Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1020 times:
Yes, it bodes well as Americans are dying daily in Iraq, Charles; it bodes well that each day, we find out more more how we were (mis)led into this war, based on faulty or stretched intelligence; it bodes well that attacks are increasing in their intensity; it bodes well that the government we set up isn't doing a damn thing.
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1010 times:
Things are really going great for the US in Iraq. Just because we have taken a few hits lately is no reason to condemn the whole operation. Only 3500 Iraqi civilians have been killed during this war. That's not too bad. The people there must love us a lot. Why do you think the "liberal media" only reports the bad news from Iraq ???
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 990 times:
Guy, 3500 people, tragic as that is, is peanuts next to what the U.S. military could have done in Iraq. They did not target civilians; they did not target major residential areas for attack; they did not seek out and level populated areas. They did not carpet bomb cities. If you look at the FACTS-and remember this is coming from someone who opposes the war-then you'll see the U.S. did everything it possibly could to avoid civilian deaths. But guess what, oh naive ones, Dc10guy, Kolobokman, and any others: CIVILIANS DIE IN WAR! THEY ALWAY HAVE, THEY ALWAYS WILL!!! Deal with it!!
Again, all the lives lost are tragic, except for two guys name Uday and Qusay, as far as I'm concerned, but get out of your cocoons and get a dose of reality-had the U.S. wanted, 350,000 would have died, not 3500. Amazing how naive some people are about the reality of war.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 985 times:
Apparently give or take estimates of body counts don't work for the rest of the world. How firm is the number of Russians the Germans killed? How firm is the number of Germans the Russians killed including civilians? Answer: not very. How many German women and children were raped and murdered by Russians on their way to Berlin? Answer that one. Estimates are a fact of life in a war because when someone gets vaporized its hard to tell if they were one or many people. The Euro-trash whinos need to accept we are fighting for ourselves finally and if they want to help like we helped them in the past they are welcome to. If they have nothing constructive to offer however they should butt the hell out.
Unlike most of the nations protesting this war our soldiers are fighting like civilized human beings. More than we can say for the past wars of the Russians, Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. BTW Its great seeing how much better the US technology is than that Russian crap we feared so much in the cold war. Looks like the old evil empire was a glass house technologically as well as ideologically.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 29 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 974 times:
Did you even bother to read the article? Your first reply is so generic in all your other posts concerning Iraq, it leads me to believe that you didn't bother reading the article. Also, a word of advice, stop typing stuff in all caps. Its very irritating, its like having somebody screaming at you when they disagree with you.
Is using insults like "euro-trash whinos" really necessary?
How can I tell that this is truly an article from 1946 magazine? Also, since its about World War II, I don't think even a remote comparison can be made to the war in Iraq now. World War II absolutely destroyed Europe, with some areas and groups of people still not having recovered to the levels they were before. The situationis much different, and I dont think canbe compared.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 967 times:
Tbar220: what does the article on WW II have to do with Iraq: NOTHING! (Oh, did I bother you using caps? Good! ) It's simply another way to try and justify a war many feal isn't justified. And I looked at the article-I don't see the relavance of it to Iraq these days. Happy now?
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 956 times:
Damn Alpha1 you really don't get it. We did not go there to kill people and break things. We went there to get rid of an asshole dictator that we really did not know what he was going to do next. We thought he might have weapons of mass destruction. He didn't but maybe future wankers will know better than to jerk off UN compliance verifiers. If he had been honest about the whole thing there never would have been a war. He wanted to play games and now his country is not his anymore.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 29 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 953 times:
Its called internet ettiquette. When you're having a discussion with somebody, an debate, even in person, you do not yell at them or scream your opinion at them. When you type all caps, its considered yelling or screaming, and that's really not condusive to a debate. Then again, you can scream all you want, but nobody will listen to you then.
You obviously haven't been around for a while, but its exactly that kind of insulting and name calling, on both sides, which got this forum nearly shut down for good. So go ahead, you can keep up the insults and name calling, but it will get you banned nice and quick.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 946 times:
It was sort of a generalization on the name calling bit.. If I lacked restraint the way Alpha1 appears to. Both in bodily functions and in discussion I might actually call specific people those names. That would constitute a personal attack which would get me banned and the forum shut down. I am not calling anyone specific those names so they are not a personal attack so they are fair game. Is there a particular reason you are defending them?
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 29 Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 937 times:
I'm not defending anybody. Rather I'm defending reasonable debate and discussion on this forum, where neither side has to be called names and/or insulted. If somebody European calls an American an insult, I will defend the American as well.
