yet.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

I personally like the QB who grew up in NE Ohio but had to go to Miami to be a Champion...  Big grin

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

I personally like the QB who grew up in NE Ohio but had to go to Miami to be a Champion...

Yeah, kind of irionic, isn't it?  Smile

Although we forgive him for that transgression here.

But hey, how 'bout the current Miami starting QB, KROC?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

But hey, how 'bout the current Miami starting QB, KROC?

He should have kept his ass in Gainseville as a Croc. He sucks, and I've been saying that since the 2nd game of the season. Ugh. Hopefully he transfers again after this year too ohhhhh, FSU.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Cleveland Browns? Who'd name a football team after an underwear stain?

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

And Jetguy just dumped Kerosean all over Downtown Cleveland.  Big grin

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Haha!! That was funny Jetguy. If you actually want to know how the Browns got their name, just look at the name of their first head coach, Paul Brown. They were named after him.  Smile

And I still didn't see a "public" response, KROC to my mention of the present 'Canes.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Alpha 1. Was my Bashing of Brock Berlin in post 13 not public enough?

User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

What made Bernie's cut even worse was that Vinny Testeverde, the other quarterback, was hurt at the time. So the Sunday after Bernie gets cut, they go off to Seattle, with Todd Philcox as the starting QB. Seattle had a terrible team at the time, but Todd Philcox was not an NFL quality QB, and the Browns got beat, losing 22-5. Bernie might not have been as good as he was in the 1980's, but he was a hell of a lot better than Todd Philcox. When the Cowboys won, I was happy for Bernie.

He was special. The hometown kid coming home to help lead his team.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Alpha 1. Was my Bashing of Brock Berlin in post 13 not public enough?

Damn, I missed that as surly as these Browns missed tackling Priest Holmes yesterday.  Big grin


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