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 921 times:
Startvalve, If Saddan had been honest about the whole thing ??? He said that there was no WMD .... Dubya & co was going to invade Iraq no matter what. And they did. The people of Iraq know that. I can't blame them for being pissed off. One mans terrorist is another mans hero. I feel its going to get really bad in Iraq before it gets any better.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 920 times:
While Alpha1 isn't commenting on the articles, the articles themselves don't really comment on the war in Iraq, so there is no concrete evidence in this thread that the war in Iraq is going well. Rather, the articles are an attempted comparison to what is happening in Iraq now and what happened in post WWII Europe. My opinion is that the comparison cannot be made, as it was drastically different times, and drastically different settings.
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25 Alpha 1: I see little point in answering your questions which have been repeatedly answered on other threads. Translation: I don't have anything to come back a
26 Startvalve: Wow what a surprise.. dc10guy and Alpha1 working together again. He played games with the UN compliance verifiers plain and simple. We are now in a wa
27 Yyz717: Yyz, you're so pro-Bush that you can't even see straight. The guy is a God in your eyes. I don't say he's a bad man, but I think what he's done in Ira
28 Startvalve: Actually what that meant was I am sick of having the same tired debates over and over. Just read the other threads on this topic and insert what appli
29 Startvalve: Funny how the killings in his lap go over his head. Can't get his eyes off tearing into the Republican President.
30 Arrow: While you guys have been screaming at each other -- news broke. Check this piece out. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/11/sprj.irq.cia/index
31 Dc10guy: Startvalve, Your right I won't goose step with the republicans. If it means leaving I would leave before any of my kids had to go die for oil that's f
32 Startvalve: Looks to me like it is more of a completion goal. We do not need to be in charge for the entire rebuilding. If we put a halfway stable government in p
33 Startvalve: You mean the Kennedy that took us to the brink of nuclear war in futzing around with Cuba? Remember that bay of pigs thing, then that missile crisis?
34 Tbar220: Oswald should be sainted for assassinating the president? That's what I got out of your statement.
35 Startvalve: Don't read too much into it.. Kennedy was working on getting us all killed. He pissed off the soviets twice, they were probably getting an itchy trigg
36 Dc10guy: Too bad those service men weren't rich like Dubya. Then they wouldn't have to go to war. For the people that choose to go in the service ...God bless'
37 Startvalve: Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard. Where was Clinton? Smoking away brain cells and f&$king fat girls at Oxford. Where was Gore? Yeah Senator
38 Dc10guy: I'm sure Daddy Bush had to hold the young Dubya back form signing up for the Marines. If it wasn't for that damn national guard Dubya would have been
39 9V-SVE: Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard. You should see his record during his service...
40 Indianguy: why don't you boycott all US (or Western) products or inventions until the US leaves Iraq. IE, no internet, no car travel, no air travel, no computer
41 JetService: BTW, is Canada a state yet? Roy, we love our neighbor, how are things going with your neighbor?
42 Alpha 1: Wow what a surprise.. dc10guy and Alpha1 working together again. Please. I rarely agree with Dc10guy, if you had bothered to read any of my posts abov
43 LoneStarMike: Only 3500 Iraqi civilians have been killed during this war. That's not too badRead the article posted in reply #30. Pay attention to the last 2 paragr
44 Yyz717: What? You really have no idea now do you? Or are you getting desperate? We are discussing a specific situation here. Stick to that. I knew you had no
45 Jaysit: Bush's stint in the national guard was a joke, a disgrace, and clearly an effort by daddy-O to jump start his son's political career. The guy was AWOL
46 Startvalve: Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness may be stated exactly like that in our constitution but gee whiz if they aren't rights any human is entitled
47 Jaysit: "Then tell me that the Iraqi people are not entitled to be free from getting nerve gassed for having a slightly different religion." Yeah. Tell that t
48 Tbar220: Startvalve, I thought this discussion was about the war in Iraq, not the Cuban missile crisis and Kennedy. Stop changing the subject Hypocrite
49 Startvalve: Ok got it.. other people are allowed to bring it up but i am not allowed to touch it.. got it where did i mention the missile crisis?
50 Tbar220: I'm referring to this comment directed towards me earlier in the thread: This thread is not about Kennedy.. Quit changing the subject. So its ok for y
51 Jaysit: "So I find it encouraging that they were all wrong then, and considering that they probably have never been right in this kind of situation before, it
52 Lehpron: "I knew you would ignore the murders of American citizens in CLE every day.....that can’t am blamed on Bush I guess. " Well...we can try to blame it
53 Dc10guy: Jaysit, Right on dude. You had better get out to vote !!! Governor Dean needs us. Alpha 1, you hurt my feelings dude. I thought we where tight. I gues
54 Jaysit: "I actually considered the military as a career, the Air force said my eyes were not good enough to fly so I told them to shove it." Oooooooh !! Nasss
55 Startvalve: I cannot speak for why Rush did not join At the time I was considering career paths there was no war going on and I had options. The Air Force did not
56 777236ER: I knew you had no principles. You badmouth all US institutions more than anyone on anet.....but of course you're not willing to give up any of the cre